For you Popeye ....

Pilar · 10-02-2002, 03:51 PM

Julie R

Box

Box open

seasquid · 10-02-2002, 04:22 PM

Cool photos -- check out the color of that water.

Hey, where is the skipper of that there vessel? Hmm....maybe sharing in some Hornitos?

ss

Uglygreen · 10-02-2002, 04:32 PM

NiCe PiCtUrEs!! - Sweet Boat!!

UG

Deepslayer · 10-02-2002, 10:17 PM

No blood!? :whazzup:

Popeye · 10-03-2002, 05:36 AM

Seasquid - You know me, Hornitos is for dockside (because I have to be able park that beast)

Deepslayer - That was the idea of posting the pictures (which Pilar had to help me with...thanks John) This box is something I designed and built in our plastic shop to eliminate the need to bring the fish onboard. The tuna are hauled directly into the trough for a quick brain spike and a poke behind both pec fins to bleed..... into the box w/ice brine....washdown hose and you're done. No blood in the cockpit! We gave it the maiden voyage last trip out, and it worked sweet. The tuna actually get pushed into the edged border of the trough which holds them very well for bleeding :grin:

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Popeye · 10-03-2002, 05:52 AM

This is the old way

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Miss B Haven · 10-03-2002, 06:09 AM

Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh.... I need a trip, or a meeting! SST looked pretty good yesterday up North. Too bad it' a wo...wo....wo...work day (man that's tough to say) :shocked: :grin:

PeterMac · 10-03-2002, 06:56 AM

Those are beautiful photos, thanks for sharing. :smile:

Hey Mel, why didn't the ocean look like that when we were out there?????

PeterMac

Miss B Haven · 10-03-2002, 08:42 AM

PeterMac - It did look like that, you were just in the wrong postion to see it. Pretty limited visibility when you're leaned face down over the rail

or head back on the settee with your eyes closed

:grin: :grin:

Popeye · 10-03-2002, 09:17 AM

Seasquid - Here's a picture of the captain w/youngest son Skip.....yea I'm the big fat ugly one! By the way THANKS for the refreshments...but I did have to share with Julie

When I get back from Kauai I'll post some pictures. Aloha
Bruce

PeterMac · 10-03-2002, 09:27 AM

OUCH!!!!! :shocked:

That really hurt, but then the truth does that sometimes.... :depressed:

PeterMac

Threemuch · 10-03-2002, 09:31 AM

Hey-
Is it cool (as in legal) to clean fish at sea in Oregon? I wanted to carc tuna on the water (to make room for more) as I frequently did in CA, but I think it's in the regs that you can't mutilate a fish at sea here.

Is that true, or can you clean tuna?
KB

Miss B Haven · 10-03-2002, 10:50 AM

The regs state that you can not mutilate a fish so that size or species can not be determined. I take that to mean that just bringing back loins could get you a ticket. Field dressed is fine, but who bothers with Tuna?
We had this debate on the first trip out and decided we could strip the loins and keep the carcasses for ID. Since we wanted them for crab bait, no big deal. Turned out with the few fish we had each trip this year, we just waited till we got back in anyway. :depressed:
I have not had the horrible problem yet of having too many Tuna on board to keep the carcesses for bait. It WILL happen next year though! :grin:

seasquid · 10-03-2002, 01:12 PM

Miss B Haven,

I have the same thought process -- I want to clean them at sea, but keep the carcases -- I know what Oregon's regs are, but the whole tuna thing seems to fall into a gray area. I just about started to clean one day, but thought otherwise --

Glad you enjoyed the refreshments, Popeye...

ss

Deepslayer · 10-03-2002, 02:44 PM

Looks like a great idea Popeye. Is the box insulated or is it just welded poly? How big is it? Is the trough part of it? You'll have to post the design on here. Definitely looks like it's worth it for the decks! How will it do with five or ten fish at a time? :shocked:
,Ed

OceanBlue · 10-03-2002, 02:58 PM

Hey all... I just checked. No gray area about the cleaning fish at sea thing. You can gut, but not fillet, even if you keep the carcasses.

