" * * * * * Pride?"

[Fishin Magician]

Today I saw something that really perplexed me.... I saw a car driving down the road with a huge "BROWN PRIDE" Sticker in the window....
Two weeks ago I saw a similar Jamaican style T-shirt that said "Black-Pride" on the back. It is not the fact that these people are obviously proud of their Heritage, But I guarantee that if I wore a Tee-Shirt that said "White Pride" or a sticker on my truck that said the same, I would be viewed as a racist. I dont get it. I am interested in views from others, white , black , brown, green, etc....

[Chromaflage]

I've seen a similar thing at a school. The reader board at a middle school said "__________ Family Night" (fill in the blank with whatever ethnicity you desire). The thought occurred to me, "what if I asked the school to sponsor a white family night?" I am certainly not racist, but I am for equality for ALL, including those of white Euoropean descent. And yes, I do find it ironic that if white people take pride in their own heritage that some would call that racist.

[STGRule]

Sorry guys. This subject never ends well so we are not going to start this time.

[Fishin Magician]

I just got a great perspective from my boss, who is a retired college professor. It is a great thing to be proud as we all are, as long as it isnt at the cost of another persons emotions. So I have a different view of the subject after the conversation with him. It isnt being racist if you are being proud of who you are, instead of being proud of who you aren't!!!

JB

[Fishin Magician]

Originally Posted by STGRule

Sorry guys. This subject never ends well so we are not going to start this time.

DEFINITLY NOT meant to start problems , so please keep this open and everyone keep it civil...

[CoonersShrimpboat]

Minorities just being proud

there are all kinds of pride from American to Gay





culture is a tough one to explain

[24 on/ 48 off]

I really just don't let that kind of stuff bother me. In my world, there are much bigger things to fret over.

[Chromaflage]

I know one thing...I'm proud to be human and prey on lower life forms.

[Incredible_Bulk]

What kind of vehicle was it on? Did it look "Gangy" for lack of a better word? There's a Surenos based gang known as BPT, which stands for Brown Pride Tokers, it may have been advertising their affiliation.

I agree however, if the coin was reversed... well we'd see the other side.

[FM2]

That jester dude is funny, takes one to know one

John, I know where you are coming from and that prompted a new thread, not the exact issues but relevant.

So our Focus is ready for service, we need to catch a fish and gas prices are out of control...lol...now what

[FM2]

IBE, I am a brown toker, they are Partagas, Monte Cristo, Cohiba, Romeo Y Juliet, Macanduo, Punch, H Upman and Hoyo de Monterey and other brownies in my humidor...lol

Not maybe the same but they are sure good

[Tilla]

Originally Posted by FM2

IBE, I am a brown toker, they are Partagas, Monte Cristo, Cohiba, Romeo Y Juliet, Macanduo, Punch, H Upman and Hoyo de Monterey and other brownies in my humidor...lol

Not maybe the same but they are sure good

But a good Maduro is heaven!

[wilsonriverfisher]

DFGDFDFDFDFDDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDF DFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFD
if the coin was reversed
I cant even respond to this thread on a family website so let your imagination wonder what I think about it.

mike

[Chrome Bumper]

Lion's Pride?

[Uncle ted]

at my kids middle school brown pride is a Latino gang thing. every day after school you would see a group just off school ground putting on there gang colors and shirts hats and jackets that said brown pride on them

[garyk]

Let me know when you see the Amero-Irish-Hungarian-English pride parade...I want to sponsor a float!

[Bootstrap Bill]

If you don't want to offend anyone or be seen as a racist wear a shirt that says caucasian pride.

