Last Hooorah UPDATE

[Popeye]

Well guys I was just talking to Pilar about Sat. It looks like there's a good chance that they'll have the new gear installed by Fri., however we're not sure Big Blue is going to cooperate. I've quit trusting the weather guessers so I'm still planning on going for now. Wak, Corrirod, Hook-up, please e-mail me your phone numbers so I can call you from the boat tomorrow evening. If we don't, for some reason, go Sat. we'll reschedule..... gotta get that last HOOOORAH
Bruce
UPDATE... Just got off the phone, the new gear won't be here til next week,sorry guys! let's talk later about a reschedule.

[ 09-19-2002, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Popeye ]

[corrirod]

Home: 503-626-7264

[fishwhenican]

I was looking at going Sat. for tuna if the ocean lays down or stays down. If someone would post a report of the actual conditions vs what NOAA or OCS posts that would help me make up my mind thanks

[corrirod]

fishwhenican,

You may already have this site but if not, go to the bottom right hand corner and you'll see a buoy report for Stonewall Banks. It's a good way to see the real scoop if you're going out of the Newport area. Hope that helps.

[wak'm&stak'm]

I am ready..541 265 5904

[Pilar]

Wak, is the NOAA forecast working today?

Big Ocean? High Winds? The blow is sposed to start today with 30kts for tomorrow. No joy in mudville :depressed:

[ 09-19-2002, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[wak'm&stak'm]

No wind right now...yesterday there was.

There is a big of a surf, and if it does blow...YUK... I don't have a good feeling about it.

This afternoon the truth will be known..

[Salmonator]

Coastal Waters From Cascade Head To Florence Oregon And Westward
60 Nm
Small Craft Advisory Today
N wind 15 kt...rising to 25 kt this afternoon. Wind waves 3 ft...rising to 5 ft this afternoon. NW swell 7 ft at 9 seconds.
Tonight
N wind 25 kt. Wind waves 5 ft. NW swell 7 ft at 9 seconds.
Fri
N wind 30 kt. Wind waves 5 ft. NW swell 8 ft at 9 seconds.
Fri Night
N wind subsiding to 20 kt. Wind waves 5 ft. NW swell 7 ft.
Sat
N wind 25 kt. Wind waves 5 ft. NW swell 7 ft.
Sun And Mon
N wind 25 kt. Wind waves 5 ft. NW swell 7 ft.

[Popeye]

Sorry guys...See Update above.
Bruce

[wak'm&stak'm]

Thanks just the same, and maybe it will work out later.
Bruce if they EVER get my coil in and you are over here sometime, we can take the little boat of mine and run up the river, since I heard of several caught yesterday.

Thanks agian......Rod.... you may as well let me keep your tackle box dry....since your world is in for a little shaking here pretty soon. Let me know if I should pick it up or can you send in UPS?

Later Dan

[Hook-up]

Bruce, sorry to hear about boat parts. This will however give me the extra day I needed to get stuff done around the house.
I'm with you, I would still like to have a last hoorah. Can't wait to fill the fish boxes with some more of those large torpedos.
Check your e-mail.

[corrirod]

No problem Bruce. We'll get'm another day!

As a side note, I'm hoping to get out for the November all-depth halibut season, anyone else? :tongue:

If not then, for sure on the December season! :shocked:

[Threemuch]

I think Threemuch will be down in Garibaldi tomorrow anyway. If the wind is up as predicted, we will stay in the bay and troll for salmon and crab. If the bucketheads we call the NWS is wrong...BFB better look out.

KB

[Popeye]

Well... the mechanic called yesterday and said the gear is supposed to be here Wed. morning, and if so, should have it wrapped up for the weekend. You guys still in?
Bruce

Popeye,
What is the make of the reduction gear on your boat?

[Popeye]

Keta,
It's a ZF w/two stage coupler. Cummins installs it in the Bayliner yachts... it's apparent that they know they have a problem, because they are going to replace the coupling on the starboard side also.
Bruce

It wasn't the gear box then, good.

Did they have to move the engine to replace the coupler? Is your mechanic good and if he moved the motors is he going to line them back up before you get your boat back?
Proper alignment is critical for engine, gear box and coupler life.

[Popeye]

Keta,
It "was" the port gearbox that failed...because of the engine to gear coupler. No they don't move the engine, these are 330 Cummins Diesels in a 4788 Motoryacht. The couplers are more like a torque converter, they help eliminate harmonics at certain RPM's. Diesels produce vibrations at certain RPM's, so a few years ago they started playing around with these two stage couplers to lessen the harmonics in the "working" RPM's... they just haven't perfected it yet!

