Tuna Sat, 8-10....

Mr. Fisherman · 08-09-2002, 12:53 PM

The Julie Rose III will depart for Tuna Town with Pilar aboard to carc the ocean blue and to come to the dock with stories true.
There will be a new target species with a stealthy new aproach (for the Oregon coast anyway). Look for details when they return.

If you are in the neighborhood give them a hail on 16 or 77 and good luck.

Mr. F, out....

Lepper · 08-09-2002, 03:12 PM

you going out on a bigger boat? just wandering cause that wind is suppose to be howling!

Gregotis98 · 08-09-2002, 05:21 PM

I'm thinking very seriosly about going out of Depoe Bay in the morning but am a little leary of the wind. I would like to know if anyone else is going just so I can keep my hopes up, I don't want to hear stories I want to tell them.

Lepper · 08-09-2002, 06:48 PM

I agree with you, I would love to go aswell. but that DANG WIND!
dave

Pilar · 08-11-2002, 08:00 AM

I'd have to say that the ocean was not informed of our plans. It was rough and the fishing was hard.

We got 2 hits about 50 miles out and lost both. Thanks Seasquid for the 'tuna boat' lesson. I have never used a diver on a handline before and they work well.

Also a huge thanks to Popeye for sharing his luxury cruiser with Seasquid, Pilar's Mate, Xanah and me. What a nice boat. An 'IFISH' flagship perhaps.

Very rarely do I get out in such a bad ocean. We fished anyway for only about 2 hours before the increasing wind and sea forced our return to port. The water was 61 at its highest and we got almost 55 miles out due west of Newport.

Thanks Bruce and good luck with Bayliner and warranty service. Feel free to bash them here if they do not make good on your awesome boat.

RJ · 08-11-2002, 06:15 PM

had a bad feelin John as I sat on the beach tune'n my new GPS I looked out there and said to my self, pilar your in for a ride today.glad to hear everyone is no worse for wear, last trip out wak bounced me off the cabin roof.(still smarts thinkin about it) lets pick a good day and make up for the last couple trips by making charlie pay for it.RJ

OceanBlue · 08-12-2002, 06:55 AM

BIG thanks to Popeye for welcoming us aboard the beautiful Julie Rose III. Since the 10th was likely my last opportunity for hunting tuna this season, I really appreciated the chance to get out when we otherwise wouldn't have.

Next time, Bruce, the post-ocean voyage hornitos is on me! :grin:

Pilar · 08-12-2002, 12:17 PM

Well I must admit to some wishful thinking. The new target is Swordfish and they are there to be had. The N. California Swordfish commercials have taken them off Oregon for years with Gill nets and long lines.

There is much study and head scratching going on now as we figure out how to boat one with sport tackle.

What we know so far is the general area of population distribution and some things about feeding habits.

The other fish include Marlin, Bluefin Tuna and Bigeye Tuna. They occur off the Oregon coast, though much less abundant and less easily caught than the Longfin Albacore.

My new longterm goal is to catch a billfish and land it in an Oregon Port.

OceanBlue · 08-12-2002, 12:21 PM

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Threemuch · 08-12-2002, 12:34 PM

I agree that swordfish might be your best bet.

Saltwater sportsman has an article about night fishing for swords with bait in FLA. The techniques might transfer. It amounted to fishing a bait 200-400' down with a 2 pound weight (on a release) under a baloon.

I think you might have a hard time getting a sword to hit a jig. And don't you need high 60's low 70s water temps for the stripes? You said you saw one your first trip out tho, right?

Good luck with your quest. My sights are much lower. I am just hoping the weather gods line up with a weekend so I can go get some longfins.

KB

corrirod · 08-12-2002, 01:10 PM

Hey Pilar,

I'm your guy--dumb as a brick, have boat, have pole, will travel, just point! :grin:

What's the limit?

O.K., whoever is in charge of the wind.......could we get a little break here!!!!!!!! My boat needs water!!!! [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

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OceanBlue · 08-12-2002, 01:13 PM

Corrirod, I'm with you... a little break from the wind would be nice. I've had people dancing, praying, casting spells, using charms... nothing is working!!!

As far as the limit on billfish... get this... 25 per angler per day - same as tuna. I'm told, however, that this may change.

corrirod · 08-12-2002, 01:26 PM

I took some chicken bones and rocks and shook them up and threw them on the front porch last night.

One of the rocks bounced back and hit me in the forehead, meanwhile a cat ran by and stole the bones.