[FM2]

[quote=But a good Maduro is heaven[/quote]

Tilla, time for fishing trip and a heavenly Maduro, my treat

Trying to keep this thread from going to :lurk:

[lor]

Originally Posted by Fishin Magician

Today I saw something that really perplexed me.... I saw a car driving down the road with a huge "BROWN PRIDE" Sticker in the window....
Two weeks ago I saw a similar Jamaican style T-shirt that said "Black-Pride" on the back. It is not the fact that these people are obviously proud of their Heritage, But I guarantee that if I wore a Tee-Shirt that said "White Pride" or a sticker on my truck that said the same, I would be viewed as a racist. I dont get it. I am interested in views from others, white , black , brown, green, etc....

Since you asked the question, let me pose one you might not have considered.
If you saw a vehicle with the confederate flag proudly displayed, would you feel as strongly about that as you do these other people groups displaying there pride. Cause I'll be honest, I doubted anyone in the groups you mentioned would display the confederate flag.

I'd be willing to bet money, it would be easier to find a confederate flag being displayed than any other which has been mentioned.

[Dave G]

It is the good ole United States of the Offended! And I will leave it at that.

[sandy77]

Originally Posted by Uncle ted

at my kids middle school brown pride is a Latino gang thing. every day after school you would see a group just off school ground putting on there gang colors and shirts hats and jackets that said brown pride on them

hmmm, that's sad. Brown/chicano pride to me means a lot of things, none of which have to do with gangs. It means being proud of my mother's heritage, and my abuelita (my gramma) and half of who I am. However, I have often thought about this issue. What if I wanted to explicitly and as openly be proud of my father's heritage? German pride? Irish Pride? Okay, maybe not French Pride.. It wouldn't be the same. Somehow, New Mexico and Iowa came together and made me, . And I've thought about ethnicity in this country a lot.

No one will say that it's wrong to celebrate your heritage, but a lot of it seems to come down to two things. Semantics and, literally, being in the minority. Semantics? Certain words (White Pride) or symbols (Confederate flag) evoke the past or current racism. Enough said, steer clear of the painful phrases, whether right or wrong. Being in the minority? There is this fear that one's cultural heritage is being "white-washed" away, mainstreamed, etc. So, it becomes important to affirm this part of yourself, which also serves to strengthen traditions (recipes, language, etc). This is mainly during holidays and special occasions, but making statements like "Brown Pride" is also a way of reclaiming something. It wasn't long ago that the terms "chicano" or "Indian" were derogatory terms, but they were deliberately reclaimed. Just being of color was shameful, and children (my mother's generation) were given Anglo names. Everyone probably knows this. It sucks that now the backlash is that the majority feels marginalized, and honestly, I don't know the answer to that. Like I said, I think about this a lot, but that doesn't mean I came up with the answers.... However, if you stuck a bumper sticker on your car that said "Hungarian Pride", that would be pretty cool. Do it!!! And BE PROUD.

[jfa686]

i have a white pride sticker on my truck...it's for my pump

[STGRule]

I'm going for "Norwegian-German-English" pride.

The United States of America are the ultimate melting pot of many proud heritages. Every single one of them have both given much and taken a little. Nobody here has a monopoly on the best or the worst that we have to offer. The only thing that really counts is that all live here as neighbors and members of a proud nation. Let us all hope and pray that we can live up to that standard.

[ampersat]

Good post, Sandy77!! I hope folks will take the time to read it, all of it, and think about it.

[Artwo]

AMERICAN PRIDE

We come in all shapes, sizes and colors.......

Be proud!

[happybrew]

Like Sandy77 I am of both Mexican and European heritage, however I disagree, with two stories to illustrate why.

1. We have a family friend whose mother is white and father is black. He was listed as "black" in the school's records. When a middle school "black pride" event was held, he was excluded on the grounds that he looked too white. His feelings were very hurt, and it was the beginning of a downward academic spiral for him which only ended when he dropped out, got his GED, and began community college.

2. While working in the restaurant industry I had a customer who for some reason didn't think we were prompt enough and said I must not like Mexicans. I replied in Spanish that my family is Mexican on my father's side. He accused me of lying because I look white. He was proud of his Mexican heritage, and didn't want that heritage to include someone who wasn't brown enough. While this didn't happen very much, it was not an uncommon occurrence where I was working, which was 50% Hispanic.

