Beware!!!!!!!!!

[BornToFish360]

Took my 4runner thats for sale to the mechanic yesterday to figure out why the idol was rough ...Well dad dealt with the mechanic since i am working and not in that area...The mechanic cleaned and fixed the fuel lines and pump and never even called to say here is what it will cost and do you want it fixed just did the work and bill was around 160-200 dollars...Beware dont take cars to that mechanic....

BTF360

added note: didnt pay the bill it is illegal to do that...

[SilverBullets]

You said your dad took it in to get a quote, and then the work was performed. Did your dad get a quote? And did your dad tell the mechanic to call you before performing the work? Why did your dad have the work done if you only sent him there to get a quote? I guess I'm a little mixed up on what you expected from your dad and the mechanic.

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullets

You said your dad took it in to get a quote, and then the work was performed. Did your dad get a quote? And did your dad tell the mechanic to call you before performing the work? Why did your dad have the work done if you only sent him there to get a quote? I guess I'm a little mixed up on what you expected from your dad and the mechanic.

Lol..its cool didnt explain real well at work and busy. The 4runner was idoling rough the other day I my self dropped it off at the mechanic to have them look at why it was doing it. Well after dropping off dad said he would call the mechanic today and find out what the problem is and how much it would cost to fix.. Well the mechanic called first and said lines and pump and injectors needed cleaning and that it was complete and he could pick the car up and the bill was 180 dollars. Well needless to say this isnt the first time this has happend so it is illegal when you take a car to a shop for them to do any repairs or add services without getting permission from the owner themselves. So the mechanic knew what he did and waived the bill and we put in a file with bbb...

btf360

hopefully now its a little easier to understand

[Fried Oyster]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Lol..its cool didnt explain real well at work and busy. The 4runner was idoling rough the other day I my self dropped it off at the mechanic to have them look at why it was doing it. Well after dropping off dad said he would call the mechanic today and find out what the problem is and how much it would cost to fix.. Well the mechanic called first and said lines and pump and injectors needed cleaning and that it was complete and he could pick the car up and the bill was 180 dollars. Well needless to say this isnt the first time this has happend so it is illegal when you take a car to a shop for them to do any repairs or add services without getting permission from the owner themselves. So the mechanic knew what he did and waived the bill and we put in a file with bbb...

btf360

hopefully now its a little easier to understand

Wow. He waived the bill and you filed with the bbb.

Don't ever bother calling my shop.

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by Fried Oyster

Wow. He waived the bill and you filed with the bbb.

Don't ever bother calling my shop.

Guy knew what he did was wrong...why wouldnt you file..after 2 hrs of fighting with him to waive the bill he finally did.. it was wrong and any good mechanic knows it is illegal..explain how i am wrong for fileing...


btf360

[Fried Oyster]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Guy knew what he did was wrong...why wouldnt you file..after 2 hrs of fighting with him to waive the bill he finally did.. it was wrong and any good mechanic knows it is illegal..explain how i am wrong for fileing...


btf360

Bee Tee Eff 360.....

I wasn't there, so I can't really judge you...sorry about my tone. Let me ask you this? How much is the "going rate" for the service he provided? You paid nothing. And you filed.

You sound litigious. Why not chew him down a few bucks. I'm not exactly in the same trade as that mechanic; but in contracting, there is some legislature which states the contractor must be compensated for work provided if you beneifited from the work, despite miscomunications, or lack of a properly written contract. Not sure how your scenario would have played out in court, but you seem like the type that would have gone the distance. As a contractor who tries to provide absolutely top notch service, I try to spot and avoid people who seem litigious. Nothing ever satisfies them.

There is a fine line between being right, and being just.

Again, I wasn't there, I really can't judge you. Better luck next time. I use a guy in Tigard, quite a drive from Clackamas, but the most honest, forthright auto mechanic I've ever met.

Oyster

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by Fried Oyster

Bee Tee Eff 360.....

I wasn't there, so I can't really judge you...sorry about my tone. Let me ask you this? How much is the "going rate" for the service he provided? You paid nothing. And you filed.