Miss B Haven · 10-03-2002, 03:35 PM

I dunno Jen - The regs state almost exactly what I wrote above (The regs state that you can not mutilate a fish so that size or species can not be determined). I'm not sure that means you can't pull the meat out. If you have the head, tail and skin you should be able to identify the species and the size (all the fish guys care about is length and Tuna don't have a length restriction anyway).
What I did run across is line 15 under general regs that says you basically can't clean fish anywhere in Oregon waters! :shocked:
It used to be that you couldn't in fresh water, but it was OK in salt. This line says
"It is Unlawfull to:
15. Dispose of dead animal (fish) carcasses, or parts therof, in Oregon waters." [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

Wadda ya think? :shocked:

Popeye · 10-03-2002, 04:05 PM

Deepslayer - 5 or 10 at a time I should worry about :shocked: Actually two points...If that was to happen, they could be thrown straight into the box until it settled down,then taken care of. However, brain spiking and bled behind the pecs is pretty darn fast, they pump real fast, so one person at the trough could probably keep up with most. The design is specifically for my boat (contoured around my transom etc.) but could be modified for any boat. It's not insulated but, 1/2 inch poly pro holds the ice really well. Mine is 40x44x39 high ~80 fish

Deepslayer · 10-03-2002, 04:52 PM

Thanks Popeye. that's what it looked like. 80 fish might be enough! :shocked: :grin: :grin:
,Ed

OceanBlue · 10-04-2002, 06:39 AM

Miss B:

You ask what I think? I think I got the info straight from the ODFW. :grin:

"How do we identify the species, know how many fish were
caught, take biological samples such as otoliths to age the fish, get
lengths and average weight etc.etc. from a fillet?"

How would they know that those fillets came from those carcasses, that some carcasses weren't "released", etc.?

Better safe than sorry.

fish assassin · 10-04-2002, 07:02 AM

Hey Pillar's Mate,

Would that be considered "fillet and release"??
:whazzup:

-assAssin-

OceanBlue · 10-04-2002, 07:15 AM

Fish:

Why yes. Fillet and release is legal once the fish are landed back at port. I personally am in full support of the fillet and release program, particularly when the "release" involves crab pots. :grin:

Miss B Haven · 10-04-2002, 07:19 AM

Thanks Jen - I think I understand. It sounds like a conservative interpretation of the regs. Although we thought it would be nice on the trips this year, no one seemed to want to spend the ride back in with a Filet knife and sharp Tuna bones near there finger tips anyway.
For the most part, it's kick back and relax time on the ride in. Instead of cleaning fish, next time I'll get the vacuum cleaner, boat soap and wax out, they can clean the boat instead of the fish! :grin: (That's legal isn't it? :whazzup: ).
Any thoughts or comments on the "no cleaning fish in any Oregon waters?" That was much more shocking to me than the condition of the carcesses prior to landing! :shocked: Considering that Salmon carcasses are a major part of a rivers ecosystem I find this rather contradictory to good managment practices. [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] A crabs gotta eat too! (not to mention smolts, birds, bears, etc etc). :smile:

OceanBlue · 10-04-2002, 07:35 AM

Yeah Mel, besides the sharp objects in a bumpy boat situation, just think - your boat could wear that lovely oily finish just like the fish cleaning station floor at Depoe Bay. Mmmm... that would take a bit more than a good pressure washing to remove. :shocked:

It's not only legal to have your crew swab the decks on the way in, it is the law... isn't it???

As far as no cleaning fish on Oregon waters goes... nope. I don't know where that comes from except, again, the fish checker/OSP at the dock has nothing to measure, sample, etc.

Where the eco-system is concerned, I think there's probably enough natural death that takes care of that.

10-04-2002, 08:32 AM

I always return the carcasses back to nature. Guts and gills back to the water ASAP, the rest into the garden.

Miss B Haven · 10-04-2002, 08:37 AM

Keta - Tha's my point. Who doesn't at least bleed their fish and 90% field dress and toss GIlls/guts to the crabs in the Salt or Estuary, but the regs state (from above):

"It is Unlawfull to:
15. Dispose of dead animal (fish) carcasses, or parts therof, in Oregon waters."

I could not find any disclaimer about being is the Salt or Estuary. On the other hand I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this. (What would it be for - littering?, polution?). [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

By the way - a literal interpretation of this would be that you also have to pack your used crab bait back to the dock and send it t oa landfill - ain't that a hoot. :shocked:

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PeterMac · 10-04-2002, 08:49 AM

Hmmmm, so you can dump your toilet out there, but you can't throw out fish/crab food. :whazzup:

That makes a lot of sense....