"***** pride" is used as much to exclude others as it is to express pride in one's heritage. Flying the Mexican flag? English flag? Norwegian flag? Knock yourself out. That's expressing pride in one's heritage. White, brown, black, asian pride are all vestiges of racial categorization from the 1800-1950's, and buy into a divisive mindset.

Morgan Freeman once said in an interview that the best way to end racism is to stop talking about race all the time. I agree. We should talk about character more, and race less.

happybrew

[sandy77]

Originally Posted by happybrew

Like Sandy77 I am of both Mexican and European heritage, however I disagree, with two stories to illustrate why.

1. We have a family friend whose mother is white and father is black. He was listed as "black" in the school's records. When a middle school "black pride" event was held, he was excluded on the grounds that he looked too white. His feelings were very hurt, and it was the beginning of a downward academic spiral for him which only ended when he dropped out, got his GED, and began community college.

2. While working in the restaurant industry I had a customer who for some reason didn't think we were prompt enough and said I must not like Mexicans. I replied in Spanish that my family is Mexican on my father's side. He accused me of lying because I look white. He was proud of his Mexican heritage, and didn't want that heritage to include someone who wasn't brown enough. While this didn't happen very much, it was not an uncommon occurrence where I was working, which was 50% Hispanic.

"***** pride" is used as much to exclude others as it is to express pride in one's heritage. Flying the Mexican flag? English flag? Norwegian flag? Knock yourself out. That's expressing pride in one's heritage. White, brown, black, asian pride are all vestiges of racial categorization from the 1800-1950's, and buy into a divisive mindset.

Morgan Freeman once said in an interview that the best way to end racism is to stop talking about race all the time. I agree. We should talk about character more, and race less.

happybrew

You make several good points, and I agree that making statements affirming one's ethnicity is exclusive, and by design intends not to be inclusive. However, I feel that not talking about the obvious differences amongst us is actually a form of "race evasion", a type of racism itself, according to many more informed on the subject than I. There's nothing wrong with the differences between us or our different histories. We don't have to whisper about these differences. The term "race"? I don't like it, but again, that's semantics.

While I agree that it can be divisive to affirm one's membership in any one (or more) ethnic group, it is also a way to feel like one belongs. I'm sorry that you had those experiences. I know what you mean, since like you, I do not look strongly like either side. Most of my explorations on this issue are actually about the experience that you and I have. There are STRONG and clear affiliations for any ethnicity, however, those of us that are half and half.... sometimes its like we don't belong anywhere, and I think it is this phenomenon that you speak to in your post, and I couldn't agree more. People caught in the middle can feel marginalized at times, feel guilty they aren't more fluent, etc etc. But while I have given these issues a lot of thought (and community/group involvement, and tuition), I have come to see that while bi-racial folks don't have as much of a unified voice, we are actually the majority: the real reflection of our awesome country. I don't know what to check on those stupid "race" boxes on forms, but maybe I need a "Half Breed Pride" sticker, or like Artwo says... "American Pride". Or like Sturg says, we can list em alllllll out.

That's really sad your friend had that experience in school, and it shouldn't have ever happened that way; in my experience, it's not the norm. And that sucks that people have explicitly refused to accept that you are Latino. You're right that defining ethnicity is exclusive, but it also has a positive side, even for people like myself. I cannot speak for you, but I have come to prefer being half and half. I have learned more about my mother's heritage during special occasions where we embrace those traditions, and from groups in college that accepted me without blinking, even though I am not fluent and am not as brown. I am not trying to disagree with you, just explain my take on it. Every single person has a unique relationship with ethnicity. It's what we take from it all that counts. Sure, we have to roll with the punches, but I would not want the discourse on ethnicity to ever end. Because then I would be left alone with my own thoughts and that's freaky.