[Sensei-san]

Popeye... A ZF two speed with a Cummins????? Cummins always used to knock Caterpillar about their power ratings. I know that Yanmar engines are peaky engines but Cummins??? Don't like two speed gear boxes in boats. Shifting diesel engines is for trucks not boats. Sounds to me like Bayliner undepowered their boats again and tried to makeup for it by putting in a two speed gearbox. They did that years go in the 80's gas crisis when they brought out the Explorer and original Trophies. Put the same four cylinder Volvo i/o in all the boats. In the 20' models it was enough power but in the 22' and bigger boats, they were grossly underpowered. What kind of Bayliner is this anyway?

Personally I would rather have more engine power, bigger wheels and a trolling valve than a two speed gear box. Most Cummins motors can be pumped up by the factory. The CTA and BTA engines can be beefed up with aftercoolers and injection pump mods to a lot more hp than what comes standard unless you have the highest hp rated engine.

[Sensei-san]

Popeye, Get rid of this piece of c#$%. It is not a real fishing boat. It is for the motorhome crowd. Never trust a boat built with a chopper gun. You will have nothing but trouble if you try to do anything but weekend cruises from the yacht club at Hayden Island to Jantzen Beach and back. Maybe occasionally to Newport Bay Resturant in Portland. Put it on plane for more than five minutes... Give me a break..... Or as you found out break the gearbox. IT IS GROSSLY UNDERPOWERED!!!! There is no cure for your problems other than to sell it or spend real bucks to power it correctly. 660 hp to drive 47' of boat is joke. A boat that size needs close to 1,000 hp. 800 hp at the minimum. The Cummins BTA engine is way too small. You need the CTA 450 hp engine with a single speed gearbox. Bayliner is notorious for underpowering their boats. It is the law of averages. 99% of pleasure boats are used twenty days of the year. And then most of the time the owners are so scared to plane out a boat that power means nothing. Look at what happened to Bayliners built with the Hino engines. Most of them were junked or repowered with Cummins or CATs. Trust me... From one who has owned and worked on Bayliners.

[Sensei-san]

Popeye, Having been through Bayliner's stick... I believe in one thing... CAVEAT EMPTOR... Bayliner is like buying a car. Once they get you to test drive it, they have you hooked. I feel that boats are more the other way around. If you have an idea of what you want to do with the boat then buy the boat that suits your needs. Any car will do to commute to work. Be it a mini-box or a motorhome. But to go tuna fishing, best to have a boat than can handle to punishment that the briny blue can dish out. Yeah, maybe I misunderstood you about a two stage coupler. But a real boat only has a transmission and a driveshaft. Not a U joint in the powertrain. Those are found on the road after a driveshaft falls off a semi-truck. Less complications in the drivetrain in a boat makes for less worries and problems fifty miles out to sea. Personally I feel that the two stage coupler will always be a problem. A drive shaft in a 47' boat is a long piece of metal revolving at high speeds. Any bend or distortions in it will wobble the hell out of either end. If it was directly connected to the transmission with a Drivesaver coupler it would probably only whip at the propellor end and on the cutlass bearings. Less likely to transmit the oscillations to a two stage coupler. Sounds like Bayliner was too cheap to buy a downshaft transmission and used a two stage coupler to level out the engine package. Yeah, real fishing boats like Bertram, Viking and Hatteras cost money. But spending 500K for problems and eventually lower resale value vs. buying a boat like a Riviera, Ocean or Luhrs that are designed to be real fishing boats seems a better buy. I don't mean to question your motives but I don't like Bayliners. Nice designs but poorly built and executed.

[Popeye]

A Drivesaver type coupler "IS" what I'm talking about! Nuff said....Enjoy your Bertram

[corrirod]

First,

Popeye I really appreciate the offer but unfortunately we've crossed the threshold on the baby arrival. Barring any early bursting, we've scheduled the induction for next Tuesday! I'll be cheering for you guys this weekend though!

Second,

Sensei, take it easy. It appears as though you know alot about boats but keep your personal criticism to yourself. Even if Bayliner is the worst boat ever built, and probably is, you should keep that opinion to yourself and not belittle someone else because they own one. Constructive criticism is fine but attacks and posts just to get people fired up will get you tossed off this board, as several individuals have found out recently.