You sound litigious. Why not chew him down a few bucks. I'm not exactly in the same trade as that mechanic; but in contracting, there is some legislature which states the contractor must be compensated for work provided if you beneifited from the work, despite miscomunications, or lack of a properly written contract. Not sure how your scenario would have played out in court, but you seem like the type that would have gone the distance. As a contractor who tries to provide absolutely top notch service, I try to spot and avoid people who seem litigious. Nothing ever satisfies them.

There is a fine line between being right, and being just.

Again, I wasn't there, I really can't judge you. Better luck next time. I use a guy in Tigard, quite a drive from Clackamas, but the most honest, forthright auto mechanic I've ever met.

Oyster

I am not litigious what so ever... The fact that it is illegal to do that sort of thing caused this hole situation. He is the one that started with the lawyer threats so we batted right back. I rather not go to court with this hole thing over 180 dollars not even worth the time, But with me taking it there and wanting to know what needed to be done and then not getting any quotes on how much and him just saying ok well i did it with out your permission.. Thats going cause a problem.. It is wrong no matter how to look maybe some will think that it was wrong to file but it may not be the first time this has happend.

btf360

I to use a mechanic in beaverton who i trust with all my cars.. Truck was in that side of town so i just took it there...

[djb]

Well, As a shop owner myself, it sounds like the owner made it right. If somebody brings their car in for a driveability problem, I charge them one hour diagnosis wich is a industry standard. I cant expect a mechanic to diagnose something for free since most mechanics are paid flat rate. If the shop owner did not get a diagnosis charge from you to start out with then that must have been his oversight. He should have gotten a signed or verbal authorization to perform diagnosis and repairs on your car. It sounds like you ended up in a win situation. You got your car fixed- fuel injection service sounds like and you didnt have to pay a nickle. The guy made it right, let it go. djb

[BornToFish360]

He did make it right after everything was said and done...I am done with the hole ordeal the hole point of this tread was to just rant about what happend. Gave my side and explained better when asked by first person to post on the thread... Then i get responds from other members and what i sound like and that shouldnt have filed and that i got off real good by not having to pay anything... I guess i wont post rants or beware threads anymore... He didnt charge me "GREAT" the fact of the matter is that he did work on the truck with out permission and from what i was told it is illegal to do unless agreeed on by owner of said vehicle.. It was just a rant on a bad experience.... "Issue Dropped"

btf360

Feel free to delete thread if like.....

[salmon whisperer]

please tell us that you are making this up

YOU dropped off your vecicle for a diagnosis. EVERY decent shop charges a minimum 1 hr fee... so that was probably $80-$90.... with NOTHING FIXED!!! So you would be out $80 minimum with NO Problems resolved, which I assume you were OK with or you wouldn't have dropped off the vehicle in the 1st place.

Then there would be ANOTHER 1hr minimum fee to fix ANYTHING = another $80-$90.... Get this..... TOTALLING $160-$180 and the car is done/fixed/completed!!!! The law CLEARLY STATES that ANY shop performing LABOR is allowed to bill up to 10% OVER above a QUOTE. Yes that is FACT. And any judge would see that any quote would be at least the minimum charge... SO you have a diagnosis (1hr @ $80) and any quote would be at least 1 more hour (another 1hr @ $80)... PLUS 10% MORE (another $16) that is $176.... SO HE ILLEGALLY CHARGED YOU $4 DOLLARS... let's raise Johnny Cochran from the dead and march in front of this SHOP for their ILLEGAL ways!!!!

You went into a shop and agreed to pay (for the diagnosis) and you think that an additional MINIMUM charge to fix the car is outrageous and illegal...

He let you go without paying? It was not because he thought he was wrong... it was because you were wasting his time and he cut his losses to get to some reasonable customers so can feed his family.

and then you tattled on him............. REALLY?????

[STGRule]

There should only have been the charge for the diagnosis. If there was a charge for repairs that were not authorised by the owner, then yes. It should have been reported. I'm not sure why there is a problem with that.

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by salmon whisperer

please tell us that you are making this up

YOU dropped off your vecicle for a diagnosis. EVERY decent shop charges a minimum 1 hr fee... so that was probably $80-$90.... with NOTHING FIXED!!! So you would be out $80 minimum with NO Problems resolved, which I assume you were OK with or you wouldn't have dropped off the vehicle in the 1st place.