[Rainbow Rafter]

I have a Rainbow Pride sticker on my car and I get alot of negative comments!!! But were ALL humans!!!

[Fatkid]

My mom was Hispanic and father is half Russian and half German. I look completely caucasian. My mother died when I was young. On my birth certificate it says she was Spanish. Since I look caucasian, I assumed she was from Spain. I recently confirmed that she is , by federal definition, Hispanic.
I grew up as a "white boy" in a largely Hispanic community, and was often a minority in most social situations. I did not like the fact that people would refer to me as "white", but they would refer to themselves as Hispanic, Mexican or African American. Why was I just refered to as a color, but others are identified by heritage.
I still see "white" or caucasian on many federal/state forms, while other people are identified by a heritage or geographical location.

When someone calls me a "white guy" it leaves out my Hispanic side, so I don't think people should be refered to by color EVER. I know a lot of brown people that come from completely different places and have a completely different culture than other brown colored people. That goes the same for white people, black people, red people, yellow people, or any color you can think of.

"Color" doesn't identify culture. To me, being proud of your color is the same as being proud of being tall or short.

How about "HUMAN PRIDE". If we all took pride in ourselves and treated ourselves with respect, I think we would all be better off. If we treated ourselves with respect it might lead to treating others with respect and maybe even treating the planet with some respect.

FATKID

[Dullhook]

The term "race"? I don't like it

You are not alone, sandy77. I would respectively like to offer a different viewpoint to this whole "race" business. The term race has well deserved negative connotations which are due to its association with the theory of Darwinism. This theory, which is not accepted by those of us with a creationist belief, lends itself to the notion that people groups have "evolved" separately and some groups are at different stages of evolution and therefore more backward than others. This carries over to skin color as well. The full title of Darwin's book is "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life". Favoured races? No wonder there's so much misunderstanding and prejudice among folks in this world.

Groups of people seem different because we come from different environments, cultures, and don't speak the same languages. We have different histories as well. We are in fact not actually of different skin colors but shades. The amount of melanin or pigment in our skin determines the shade. Lots of melanin-very dark...medium melanin-brown...less melanin-yellow...no melanin-albino. The only race of people is the human race. We were all created in God's image and are the offspring from the original two... "made in one blood all nations of men".

Realizing that I'm probably pushing the limits of the AUP rules as well as the mod's patience, I'll bow out of this thread... apologizing if any feathers were ruffled. It would be a privilege to discuss this subject by way of personal message if anyone likes.

Peace everybody, Dh.

[Lou]

Some of you might remember, when to be Irish----------------

[Fishin Magician]

There is a HUGE difference between being racist and being a BIGOT.... We are all racist, it is in our genetic DNA. Its the "Birds of a feather flock together" idea. We are all naturally more comfortable in a surrounding of "likeness" for a lack of better words. Does not mean anything is wrong with us it is a natural instinct. Being a BIGOT is however completely wrong , It isnt being proud of who you are, It is being afraid of who you are not.....and then acting out in a manner that is destructive to someone elses being. A great analogy is : If you were at a cafateria, and just got your lunch tray. All the tables were full except a table full of people wearing business suits, a table of people in grunge clothes and a table of people in country clothes. Depending on what you were wearing at the time would most likely dictate your comfort level of where you would sit if given that choice. I hope that makes sense. It did for me when a friend explained it to me. This has been a couple of days of real learning for me, I have heard many different perspectives on this subject and have taken a lot of great thoughts away from it, so thanks!!!
John

[Headhunter]

Unfortunately in addition to ethnicity, gender, orientation, religion, physical & mental abilities, all have had/have some form of oppression & discrimination.

We live in a melting pot get over it, live & let live, can't we all get along.....