PeterMac

10-04-2002, 08:50 AM

There are many laws that are stupid and lack common since.

Pilar · 10-04-2002, 08:52 AM

This is all about a few unscrupulous individuals hiding finclip status or type of fish by bringing filets back in a cooler. At the beach I hardly think that mother ocean would even allow you the luxury of processing your fish on the trip in. It would save you some time but in a moving boat, I'm leaving the filet knife in it's case.

We should give any opportunity to the people checking catch at the dock to sample, count, measure and weigh whatever we get from the water. After all the only thing that will make a detailed and sensible management of the resource possible is exactly that type of info.

Along those lines I wonder if we Salty dogs should maybe collect info on the HMS (highly migratory species) fish we got this past summer and pass it on the biologists involved in managing that area.

What do you think?

10-04-2002, 09:10 AM

I think I saw Bill!

Sensei-san · 10-04-2002, 09:30 AM

Keta, must be hard to keep moving the house with the moon on the door around the garden. Other than the head, guts and bones most everything else on a fish gets eaten at my house.

Actually in all seriousness, the issue of fileting at sea is a problem. In California they allow fileting if there is a one inch skin patch or larger so that the species can be identified. In Oregon they want to actually see and weigh the fish on a charter boat. I have seen them do this back at the dock when I have been on charters.

I have also seen OSP and sheriffs issue tickets on the river and docks for cleaning fish. In some ports they do not allow people to clean fish except at official cleaning stations.

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10-04-2002, 09:38 AM

MY OUTHOUSE IS IN THE GARDEN!!! :grin:

In Alaska you have to leave the genitals atached to the meat when you pack out an animal. A friend of mine that at the time was the Area Biologist and now is the Deputy Assistant Director of ADF&G got ticketed for this with a deer that still had it's head atached.

I do agree with Oregon law when it comes to processing your catch before you get to shore.

Sensei-san · 10-04-2002, 09:57 AM

ummmm... That could be very interesting..... surgically attaching a head to a carcass. Or to a rump section.... I wonder if that had been done that in Alaska.... maybe that is why they have that rule. Or maybe Alaska is living up to it's image. "There really are she-he deers in Alaska." An old sourdough told me an old joke about Alaska. "Two women were talking about going to Alaska to find a man. An older woman next to them heard the conversion and turn to them and said: Sweethearts... sure there are a lot of men in Alaska but the goods are kinda strange...."

For me, the California rule makes more sense, especially for tuna fishing. I would rather see a rule that allows fileting sides only. That way the species could still be identified and a rough measure of the size could still be made. It would still allow both number of fish and size to be determined and would allow the angler to conserve space and ice on the boat.

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Threemuch · 10-04-2002, 10:02 AM

I have cleand 1000s of fish at sea (in CA where it is legal), and I don't see the safety issue. If it's really rough, I won't but it's got to be pretty bad.

I clean tuna at sea, because then I need less than 400 pounds of ice, and the fish don't take up so much room. A single 120 qt cooler will do. Anyone who needs more than a boxcutter to clean tuna is doing it wrong.

I believe that any nutrients I can return to that ecosystem, I should. I MIGHT support data collection by ODFW, but they could do that with manditory catch logs as well. As far as length enforcement, they can put in minimum fillet lengths, manditory skin on, stuff like that.

KB

Sensei-san · 10-04-2002, 10:05 AM

I definitely don't want to be on an airplane with Threemuch if he can do that much damage on a tuna with a boxcutter. Personally I prefer a good Russell-Harrington myself.

Threemuch · 10-04-2002, 03:06 PM

Boxcutter is just for making the shallow cut to peel the skin. I can then lift the loins out with my hand.

I usually don't have a boxcutter on board, so I use my Dexter bait knife.

Pilar · 10-04-2002, 03:46 PM

It's a good trick Kurt. I saw Rod doing it that way on the last tuna boogie at Depoe.

8knots · 10-04-2002, 03:51 PM

The Alaska joke told to me by a female Alaskan when referring to the number of available men..........

"The odds are good, but the goods are odd."

Miss B Haven · 10-04-2002, 04:00 PM

8knots - That makes a lot more sense (and is a lot funnier) than the last time I saw the attempt. I thought it was just me being :whazzup: . Now it all makes sense grasshopper :grin: .