Then there would be ANOTHER 1hr minimum fee to fix ANYTHING = another $80-$90.... Get this..... TOTALLING $160-$180 and the car is done/fixed/completed!!!! The law CLEARLY STATES that ANY shop performing LABOR is allowed to bill up to 10% OVER above a QUOTE. Yes that is FACT. And any judge would see that any quote would be at least the minimum charge... SO you have a diagnosis (1hr @ $80) and any quote would be at least 1 more hour (another 1hr @ $80)... PLUS 10% MORE (another $16) that is $176.... SO HE ILLEGALLY CHARGED YOU $4 DOLLARS... let's raise Johnny Cochran from the dead and march in front of this SHOP for their ILLEGAL ways!!!!

You went into a shop and agreed to pay (for the diagnosis) and you think that an additional MINIMUM charge to fix the car is outrageous and illegal...

He let you go without paying? It was not because he thought he was wrong... it was because you were wasting his time and he cut his losses to get to some reasonable customers so can feed his family.

and then you tattled on him............. REALLY?????

No prices discussed about diag. cost labor or anything..... So again... nothing was discussed labor was done no cost on anything was ever exchanged at all........... I dont see how i am wrong i understand that there can be a fee for looking or getting to the source of the problem.. Yet nothing was discussed at all... all that was said was do you have the keys.. Ok ill call you in a few days and give you an update no fees were ever discussed about shop costs or anything...

btf360

[salmon whisperer]

Originally Posted by STGRule

There should only have been the charge for the diagnosis. If there was a charge for repairs that were not authorised by the owner, then yes. It should have been reported. I'm not sure why there is a problem with that.

If you have a 3rd party handling it for you... and get upset that there was a miss-communication about the work to be done? and then get a No-charge diagnosis AND service...? then report them?

you still do not see a problem with that?

[salmon whisperer]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Yet nothing was discussed at all... all that was said was do you have the keys.. Ok ill call you in a few days and give you an update no fees were ever discussed about shop costs or anything...

btf360

I am assuming that you are a reasonable person and a nice guy. And I believe that we probably share enough common interests that we would enjoy a day on the water together... and would agree on more things that we disagree on. So, I want to drop this before you think I am just being a jerk.... BUT....

you dropped off your vehicle to an unknown shop without asking the shop rate... or how many hours at that rate they would take to find out what was wrong? knowing that you probably wouldn't get a call for a few days? and you gave them your keys and figured your dad would handle it? and then feel like you got taken?

I am assuming at the minimum you have learned a lesson

[Space]

I would like to know if the work performed by the mechanic fixed your problem? If that fixed the problem then you could have called around to see if the cost was in line for the work that was done. I have had this exact repair done on my vehicle and the cost was about the same last year as you just got charged. There are sooo many people out there looking for any reason not to pay for services rendered even if the service was needed. He didn't charge you a diagnostic fee to even analyze the problem. Is his time, education and experience free? Are Doctors, Lawyers and Dentists the only professionals expected to charge for consultations, bids, estimates?

If this did indeed fix the problem then you Sir are in the WRONG and took advantage of the situation. On top of that you went so far as to turn him into the BBB after he waived the bill. Oh, you're not done yet. Now you have to get on the board and trash him some more. Why? Because you can. OK, so Technically and Legally he should have called before making the repairs but, for whatever reason it didn't happen. That doesn't make it ethically right to not pay the Man. If you would have paid him that amount of money to do the work if he would have called first then pay the Man. Money is getting tight for everyone these days. If you don't have the money to pay the full amount for the service then work it out with him. Don't just not pay him because you can get away with it.

I have a name for this kind of Customer. I call them McDonalds customers. Named after the Lawsuit between McDonalds and Joe Customer. The one where the customer uses the drive thru to order HOT coffee. The coffee is delivered as ordered. HOT. Then the customer puts the coffee on the dash and drives off, later spilling the coffee on their lap causing a slight burn. Now the customer is burnt by the hot coffee and decides to SUE McDonalds because they gave the customer HOT coffee.

Enough said.


Space

[suckerfish]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

He did make it right after everything was said and done...I am done with the hole ordeal the hole point of this tread was to just rant about what happend. Gave my side and explained better when asked by first person to post on the thread... Then i get responds from other members and what i sound like and that shouldnt have filed and that i got off real good by not having to pay anything... I guess i wont post rants or beware threads anymore... He didnt charge me "GREAT" the fact of the matter is that he did work on the truck with out permission and from what i was told it is illegal to do unless agreeed on by owner of said vehicle.. It was just a rant on a bad experience.... "Issue Dropped"

btf360

Feel free to delete thread if like.....