[asain life]

Hummmm,. I read this thread and ask why?,...Iam from korea,..was adopted into a amiercan white family,..grew up in Estacada in the 80's,..was the only asain person in my school,.amoung loging families. went to colleage in in ocala florida,..redneck as they come,.loved it stayed thier for 6yrs became a fishing guide fished bass tournments.my good friend was white, from kentucky refreed to small bass as dinks,.he always looked at me and would laugh,and I would call him whity, (one of my best friends.) when we where out tournement fishing. I see people refree small bass on this web site as dinks, and one of the guys belong to a bass club that fishes silver lake all the time. nobody standing up on thier soap box and screaming.( good god. dont we have other things to worrie about, like salmon, and steelhead and nets,and seals. I think you have to just look past the bumper stickers and t-shirts, and billboards for what ethnic week at school it is. and see that every society, and color have wrong sayings and have done wrong. just GO FISH.look past the ignorance of a person and look into the future of what change you can make in every moment of choice, in YOUR path of life. thats how you bring change.( so next time you see me on the water give me your fish,..just kidding about that.unless you wont to.

[cooky]

People often tell me I'm the blackest white person they know. I take a lot of pride in that. I too blame Charles Darwin for all the problems of today.

[fishkisser]

Just get over it ... Everyone should be proud of their ancestry ...
No matter what color they are ... And if another group has a problem with the pride you have in your ancestors ...
Then they are the racists ...

[cooky]

I just don't get how anybody who isn't white could be unhappy... Haven't they seen Dances with Wolves or Amistad?

[TheRogue]

So, what bumper sticker does the current candidate of a certain political party have on his limo?

Why is he always referred to as "black"? Is he not of mixed heritage? In my mind, referring to someone this way, and excluding the other side of his lineage, is as bigotted and as racist as it gets......but it's politics and the news, makes for more votes and more advertising dollars.

Good discussion people, very civil.

TR

[Chromaflage]

And whatever you do, don't degrade my Irish/German heritage by calling me a Leprekraut!

[lor]

[quote=TheRogue;2064123]So, what bumper sticker does the current candidate of a certain political party have on his limo?

Refer to the 1 drop rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

[Just_learning]

[quote=lor;2064207]

Originally Posted by TheRogue

So, what bumper sticker does the current candidate of a certain political party have on his limo?

Refer to the 1 drop rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

Interesting read. Never saw that before, it was intersting, but not at all surprising.

So in essence, Black Pride is something created by White people through the One Drop Rule. It was then taken and glorified by blacks as something to be proud of. I guess you cant be all that mad. The whites got their way and the blacks got theirs. Of course unless the rule was implemented to denigrate blacks...but of course that wouldnt happen.

I guess everything worked out in the end, except for those on ifish who find it offensive.

[STGRule]

Please be careful, everybody. We are close, very close.

[Bait Bucket]

In my very long career in the Marine Corps, I only saw "Green." We all had Semper Fi on out bumpers. Anything else just didn't make sense...... Everyone bleeds red.

[Silver Hilton]

Dale Carnegie had a great thought in one of his books. It was, whenever you thought someone was just being a complete dork, think for a moment and try to understand what it is that they must believe, in order for their actions to be right and proper as they view them. The essence of this is that most people do try to be good folks, as they understand the world to be. Many of our disagreements arise from those different world views. I try to be tolerant of this difference in the world views, as mine are certainly different as well.

If anyone doesn't understand why the phrase "White Pride" is particularly invidious, please look up "Aryan Nation" and "Ku Klux Klan" on Wikipedia. It should require only a minor amount of thought to understand why that phrase has a little more emotive power than "German/Mexican/Lower Slobovian Pride". The white pride folks actively hate other races, in ways that have historical roots that are ugly. The black pride, mexican pride, Girl Scout Pride folks don't have historical roots in lynching. It would nice if we were all past that, but we're not.

Just remember what George Carlin once said, "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do."

[Silver Hilton]

Originally Posted by Bait Bucket

In my very long career in the Marine Corps, I only saw "Green." We all had Semper Fi on out bumpers. Anything else just didn't make sense...... Everyone bleeds red.