Anyone know if that's a good sign? :tongue: :grin:

OceanBlue · 08-12-2002, 01:51 PM

Corrirod... I looked it up and this is what I found... Maybe you should leave chicken bones alone...

avid · 08-12-2002, 02:09 PM

Here is that article from SaltWater Sportsman about FL swordfish.

http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/sa...333631,00.html

corrirod · 08-12-2002, 02:51 PM

Oooops! :shocked:

seasquid · 08-12-2002, 04:00 PM

Hey Pilar and Mate,

Does Xanah have her legs under her yet? She didn't seem thrilled about the prospects of Mexican food Saturday night....

By the way Salty Dogs, Pilar's daughter is pretty attractive, obviously received none of Pilar's looks -- ouch -- just kidding.

Thanks again Popeye, I sent you an email. Julie Rose III certainly should be the flagship -- gorgeous boat with a masterful captain. I'll hook up with you at South Beach one night -- I'll provide the refreshments...

Cheers!

ss

Uglygreen · 08-12-2002, 11:29 PM

"There will be a new target species with a stealthy new aproach (for the Oregon coast anyway). Look for details when they return."

and the species/aproach was???

Uglygreen · 08-14-2002, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pilar:
Well I must admit to some wishful thinking. The new target is Swordfish and they are there to be had. The N. California Swordfish commercials have taken them off Oregon for years with Gill nets and long lines.

There is much study and head scratching going on now as we figure out how to boat one with sport tackle.

What we know so far is the general area of population distribution and some things about feeding habits.

The other fish include Marlin, Bluefin Tuna and Bigeye Tuna. They occur off the Oregon coast, though much less abundant and less easily caught than the Longfin Albacore.

My new longterm goal is to catch a billfish and land it in an Oregon Port.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Try the following:

http://swfsc.ucsd.edu/billfish.html

It looks like sport caught swordfish (in the Pacific) are pretty rare: Better Target is possibly Striped Marlin? Also my father in law regularly has caught swordfish as follows: Night drift fishing with squid (fresh) and chemical glow stick, squid is soaked in and injected with Tuna Oil. Further details if you want.

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corrirod · 08-14-2002, 03:20 PM

Give us all the details Uglygreen! Sounds like you're in the know. Where does your father-in-law catch them?

Now if we could just find someone that knows how to make the damn wind go away!

South Paw · 08-14-2002, 04:21 PM

Well with the wind like it was I guess my 11 steelhead on a fly rod in the Deschutes was the right choice. John let me know if you need a crew in the next few weeks.

TTYL

Southpaw

Uglygreen · 08-15-2002, 09:18 AM

Corrirod...

He is a both a retired sport guide and commercial fisherman and currently lives in Zihawantaneho (forgive my spelling) Mexico chasing sailfish, tuna, wahoo, etc.. everyday all year, (what a life) I have a call in to him for details on "secret" Swordfish techniques and best bets for striped Marlin, which I know he has caught a lot of with both Albicore and Yellowfin in S. California and NW Mexico.

Pilar · 08-15-2002, 09:52 AM

Uglygreen, funny how literature creeps into real life. Say-wa-ten-a-o (pronounced like) is of course the destination of the escapee in 'Shawshank Redemption'. I have friends who will tell me they hate Steven King and then recommend that I see a certain movie. Guess what it's written by Steven King! and they had no clue. 'Shawshank Redemption' is one of those very fine stories.

Does this place really exist? Sure looked like paradise in the movie.

Uglygreen · 08-16-2002, 06:15 AM

It really exists... here is one of many days I have spent there. It is a few miles south of Ixtapa... if you want to find it on a map.

jcarufo · 08-16-2002, 10:02 AM

Zihua is a magic place! Beautiful bay, true local flavor, friendly people, still inexpensive prices($125.00 per day for a super panga including all bait and drinks), great food, a central marketplace to die for, and best of all Blue water just outside the harbor. Lots of ex-patriots too. From what we hear, a great retirement spot. We've done an annual trip the last two years and will continue to do so,

jean

Deepslayer · 08-16-2002, 10:03 AM

Sure looks like a great place! I can see it now a place in Mexico for the winter and one in Alaska for the summer.
Looks like you forgot to hang the trophy in the middle up by its tail! :grin: The picture almost makes me want to move back to San Diego! :whazzup:
,Ed

Sailfish · 08-22-2002, 09:00 PM

Hey Mr. uglygreen. You ever think about releasin' those rascals instead of killing them for your glory picture. Sails are a lot better on the hook than they are on the grill. I know some of the Z-I skippers have a tendency to whack whatever hits the spread but your the one paying for the trip. Catch and release the bills baby.