Ahh, the guy was doing you a big favor by only charging you $180.00. Most people would not complain about a repair bill in that amount. The guy just figured that was a very resonable repair order and just went with it. Sounds like a great repair guy. Alot of shops seems to just want to change out parts until they get it fixed. Im scatching my head trying to figure out your malfunction. And why would you take it to a repair shop if your going to bock and less than $200.00.

suckerfish

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by suckerfish

Ahh, the guy was doing you a big favor by only charging you $180.00. Most people would not complain about a repair bill in that amount. The guy just figured that was a very resonable repair order and just went with it. Sounds like a great repair guy. Alot of shops seems to just want to change out parts until they get it fixed. Im scatching my head trying to figure out your malfunction. And why would you take it to a repair shop if your going to bock and less than $200.00.

suckerfish

just to clear up.. i dont have a problem about paying the fees.. So what you are saying is that its ok to just charge someone a fee not telling them what you are doing or anything cause you think it is a resonable rate or price... My malfunction is that he just put a price together never told me what he was doing or the rate he just did it... That is my point.. That is wrong i dont know why i am getting ganged on here when it is wrong just to do somthing cause you think the price is right or you dont have to tel them cause you feel its right to charge someone with out telling you.... I would have paid the bill i wouldnt have taken it there if i wasnt going to pay but to run a bill and not tell the customer that you are doing this and this is what it will cost you and just do it cause you feel its a good price is wrong..... in my line of work it will lead to no job. so thats my MALFUNCTION.....

[Joe C]

I hear you when it comes to being upset about work done without a quote.

but lets look at the numbers. you would have had to pay the diagnostic.. and then what? Fixed it yourself? Would you have needed to pay for any parts or fluid? I could see you explaining that to him and only paying the diagnostic plus materials. But if he did all that work for free and you got out with no charge... that's a pretty amazing deal.

[lentz]

:lurk::lurk::co nfused:

[suckerfish]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

just to clear up.. i dont have a problem about paying the fees.. So what you are saying is that its ok to just charge someone a fee not telling them what you are doing or anything cause you think it is a resonable rate or price... My malfunction is that he just put a price together never told me what he was doing or the rate he just did it... That is my point.. That is wrong i dont know why i am getting ganged on here when it is wrong just to do somthing cause you think the price is right or you dont have to tel them cause you feel its right to charge someone with out telling you.... I would have paid the bill i wouldnt have taken it there if i wasnt going to pay but to run a bill and not tell the customer that you are doing this and this is what it will cost you and just do it cause you feel its a good price is wrong..... in my line of work it will lead to no job. so thats my MALFUNCTION.....

Its also wrong for you to walk out without paying a dim. It was $180.00
if it was 500.00 or more I could see your point. However for $180.00 sound a little foolish to me. And then to turn him in to the BBB. Give me a break. I still don't get it. You should go pay the repair bill and apoligize.


suckerfish

[BornToFish360]

There was no diagnostic fee what so ever. It didnt hook up to machine at all or i would have know from the beginning about that... all work was labor and materials. Which was never gone over.. So there for was wrong just doing the work and not telling me the labor cost and materials cost before he did the work.. That is "Slamming".. Thats like you calling to your local cbl company and wanting to know the pkg level for a certain chnl and then i never tell you the cost or the procedure of getting that lvl of cbl... In turn i just upgrd the account cause i think its a fare cost and i dont get your approval to upgrd to the level i just do it cause i think its a fair price... How is that any different from what happend here.. No fee to diagnose since there wasnt a machine to hook it to which yes is usally 80-100 per hour. since i didnt have that happen and it was a visual and hearing inspection it didnt cost anything.. so i dont see how i am wrong when in any other case weither it be upgrding cable or getting new service at your home for somthing and you dont get the price before it happens then 10-1 your going to be upset about it and even if they reverse or dont charge you for the upgrd in cable or what ever product it was they did. You still will probably report to someone......