This is one of the reasons I think a required draft or other required public service would be a good thing for our country. I think division and divisiveness has increased since the end of the draft.

[Chrome Bumper]

I wish I could get a good suntan, but i would die of skin cancer if
I tried.

[GraphiteZen]

Originally Posted by Incredible_Bulk

I agree however, if the coin was reversed... well we'd see the other side.

Exactly. It's very simple: Whites have never been subject to discrimination in this country because of their "color". People of ethnic origin have been hung, shot, beaten, ***** and whipped simply because they were "of color".

The reason you don't understand is because you could never understand for you have never lived it.

[happybrew]

Originally Posted by GraphiteZen

Exactly. It's very simple: Whites have never been subject to discrimination in this country because of their "color". People of ethnic origin have been hung, shot, beaten, ***** and whipped simply because they were "of color".

The reason you don't understand is because you could never understand for you have never lived it.

Pardon me, but when you've been threatened with lawsuits because someone thinks your service was too slow and you look too white, then you've been discriminated against. In my case, by my own ethnic group, Latino. In our day and age, lynchings are passe'. People use lawyers to get at those they don't like. All ethnic and racial groups are guilty of bigotry, and all have been victims of it at some point. We need to become color blind and become character-conscious. There's nothing wrong with pride in one's background. There is a problem with targeting others because of their background, or because they are not of the same background as you. I've been targeted by other Latinos because I look too white. On the phone at work, no problem. I even had one guy say I had a Peruvian accent (he was from Peru). It was a compliment. I'm not fluent in Spanish as I didn't use it for 20 years, and I make that clear when conversing in that language, but I retained excellent pronunciation. But in person, when they see the color of my skin, I'm always too white, and I've been accused of not liking latinos when someone doesn't like something. That's racism, no matter if it was a non-white person doing it. I've also had to listen to the slurs of whites who don't know my background. Also racism, no more excusable. And I've always made it a point to let them know.

I hate racism.

happybrew

[tellingthetruth]

Graphite

Were in the world do you come up with such a radical racist remark.

wow.
People make money off of the race business, weather it is kkk,naacp, or who ever.
It is sad to say race business but there is no other way to out it.

I do not consider myself racist , because I hate the bad people of any color, white brown black yellow or even leprekrout.

I just flippied to my inet home page and found the first thing is the BET awards
Graphite Zen . How can you say the white race is not disriminated against as well as all other "races" or colors or what ever you want to call us.

[Fishin Magician]

Guys and gals....PLEASE...This isnt a debate about A -vs- B. The word discrimination is a broad stroke word that is often thrown out with little thought. This discussion was meant to stay civil. I am certain that there are lots of people who play the race card for reasons of benefitting their interests, we have all seen it. I also agree with Silver Hilton, after serving in the military you do know we all bleed red......

[byebyeducky]

I thank my parents for teaching me to "judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of his skin"

I too agree that the race issue could be resolved if people would quit talking about it. One of my biggest pet peeves is filling out an application or other form and seeing the check boxes (African-American, Latino, Asian, Caucasian, Other) or whatever the terms are??? To me, racial profiling is another form of racism. All people no matter what thier skin color deserve the same rights and oppurtunities. The differences in people come from differences in culture more than skin color. And in most every culture there are differnet skin colors.

[roadsend]

Originally Posted by GraphiteZen

Exactly. It's very simple: Whites have never been subject to discrimination in this country because of their "color"....

You might want to read up a bit on the history of folks such as the Irish and the Jews in this country, especially from about 1845 to after WWII.
What difference does it make if you are discriminated against because of color, ethnic appearance, accent or religion?
Thank God that all racial and ethnic discrimination is on the decline in this country and in a generation or two might well be a thing of the past.

[fishstik]

My mom is Welsh and my father is Hungarian, so you know what that makes me ?????