Uglygreen · 08-23-2002, 05:58 AM

I agree to a point - and most of the fish I have caught both down there and up here have been released, when that option presentes itself. When down in that particular location, however, I am often fishing for free with local "commercial" fisherman (Mexicans) who think it is really strange that the dumb white guy wants to ride along with them all day and reel in their catch for them. They consider this work and think it is really kind of silly that someone would want to do it for fun.

I personally believe that the local population of commercial fisherman there (who normally fish quite similar to our recreational anglers here - 18-22 foot boats and trolling with rod/reel or handline or throwing live bait on day trips) have have less of an impact on the fish populations than the American or Japanese versions of the same thing on the high seas. There are no gill nets, draggers, drift nets, or similar methods there, which seems to produce both sustainable fish populations and little waste. There are a lot less guys chasing sailfish, marlin, tuna, etc... (both commercial and sport) out of Zihuatanejo / Ixtapa than there are chasing Sturgon on the Coloumbia on any particular day. I believe the population of these two towns is similar to Portland / Vancouver area.

I have been fortunate enough to fish in many exotic locations, and found that this is true for many of the third world locations, the local commercial crowd catches little more than enough to feed their own families / and make a (not grand) living, boat gas etc...

If I remember correctly, the two fish in the picture were used to feed the reception at the wedding of the daughter of the host family I was staying with. I believe few on theis board would object if sport caught Columbia river sturgon were used for the same purpose here.

Your comment is obviously well intentioned, however is shows a lack of knowledge on the circumstances faced by much of the world outside of North America and the typical American arrogance (is that the right word?) on the subject. These are not wild steelhead on a northwest river, or anything similar. I believe that any fish should be released (and I release a lot more than required here in the Northwest and elsewhere) if the stock is in danger or the product will not be used productivly. I DETEST the gill netters on the Columbia and the like, but am NOT opposed to keeping fish if the species, means, methods, and end use of the fish are both ethical and appropriate.

Does anyone disagree???

Note: I am PROUD to be an American and love this country. Especially having seen some of the alternatives. However I think we as a group are collectivly stupid at times, and it drives me nuts....

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Sailfish · 08-23-2002, 03:50 PM

I dont disagree with people keeping a few fish from a healthy population to feed thier families and friends. Had I known the circumstances of the catch I would never have posted in the first place. And while I may be susceptible to what you term American arrogance, I dont think it is out of place to try and persuade vacationing sportfishermen, mostly Americans, to release billfish rather than killing them for a picture or a mounting. I have spent quite a bit of time traveling, fishing and working in Central America and Mexico, and while I may have a lack of knowledge outside the U.S., It still makes me sick to see the gringo's come down and kill these beautiful fish, many of which end up discarded or given away once the client gets thier first taste of sailfish or striped marlin meat. In Costa Rica where I work, almost all of the lodges support catch and release fishing. Unfortunately at some of the spots I have visited in Mexico the skippers are pretty gaff happy when it comes time to leader a fish for thier clients. I'm not saying the locals dont have the right to harvest the fish that they need to make a living, that would be ridiculous, I'm just saying that if you take a vacation and go fishing, if you're not gonna eat it, dont kill it. Get it in fast, take a picture, and release it. Now let me dismount my high horse so I can go get ready for the Hali's manana.

Uglygreen · 08-23-2002, 08:53 PM

Sounds like we are real close to on the same page... my apologies if I went off a bit... anyhow most of the serious sport anglers agree wit the general waste not want not proposition. We all need to protect fish stocks and to do so requires some common sense. We americans - I believe - sometimes need to quit being stupid in our own back yard before we tell the rest of the world what they are doing wrong. Remindes me of the scene I have come across several times - a guy sittin on a northwest river "trout" fishing, ask to see his catch and he has a stringer of wild steelhead smolts caught and killed on powerbait... can you say stupid?

Anyhow my point is that most of the people that take the time to both register and participate on Ifish are somewhat serious about the sport... since we are both sort of new here you might want to take the time to acertain the circumstances of a catch before critizing it, Ill admit, Ive done my share of stupid things while fishing, we all have, but I try not to repeat my mistakes, wanton waste is not something that I do. I think most of the "tourists" who just kill fish without any meaning, are not likely to be in this forum. By the way most northwest guides are pretty gaff happy and river bossy themselves.