[Joe C]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

There was no diagnostic fee what so ever. It didnt hook up to machine at all or i would have know from the beginning about that... all work was labor and materials. Which was never gone over.. So there for was wrong just doing the work and not telling me the labor cost and materials cost before he did the work.. That is "Slamming".. Thats like you calling to your local cbl company and wanting to know the pkg level for a certain chnl and then i never tell you the cost or the procedure of getting that lvl of cbl... In turn i just upgrd the account cause i think its a fare cost and i dont get your approval to upgrd to the level i just do it cause i think its a fair price... How is that any different from what happend here.. No fee to diagnose since there wasnt a machine to hook it to which yes is usally 80-100 per hour. since i didnt have that happen and it was a visual and hearing inspection it didnt cost anything.. so i dont see how i am wrong when in any other case weither it be upgrding cable or getting new service at your home for somthing and you dont get the price before it happens then 10-1 your going to be upset about it and even if they reverse or dont charge you for the upgrd in cable or what ever product it was they did. You still will probably report to someone......

So how much did you think it was gonna cost without the labor and aterials? Were you expecting him to tell you what was wrong with it and then charge you nothing for the inspection if you decided to go elsewhere?

I dunno... something was wrong with your car. Anytime something is wrong with your car to a point where you need to take it to a mechanic, and you end up paying less than $200 for a fix... that is a pretty rare thing.

Paying zero for it? Wow, you got away with one there.

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by Joe C

So how much did you think it was gonna cost without the labor and aterials? Were you expecting him to tell you what was wrong with it and then charge you nothing for the inspection if you decided to go elsewhere?

I dunno... something was wrong with your car. Anytime something is wrong with your car to a point where you need to take it to a mechanic, and you end up paying less than $200 for a fix... that is a pretty rare thing.

Paying zero for it? Wow, you got away with one there.

Here is my issue. EVERYONE DISAGREEING PLEASE READ... My issue is that if there was a diagnostic fee, FINE. OK. NO BIGGY. It was never mentioned in the beginning. And we have taken the car there before and had never paid for the car to get inspected. Again, if there was going to be a fee, FINE, just would like to know what is coming out of my pocket. Now, the issue is that he fixed the car and expected payment for something I DID NOT AUTHORIZE to get fixed. I don't have money that grows on trees. If I had known, then it would have been taken care of at a later time. So again, because it was not said first hand, and did it anyways, then said "Here's the bill" upsets me. Yes, we got the car back, but again, just irritated with the ordeal.


Put aside the fact that it was a mechanic that did this and lets say your cable company did it. You call and say look at my account and tell me what level of cable is required to get this certain channel. I say this level is required you say ok thanks and hang the phone up.. No Package price was discussed yet I just upgrade the account with out telling you how much it will run per month.. Then later you find it on your bill and call and say why was this added on with out my permission? Then after a little battle or words the company doesnt charge you the fee and lets you keep it for a while. Then you go and report it to someone cause you feel that if it happend to you then it may or has happend to someone else... In sence following consumers...


Now back to the mechanic... in my scenario above how is that any different than saying oh ok no fees were discussed.. Please just look at it and tell me whats wrong.. Yet all work was done with no communication what so ever before the stuff was fixed.......Again if he would have said diag. fee is this much and then i said ok then we will go from there and then he said here is the cost of what it will cost to fix i would have said ok ill do it or i will park it at the house for a week or two paid the fee for the look which he doesnt charge and would have been done with it.. If i dont make sense still i dont know how else to put it............

If you dont get that what happend in both mechanic and my senario with the cable company is slamming and slamming is illegal then i dont know how else to explain it....

btf360

[Joe C]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Here is my issue. EVERYONE DISAGREEING PLEASE READ... My issue is that if there was a diagnostic fee, FINE. OK. NO BIGGY. It was never mentioned in the beginning. And we have taken the car there before and had never paid for the car to get inspected. Again, if there was going to be a fee, FINE, just would like to know what is coming out of my pocket. Now, the issue is that he fixed the car and expected payment for something I DID NOT AUTHORIZE to get fixed. I don't have money that grows on trees. If I had known, then it would have been taken care of at a later time. So again, because it was not said first hand, and did it anyways, then said "Here's the bill" upsets me. Yes, we got the car back, but again, just irritated with the ordeal.

i hear ya. I just haven't heard of a place that offers free inspections. they usually say they'll deduct the cost of the inspection off the final bill if you have the work done by them.