I own an "underpowered" Bayliner Trophy. I hate the motor but I love the boat. I've put hundreds of hard hours of pounding on it the last 2 years and it's been great. Are there better boats out there? Of course, but they weren't in my price range. I guess I could've just stayed home the last 2 years and tried to save my money but I chose to fish instead.

[Miss B Haven]

Corrirod - I'm with you 100% on all counts (I still have my 96 Ciera Classic with a 215hp 350. It's for sale by the way.

[Threemuch]

Agreed, the boat needs not please anyone but the owner. And every boat is a compromise of some sort or another. Cost, fit & finish, ride, power, economy, everything is a give and take. No need to bash anyone about their pride and joy. Best not bash my fishy tub within earshot of me.

I have no need for those who ridicule others boats. Unless it is one of those overpriced surfboard boston whaler. We should give BW owners as hard a time as possible. (inside joke)

[Miss B Haven]

Threemuch - regarding your comment on BW:

"I have no need for those who ridicule others boats. Unless it is one of those overpriced surfboard boston whaler. We should give BW owners as hard a time as possible. (inside joke)"

I got a better idea - lets get the chainsaw out. That always looked like fun to me. Two boats for the price of one! :shocked:
BW's make great dinghy's too! :grin: :grin:

[ 09-24-2002, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Miss B Haven ]

[Sensei-san]

Folks, I am not trying to belittle Popeye. But being a retired mechanical engineer and familiar with boats, seeing the shoddy cost cutting methodology of brand B drives me crazy. It is not that it happened once with one of their lines but it is a recurring practice. By the way I don't own a Bertram. Just the unpaid related help. He is my nephew.

As for Popeye's problems. I would seriously consider pulling the boat and having a yard check the wheels, shafts and cutlass bearings. As this is a mass produced boat, the tolerances on the shafts and alignment could be off a bit and cause the drivetrain to whip. A good yard will measure the drivetrain and pull the shafts to put them on a lathe to absolutely check the trueness of the shaft. I am really curious as to the shaft size. If it is less than 2", they really cut corners. A 2" shaft in a 47' boat is the absolute minimum. We are dealing with real physical forces, not ones that we can computer guestimate on a simulation.

As for BW. They got bought out and moved to Florida years ago. No longer made in New England. Then the chief designer left and formed his own company. Like a lot of good stuff like Hershey Candies, companies and people will pay top dollar for a good name. It takes independent people to resist temptation and still produce a quality product. I guess that is why Tolly quit.

Popeye I am sorry if I stepped on your toes. But there is not excuse for mediocrity in building an expensive product. But I guess that is me. We all drive cars that have defects. Somehow I expect better. I guess it is the apprenticeship at Boeing.

[Popeye]

San,
Point taken. I own a multi-million dollar company that manufactures equipment for the semi-conductor industry. Our reputation for quality is our trademark. I totally agree that consumers should get their "money's worth" however, that seems to be a dieing trait among todays Big Business. It does really suck that we have to compromise quality for monetary value, and thanks for being kind enough to offer an appology. By the way Bertram is also owned by Brunswick.
Cheers

Brunswick destroyed Harley Davidson! There quality went to hell

Popeye,

You don't have to own a large company to be concerned with quality. I do everything like it was for me. My brother has lost money on things he built because the quality was not up to his standards, he owns an aviation weld repair station and small machine shop.

I would talk to the people that are working on your boat and make sure that the alignment is done right. I would also check to see if your shafts are too small. A small diameter shaft can deflect and cause vibration that will ruin your reduction gear and engines.

Good luck with your boat. :smile:

[ 09-24-2002, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Sensei-san]

Popeye, As for Bertram, they are owned by the Ferretti Group. They also make big motoryachts in Italy. Good and bad for Bertram. Good in that they are still making boats, bad in that they are now foreign owned. But then again most of our musical national treasures are owned by Sony-Columbia. But Bertrams built in their heyday are still prized in the Caribbean, Mexico, Hawaii and the South Pacific. A website in Austrailia sells replica Bertram parts. http://www.gameboats.com.au/

I find it interesting that a Bertram 31 that is thirty years old will be bought sight unseen and thousands of dollars spent on refurbishing it and it still looks new with a curved glass front window and sleek lines. Somehow a thirty year old Viking or Hatteras doesn't have that salty, fishy look to it.