[suckerfish]

Total assimilation is the only way racism is going to go away. Assimilation takes genrations to achievie. With the influx of immigrants coming into the country, assimilation is unlikely to happen. This process has repeated it's self since the foundation of the country. And even if we curbed the race issue we would use discrimination on bases of class, religon and sexual orintation.
This is a very complicated issue with many demensions.



suckerfish

[lor]

Originally Posted by suckerfish

Total assimilation is the only way racism is going to go away. Assimilation takes genrations to achievie. With the influx of immigrants coming into the country, assimilation is unlikely to happen. This process has repeated it's self since the foundation of the country. And even if we curbed the race issue we would use discrimination on bases of class, religon and sexual orintation.
This is a very complicated issue with many demensions.
suckerfish

In addition to past practices which I agree are on the decline, one other reasons you see ***** Pride groups, is because in most cases assimilations is taken to mean, give up who you are to be more like me, and I will accept you. The notion of a melting pot, where different cultures mix and create something that is part and greater than the sum of the parts is completely dropped, its becomes my way or no other.
I disagree with the notion that immigrant groups hinder assimilation. There are many groups who come to this country and given the opportunity completely assimilate.

I agree in a few generations, this will be a NULL issue, but there are still alot of people alive today, who we all know and live with that are affected on both sides, good and bad.

To not talk about isn't necessarily an option because it ignores the obvious.
Perhaps the people in the midwest whose homes are flooded shouldn't talk about it, so the water will recede.
Yes over time the water will recede, but damage has been done which takes longer to address. This issue is very similar.

[duckboy]

Well...

I hate to "clear the air" with my opinion.

I was at one time fixing a flat tire on my mtn bike as a parade of very proud portlanders rolled by,

I was shocked by the profanities they spewed forth

by nudity

by the whole animal aspect of humanity

reckon it is good

that in a country where freedom is free (because we've fought and killed and kin have died to make it so) that i could check it out,

change my flat,

and split.

which is what i did.

I reckon it is like listneing to the radio,
If i hear someone That rubs me the wrong way

I change the channel.


Here is an idea re pride:

how about "SELF PRIDE"
we could make stickers and everything.
no body would be ticked off, and we could all be cool, proud, and stand tall in any crowd...

Self respect and self pride could do a lot for our population (regardless of its shade or intonation).

[GraphiteZen]

Perhaps I should have defined.... When I said "white" I was speaking of white Americans. You know, the type that joined the KKK and performed the acts of lynching that I spoke about...I figured logic would take care of that for me. Pointing out that a great number of whites and a good part of our past policies have been absolutely horrible to people of color does not make me a racist.

My point was that the persons in government who approved white only/colored fountains, buses, doors etc, and who took "pride" in it have never been discriminated a day of their lives and therefore would never know what it was like.

[Chrome Bumper]

Originally Posted by fishstik

My mom is Welsh and my father is Hungarian, so you know what that makes me ?????

Proud?

[tellingthetruth]

I agree with part of that,

But in order to get past the race issue, we all have got to put the "past" and actions of the "past government" aside and behind and move forward.

But putting the word logic in there kinda sparks me a little so here is another idea,

we all know the kkk (that you keep refrencing to) and there actions of the past and probably still today SUCK
But....... So did the actions of the Black Panthers, and all other race oriented social clubs, gangs or what ever label you would like to call them.
My point is white americans, black americans , brown americans, yellow americans, ect have all been a victim off and a instigator of racisim or disgrimination.

[duckboy]

Originally Posted by GraphiteZen

the persons in government who approved white only/colored fountains, buses, doors etc, and who took "pride" in it have never been discriminated a day of their lives and therefore would never know what it was like.

Reckon that is " Ethnocentrism"
that means that we believe that our culture/ as we live and work and play/ should be similar in other cultures.

I guess we have defined it now, but before about 1968 it was not considered.