And I'm with you on getting it approved first. Seems odd that THEY would want to do the work without a signed contract out of fear of not being paid. And after this, they probably learned their lesson. no work without a signed contract and verbal authorization, otherwise some angry dude may refuse to pay you.

My point is, yes you got aggravated, but at the end of the day you got $180 worth of work done for free! Be happy! A healthy car and $180 bucks extra in your pocket than you would have had if the guy had called you. Go buy some nice steaks... that's free money!

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by Joe C

i hear ya. I just haven't heard of a place that offers free inspections. they usually say they'll deduct the cost of the inspection off the final bill if you have the work done by them.

And I'm with you on getting it approved first. Seems odd that THEY would want to do the work without a signed contract out of fear of not being paid. And after this, they probably learned their lesson. no work without a signed contract and verbal authorization, otherwise some angry dude may refuse to pay you.

My point is, yes you got aggravated, but at the end of the day you got $180 worth of work done for free! Be happy! A healthy car and $180 bucks extra in your pocket than you would have had if the guy had called you. Go buy some nice steaks... that's free money!

Hey there is hope left.......I am happy it runs good and i kept my money (which i would have paid had the steps been right in getting the repairs)...Atleast someone understands were i am coming from thanks joe..

btf360

[lor]

BTF360,
Let me ask one simple question, for this scenario, if he called you first, would you have told him to fix the car, yes or no.

[BornToFish360]

If he called me first... Yes cause i had the money to fix the problem... to me its not the matter of paying the fees.. Its a matter of slamming and to answer your question yes i would have...plan and simple....


btf360

[SILVERSINK]

The work got done . you use the shop all the time ( I bet you wont get him to do your work any more) ,Buy the way these shops have phones and talk to each other all the time. Your bragging you found a technacality you can use to your convenience to get the job done for nothing. I do concrete and we talk all the time and compare problems we have had and keep a list of past problems. You cant believe how many times people wait until the job is done then say that's not what I wanted, when that happens we file a lien on the property or tear the job out (because until I get payed for Materials and labor its still my right)besides arnt you suposed to sign your name. Darral

[BornToFish360]

Originally Posted by SILVERSINK

The work got done . you use the shop all the time ( I bet you wont get him to do your work any more) ,Buy the way these shops have phones and talk to each other all the time. Your bragging you found a technacality you can use to your convenience to get the job done for nothing. I do concrete and we talk all the time and compare problems we have had and keep a list of past problems. You cant believe how many times people wait until the job is done then say that's not what I wanted, when that happens we file a lien on the property or tear the job out (because until I get payed for Materials and labor its still my right)besides arnt you suposed to sign your name. Darral

So darrel your saying that its ok for someone to not tell a customer about the job that needs to be done and cost and then get the approval to do it... That is all this whole thing is about.. yes i got it fixed and cool you guys talk about bad deals in the past i never once have tried to skip out on a bill.. The matter is not about slamming his work or the job he did it is about the fact he never said anything before the work was done. Its all about the fact that nothing was said.. So to every one who owns a shop. i am not slamming his work or anything he did prior to what happend today the hole post is about not telling the price before preforming the labor... thats alll... i am doing post my rebudles.... tread can do what it may i am tired of going over and over it...

[69scout]

WOW.... Getting a car repaired for free and dissed the mechanic who fixed it ?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluehewes]

Why file a complaint with the B.B.B if the issue was resolved?
Look like he should take you to small claims to get his money for the work that was performed.

[Fshklr]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Took my 4runner thats for sale to the mechanic yesterday to figure out why the idol was rough ...Well dad dealt with the mechanic since i am working and not in that area...The mechanic cleaned and fixed the fuel lines and pump and never even called to say here is what it will cost and do you want it fixed just did the work and bill was around 160-200 dollars...Beware dont take cars to that mechanic....

BTF360

added note: didnt pay the bill it is illegal to do that...

I hope your karma meter is over flowing...you may need it soon.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

I find this rather hard to believe as well. What did you expect.. 300 people to respond " good for you".. You really got away with one.

Reported the guy to the BBB after he did a minor repair to your rig that fixed the problem. AFTER... he did it for free. I imagine he is telling this same story to other people, and its not quite the same angle as you have.