[Popeye]

Kudos, I mispoke, Hatteras is owned by Brunswick...along with: Sea Ray, Sealine, Bayliner, Meridian, Boston Whaler and Maxum along with a host of other sub-brands.
Keta,
They are 2.5 inch shafts, and guys, this is a Warranty issue, please believe that I'll make sure that everything is done right,( I also own a large CNC machine shop) Gee... I could turn this into a commercial advertisement for our products and services [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] Nah

Popeye,
:blush: D'oh! :blush: I don't need to tell you about deflection and alighnment!

[Sensei-san]

Popeye, I still say that brand B has this boat underpowered. If you own CNC shop then you are familiar with mass loading and power. The shafts on your boat are the correct size but I still say that the boat is underpowered. A simple analogy would be like a semi carrying a heavy load downhill with a small engine. If the trucker trys to use engine braking, the governor will resist the load to a point but the mass loading will stress the weakest point in the drivetrain. That being the elastic Drivesaver coupling or the u joints in the driveshaft.

What I think is happening is that you are using the boat at the extreme end of the expected mass loading for this boat's powertrain. When you are surfing down a ten foot swell and then powering up the backside, it is putting a tremendous stress on the powertrain. The wheels and shafts have a lot of inertia that the engine is trying to resist which puts stress and force on the coupling . As the 330B's are running at peak load, there is no room for engine braking. A larger engine such as the CTA series would be able to absorb that energy.

I realize that you can do twenty knots in the boat, but likewise it only takes 32 hp to move a 2,000# car at sixty miles an hour. Various nautical books can calculate how much hp is needed to move a boat at twenty knots but the principle is the same as for a car. In big boats, size does make a difference.

[wak'm&stak'm]

GEEEZ.....okay already Sen. What do you own so we can tell you whats wrong with your crap.

Popeye, I got your email and I would love to, but I have others counting on me for Saturday. I am free maybe Sunday, and Monday for sure. I would be honored to ride in your boat.

But Saturday I have to risk my life and the others in my , electrically handicapped, underpowered, gas gulping, structurely challenged Striper.

[Pilar]

Hey Wak, me too if it is at all possible! I'm turning wrenches and fixing radios.

Dude tell us more about your 'Piece of **** boat' (ala Adam Sandler 'Ode to my car). I love it when people hammer on somebody else's stuff.

Better to be thought a fool than to open yer yap and remove all doubt.

You go Popeye. I'd love to join you and treasure the invite but I owe a few folks the ride of their lives. We'll spot the jumpers and call you in. What do you think about the SST? Warm water looks pretty far out mid coast. It's a bit closer up by Cape Lookout north.

Hey Ocean, lay down you 'unprintable' ......

[Popeye]

John,
Terrafin shows the closest 60-61 water at 80 miles west by northwest, but you know as well as I that we've caught a lot this year in 57-58. That even is 45-50 out. Lets hope the currents bring it back by the weekend. Wonder if I can re-power by the weekend? :grin:

[Pilar]

Hey Bruce go with John Deere, they are green and go like hell. 50 million farm tractors can't be wrong!! :grin: :grin:

80 miles! ouch. If we can find jumpers in 57+ maybe we can tease em up with jig heads, plastic and steelhead rods.

Lamiglas will replace a 'tuna-ed' po right? I wonder if Ambassador will replace a tuna smoked reel?

Hope you all get out and spank some tuna. I have to go salmon fishing :depressed: in Reedsport.

[Popeye]

San,
First of all.....I didn't say two speed gearbox...I said Two Stage Coupler...BIG DIFFERENCE. With the problems that I've had with this BRAND NEW $500,000.00 boat, I agree with you about Bayliner. However, I wanted a boat this size, knowing all about Bayliners going in, I just couldn't afford $800,000.00 for a higher end boat. By the way... it cruises at 20 knots, I have put 260 hours on it in a year, and I've owned big boats for many years. I also own a 40' Tolly and a 26' Bayliner. Lastly, why are you ridiculing my choice of a boat, didn't know I had to please anyone but me!

Popeye,

Not to put down your boat, but I have a low opinion of the newer Bayliners too.

A frend of mine bought a new Trophy and found out that they put in a used engine in it .

Good luck and enjoy your boat. :smile:

[OceanBlue]

John Deere?! That's crap! What you need is a CAT.


Keta, I'm so sorry to hear that you have to go salmon fishing. My heart bleeds for you! I'm shorebound this weekend... We ocean-tested the kids last weekend and found them be be "un-salted" dogs. :depressed:

Jen,
Tie the little rats to a rail and make them toughen up :grin: 10 or 12 hours of chumming will be good for them. It might even bring in some fish.