[StickFish]

OK let me get this straight - you took your car in for diagnostic work which he performed and you didn't pay for it? Next the guy did the work and you got upset cause he didn't call you to tell you how much it would be and whether you wanted to pay that much and then you didn't pay him? Than you filed a complaint with the BBB because what he did isn't the right thing to do?

Is that right?

If he had called you and gave you the quote would you have done the work?

If so - you are way out of line, drive back to the shop and pay the man.

You said yourself it wasn't worth fighting over, but you still screwed the guy twice - good job

[Cast Away]

If you have any integrity at all you should go back, and offer half the original amount charged, and remove your rediculous complaint at the BBB.

[jimh]

He made a mistake and fixed it for free and was still reported. That's brutal. beware of customer...

[sliverslinger]

I dont know, If I was the mechanic and after waiving a bill for labor and material to make a customer happy, and then finding out that the customer reported me to the BBB.

I think there would be some sort of legal action for Slander, deflammation of charactor, or something along those lines.


I personally dont think I would have posted something like this on the internet anyway.

[Oregon-Jet]

Did it fix the problem?

[Smj]

Do you guys sleep?

Smj

[B-RUN STEELIE]

Originally Posted by sliverslinger

I personally dont think I would have posted something like this on the internet anyway.

Word that.. deal is.. I'll think about this every single time you post anything in the future. " Oh, this is the guy who did the number on the mechanic ".

The guy basically "had" to fix it while he had it apart to see what was wrong. He didn't over charge you. You should fix your reputation and go pay the guy.. then post that. Argued for two hours ?? Thats like going to the emergency room to ask a doctor how many stitches its going to take to stop the bleeding, and being upset when he stitched you up.

[feisty's wife]

Originally Posted by StickFish

OK let me get this straight - you took your car in for diagnostic work which he performed and you didn't pay for it? Next the guy did the work and you got upset cause he didn't call you to tell you how much it would be and whether you wanted to pay that much and then you didn't pay him? Than you filed a complaint with the BBB because what he did isn't the right thing to do?

Is that right?

If he had called you and gave you the quote would you have done the work?

If so - you are way out of line, drive back to the shop and pay the man.

You said yourself it wasn't worth fighting over, but you still screwed the guy twice - good job

Very well put...I do not beleive this thread

[feisty's wife]

Originally Posted by B-RUN STEELIE

Word that.. deal is.. I'll think about this every single time you post anything in the future. " Oh, this is the guy who did the number on the mechanic ".

The guy basically "had" to fix it while he had it apart to see what was wrong. He didn't over charge you. You should fix your reputation and go pay the guy.. then post that. Argued for two hours ?? Thats like going to the emergency room to ask a doctor how many stitches its going to take to stop the bleeding, and being upset when he stitched you up.

I hear you...Do me once, shame on you, do me twice, shame on me

[SilverBullets]

Well, you should be ashamed of yourself. At least split the bill, not paying because he didn't call you first when he was good enough to repair it at a fair price is just plain wrong. The guy didn't screw you, you screwed him! Like stated before, if the charge was over $500 it would be different, but a charge under $200 is very reasonable for a shop rate these days. You should have payed, and thanked him for fixing you yota and not taking advantage of you.

[fishandcrawl]

[rum runner]

I think you should take the vehicle back to the mechanic and let him "un-fix" the car.... you can then go the another mechanic and pay for dx and repair. Start over and pay the going rate.

Sometimes Karma is a bad bad thing...

[djb]

Originally Posted by Smj

Do you guys sleep?

Smj

These are the guys that are just getting up early to go fishing

[Chromaflage]

Dang mechanics anyway. Whatever happened to the days of free diagnosis and repair? Oh yeah, they never existed. Let's see, the mechanic has bills just like you and is employed or in business to provide a service to earn a living just like you.

You just stole $200 from someone!! All because he didn't have you sign a piece of paper. He diagnosed and fixed the problem. Pay the guy, say thanks and be on your merry way! Count yourself lucky that it was only $200. I just spent $500 for brakes and $3000 for a transmission for my truck. Quit your whining! I wonder if I could get the same deal.

[GSD]

At least you had the marbles to remove the name of the shop from your original post.

Sorry but I would have trouble sleeping had I done what you did.

[HntnFsh]

If you didnt specifically say,Just give me an estimate.
He could have misunderstood,and figured you wanted it fixed.Doesnt sound to me like you were real clear,and just shafted him on a technicality.When the poor guy was just trying to help you out.

Maybe he didnt handle his end very well.But you handled yours,way worse.I wouldnt be too proud if I was you.

[rob allen]

Originally Posted by BornToFish360

Took my 4runner thats for sale to the mechanic yesterday to figure out why the idol was rough ...Well dad dealt with the mechanic since i am working and not in that area...The mechanic cleaned and fixed the fuel lines and pump and never even called to say here is what it will cost and do you want it fixed just did the work and bill was around 160-200 dollars...Beware dont take cars to that mechanic....

BTF360

added note: didnt pay the bill it is illegal to do that...

you took your car to a mechanic and got out for less than a grand??? you should consider yourself lucky. it seems to be one of those industries where unethical behavior has become industry standard and therefore becomes ok..

[fiddler]

Originally Posted by B-RUN STEELIE

Word that.. deal is.. I'll think about this every single time you post anything in the future. " Oh, this is the guy who did the number on the mechanic ".

The guy basically "had" to fix it while he had it apart to see what was wrong. He didn't over charge you. You should fix your reputation and go pay the guy.. then post that. Argued for two hours ?? Thats like going to the emergency room to ask a doctor how many stitches its going to take to stop the bleeding, and being upset when he stitched you up.

Yep.
Once the clogged fuel lines were off, the choices were to fix it or put it back together clogged. No one in their right mind would want it put back together clogged, so why waste the air time calling for the o.k. on such a small issue.
Sounds like you ripped off a very honest mechanic.
Maybe you should post the name of the guy for people looking for a good mechanic.

[bait dunker]

At my shop customers like you are the reason i want to find another line of work. if you didnt want the truck diagnosed or fixed then why did you bring it in? sounds to me like he did a reasonable job at a reasonable price.
there are certain times i make repairs without authorization as well. sometimes its so easy, it doesnt make sense to not do it. Ive had one complaint in 10 years, but after explaining it everything was ok.
just because the technician didnt hook your vehicle up to any diagnostic equipment you dont think you owe him for diagnostic time? did you expect him to diagnose it for free? by bringing your vehicle in and asking him to check it out you gave consent for at least diagnosis time. so i suppose when your tail light goes out youll return to his shop and say "ever since you cleaned my injectors my tail light went out" and expect that for free too?
Im sorry, your behavior disgusts me. you seem to expect something for nothing, im sure your a good guy, but what you did was dead wrong. you totally took advantage of a guy doing you a favor. what a mooch! I hope karma finds you soon.
try pulling this garbage with your doctor or the paramedics, oh wait, insurance covers it so you wont care.....

[Norski]

Welcome to Ifish

With that said, I work for a shop here in Bend, a repair, new and used.

I am out on the road talking to people every day, when I give a sale pitch, or pick up a motor, or pump to be repaired, I tell the customer that there is a fee for a quote, flat fee $40.00 bucks, that just to have one of our techs spend what ever time it takes to run test to see if we can fix your problem.

After I get the report from him, I call and tell you what is wrong, and what it's going to take to fix, rebuild, or your option to replace.

I am not the owner, but when the costumer says "no, there is a fee of $40.00 bucks.

Now if I have to make 3,4,5, long distance calls, and spend 2 to 4 hours, to get a quote for your problem, I think the quote, should go up, and I have charged for the time, the highest was $ 275.00.

I also told the company, I was, and still do business with that me, or the techs time is worth some thing.

We have many a motor and pump out back that has not been repaired, Mr, customer has come up with every excuse, why he should not have to pay there bill.

And like any repair shop, being a auto, motor, or what ever, we all talk to each other.

In my line of work, just like a auto repair shop, the person behind the counter, should of made the call, to you, or your dad, & what you went through, well you can see what others think.

Someone got a free-b,

Tight-Lines.

"Norski"

[Jennie@ifish]

I think this has been discussed enough.
I'm getting so tired of negative threads. Aren't you?
Is it the weather?

We've been alerted on this thread so much that I think we should just close it.

Jen