[fish assassin]

"We ocean-tested the kids last weekend and found
them be be "un-salted" dogs."

Time to throw 'em back and start fresh with a new
batch!

I started my kids fishing with me as soon as they were
out of diapers. I've had a fishing buddy (or
buddy-ette, if you prefer) for 25 years and have now
run out of kids to ruin-for-life! Guess it's time
to start on the grand-kids!! Now, if I can only pry
my eldest daughters son away from her for a fishing
weekend!!! He *loves* the boat, but momma gets nervous
about him being on the ocean without her there! From
the way she acts, you'd think I didn't have any experience
at all with taking 5 year olds out fishing with me!
(SHE started fishing with me ... out of a DORY ...
when she was 4 years old!)

-assAssin-

[OceanBlue]

Hey Assassin, maybe that's why she's scared to let hers out with you
but seriously, us mom's are sometimes irrationally protective of our young.

The kids love the boat & fishing, as long as we're on a river or in the bay. As much as I'd love for them to experience the thrills, the upside is that they no longer feel like they're missing out when John and I head out on the big blue pond while they're at their dad's for the weekend. We don't have the room to take the whole fam-bamily anyway. :depressed:

[OceanBlue]

Keta: Would that I could, but Pilar has no rail. Although I must admit that my anguish over the kids being was tempered by my amusement. My 14 year-old man-child was whining like a 2 year-old and when I told him to suck it up and be a man, he responded with an "I dunwanna" and a swift kick to my knee. I had to stifle a laugh. He swears he doesn't remember any of it.

My 11 year-old daughter took it like a champ, though. She just went to , woke up and back to sleep.

They were both fine and dandy when we hit the dock. So if I can get them to ever try it again, I think we might have a shot at getting them to figure out how to overcome it.

Jen,
Short trips across the bar on nice days. They can overcome Mal de Mare. :smile:

[ 09-25-2002, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Hook-up]

Oh man.... I am also tied up this weekend. It looks like I may be able to slide away on Monday at the earliest.
We have had some good luck in the 58-59 degree water. Once you drop below 60 degrees though it seems to help if the ocean is flat (or smooth as possible). The fish seem harder to find and stay with them, so your total count is not always the best.
I have a ton of fish traps and some iron but have not had much luck casting to jumpers (in Oregon). We have however had good luck trolling the traps and dropping them back.

[Miss B Haven]

Can somebody describe a "fish trap" for me. I haven't seen one (or if I did I didn't know it [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] ). I've got feathers and cedars etc - no feeesh traaaaps. I getting a complex from it, I feel naked :shocked: :shocked: - [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

[fish assassin]

Hey Mel,

I'll be happy to describe them to you when I see you
down at the "smoke shack" later today!

-assAssin-

[Pitch Pocket]

Check this website :

Fish Trap Lures

Hey, I'm a Chinook!!

[seasquid]

Hey Popeye,

I stopped by your boat yesterday (Wed.) afternoon and talked to a repair guy -- he said your "part" didn't come in, but he thought today --

Anyway, there is a box in your boat, that might help you forget the boat problems for a while....

take care....

ss

[Miss B Haven]

Great- just freekin' great. 80 colors and 8 sizes. That's 640 new tuna lures just to get one one each. I said I felt naked, I didn't say I was going to the Antartic and needed a full wardrobe. Somebody help me out here. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] What size and color just for a start :whazzup: By the way - I didn't notice any way to web order these. Does FMS or Englands carry them ??

[Sensei-san]

And I thought that Miss B was a dyed in the wool longfin chaser. Fish Traps, Kalins, Swim Baits, and the like have been used for years in Socal. The secret is the design of the tail. It works for longfin as well as the fisherman. Swim baits have been around a long time in the freshwater bass thing. A friend of mine's kid caught a dozen albies on on a trip just using a Fish Trap. He didn't want to get his hands messy with live bait. They are also dynamite on stripers and probably chinooks in the river if anyone would try. The popular colors seem to be silver and blue and any color that mimics the bait the fish are feeding on. I believe I saw them both at FMW and Englund's. Best buy all 640 colors in all sizes and dozens of them. You never know when you might need them. Remember.... lures catch more fishermen than fish.

[Threemuch]

I like silver chovy, purple haze, and hologram and green sardine for tuna.

For bottomfish, I like browns, red and gold colors.

I buy mine through my buddy at tomcod tackle.

http://www.tomcodtackle.com/Baits.html

I like mussel rock sardine, pedro point chovy and SF bay sardine for tuna. For bottomfish, you cannot beat the crustacean sensation.

Just send Jeff an email and tell him what you want, tell him Kurt sent you. BTW he is selling a very nice 24' Osprey for those of you in the market for a kick butt boat.

KB

[Threemuch]

Sensei-
I have tried fishtraps in the ocean for salmon, trolling and mooching, no luck. I think salmon key on things that spin.

Every other fish I know of loves them. Every bit as effective as live bait. Two drawbacks. Tough to fish deep water, since the action just doesn't seem to work with more than a 2oz head, and you can't chum with em.

I have at least 75 bodies, but I am running out of heads. No one around here seems to sell 1-2 oz triangle jigheads. I guess I will have to mail order them.

KB

[Miss B Haven]

Sensei-san - thanks. First of all, I'm a newly "hooked" Tunaholic. I've been wanting to go for 3 years but it just never worked until this season. I've only got 2 trips (and 11 feeesh) under my belt.
Second - ya I'm thinkin' I did see these at Englands. I seem to remember thinking they looked like bottom fish rubber tails.
Third - ya they do look like some bass lures I've seen in a previous freshwater life (something Shad if I remember correctly).
4th thanks for the tip, I'll just have to buy a bigger boat to hold 640 x dozens of fishtraps. I hate it when that happens :grin:
PS - I'm a reformed/recovering Bayliner owner but don't hold it against me. I've seen the light
Thansk Again

[Sensei-san]

Threemuch, Definitely Jeff's Osprey is *******' as you younger people say. It is a one hell of a boat. Would make someone a first class tuna chaser. I am sure it has lots of tuna blood infused in the hull. Him and Flipper are definitely nuts. Mortgaged the whole enchilada for an Osprey. Osprey must make those boats with lots of male pheromes injected in the resin.

I have seen the triangular heads somewhere in the great state of Orygun. Just can't remember where. Maybe Boaters World.... I've tried using the fish traps for salmon on the ocean too. Not much luck. But I keep thinking that they would work beach mooching for salmon like at Ten Mile Beach off Pt. Reyes. Must be beaches like that in Orygun. The reason why I keep trying is that the action of an Apex is similar to the Fish Trap and Apex's are deadly on Salmon.

Miss B you are headed down a dangerous path. Wait till one of your buddies says they have a ten day trip out of SD arranged for you. After that you will be dreaming of ways to duplicate the experience in your boat in Orygun. Monster live bait tanks, blast freezer hold, International reels, bent gimbel butt poles, possibly a fighting chair. Spending nights on the ocean with halogen lights. Nuh... DON"T DO IT!!!! Slamon fishing is just fine. Hey Popeye.... When is the next overnight trip????

[Miss B Haven]

Sensei-san, too late. I got that bug in Cabo a long time ago. Only difference is that the live bait usually weighs about 4 pounds! :shocked: Heck with them little chovies'. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Fishy swimin, fishy swimin, oops, fishy swimin really really fast... oops fishy movin really really really fast, but no can feel fishy's tail movin :grin: Count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven....... bang -put that reel in gear and rip some Marlin lips..... YeeeeHaaaaa
Does it get any better??

[Sensei-san]

Miss B don't write off live anchovies or herring. They work great on longfin. Plus late last season there were jumbo sardines in the live bait receivers.. Now there is candy for bluefin. I realize that most Oregon tunaholics are trollers but there is nothing like you say.... Here feeshy feeshy nibble on my swimming feeshy on the hook.....

[Miss B Haven]

I'm not writing them off. I'd love to be live baiting out there. I just think it's interesting to use a Marilin bait that's as big as some ho's I've been glad to catch. :grin:
Problem is:
a) you can't get em around here unless you jig them yourself. (Westport's a long boat ride or drive with for live bait)
b) big debate over whether you can legally use them offshore (beyond 3 miles) here in OR. The regs say NOT - right? I'm sure you saw the debate a couple weeks ago over handlines, number of rods per person etc when fishing OR for Albi's. Pretty risky/unlcear to say the least.
First trip out this year I got some (dead) Pacific Sardines from a commercial boat at the astoria pier. We didn't get a chance to chum/fish them. It was rough as a cob and we didn't see any sign of fish/bait or birds except the occasional hook up spread through the day (hooked 6 I think). The big problem was the rough water, you didn't want to stop or drift. Sideways just wasn't an option that day (bout 10 ft swell with 3 or 4 breaking chop on top by the time we called it). :shocked: