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South Paw · 04-29-2002, 08:08 PM

Well it's time for new line on the halibut reels. As Jim from Puffin taught us all 130lb is a bit much and from previous experiences I think 50 is a bit light. so the burning question is weather 65 or 80 is the line of choice. I need 1000 yards so the penny a yard difference isn't a reel(sp)deterrent. all imput is welcome.

Thanks
SP

04-29-2002, 09:07 PM

50lb worked for me in Alaska. :smile:

Pilar · 04-30-2002, 05:46 AM

80# works for Tuna, Halibut and peelers. How many setups do you have that fish 3 major species? I used to do 50# but it seems to break on the peelers.

You must be playing with a rock cod special. :grin:

South Paw · 04-30-2002, 06:38 AM

Rock cod special it is. Keta I've caught huge fish with 50lb but the concern I have with it is the other fishermen at the ranch. I'm wondering if I get crossed up with 80lb from another boat and I have 65 how it's going to fare. It would be a drag to get a hash mark in my 65 at about the 150 yard mark while the 80 comes away scott free.

sturgn · 04-30-2002, 07:49 AM

Hi guys,
I just found a source for a line called Raptor, its a braided line like Tuffline, anyway I just got the guy to ship me 2 1000YD spools of 80lb test for $90 total. Im not sure how it will compare to tuff line bt for the price I can chunk it after Halibut fishing if I want, if any of you want to contact the guy let me know!

Threemuch · 04-30-2002, 08:19 AM

In my experience light line cuts heavy. I have 80 on my main and 50 on my backup. Sturgn, I would be interested. Send me your info on this Raptor line.
KB

sturgn · 04-30-2002, 09:48 AM

Heres the link on what I have found on this line, not much but oh well, I did not buy it from this link but so I will give this guys email after I ask him if he minds!
Raptor fishing line

Threemuch · 04-30-2002, 10:23 AM

Looks to me like that spiderwire fusion stuff, which I have not had good luck with. It tends to come apart as it ages.

As I see it, braided spectra is the way to go. There are two reasons for using braided spectra.

1. Little to no stretch. Let's you feel the bottom feel the bite. A must in 600' with J hooks, less of an issue with circle hooks.

2. Small diameter. Large diameter lines will create more resistance in the water as you drift, and will drift further back, which will cause you to ensnare the cork in the bottom of the sea or tangle another boat.

I think that 50 pound braided spectra should be fine for halibut, hence, I bought 450 yards of tufline plus for my backup rig yesterday. If you don't damage the line, 50 pound is pretty hard to break, even with a belt.

Make sure they pack it on tight. A loose spooling is big trouble waiting to happen.

KB

Hamachi · 05-01-2002, 04:48 AM

Kurt, what type of knot do you tie when using Spectra? I hear a bimini works well, but I use a palomar.

South Paw · 05-01-2002, 05:49 AM

I'd also be interested in at least checking out that Raptor line. I have used the palomar on the new lines since it they came out with no slips. I've not tried the bimini not though, I'm an if it ain't broke dont fix it type.

South Paw · 05-01-2002, 06:45 AM

Sturgn, What color is the Raptoe line? i KNOW AT 600' it really doesn't matter but I was just curious.

Houston

Pilar · 05-01-2002, 07:32 AM

Huey, did you see Jon's new reel full of 80 power pro? What he told me is 350 yds of dacron 80# with 900 yds of Power pro 80# on top of that. Is that ridiculous or what?

Next time he does dolphin on he can just leave it in the pole holder and tighten the drag. That sucker will have to breathe sooner or later.

So ... when does my sealine 910 get here, houston?

05-01-2002, 10:32 AM

I use a uni knot. :grin:

Threemuch · 05-01-2002, 02:12 PM

Always Palomar. I can tie it in 10 seconds in the dark.

For those of you that may not know the knot:

http://www.powerpro.com/advantage/palomar.asp

KB

puffins crew · 05-01-2002, 03:15 PM

Hey Pilar,

There is a 900H with a power handle on e-bay rite now for $75.00. Let me know if you want it.

Pilar · 05-01-2002, 03:23 PM

Hey Tom, Huey got me a Sealine 910, Rock Cod Special for about that much on E-bay. I need to find out when it is coming here. Have you seen Houston lately?

Both of the 50Hs you scrounged up work good. They killed lings on that last ocean trip. Thanks, bro.

Hey go over to Jon's and check out his 910 with a 1/2 a mile of 80# powerpro on it. Wow!

seasquid · 05-01-2002, 03:25 PM

I use a trilene knot and have never had a problem.

here's a good link:

http://www.fishsa.com/kntiestl.htm

ss

puffins crew · 05-01-2002, 03:40 PM

Ok John, I'll go by this evening. Any other word on where that guy saw a shad caught?? The first time I went out for FB's with puffin, we went on my buddys boat, the wally gator, and we used shad. Had some good sucess with big chunks of oily shad on a circle hook.

South Paw · 05-01-2002, 08:31 PM

Johnboy, that reel should be here this week no later then tuesday of next week.

South Paw · 05-01-2002, 08:40 PM

Sturgn, Have you received you Raptor line yet?? Does it feel like Tough line or that Power Pro line??? Let me know please. I need to get a couple thousand yards of line to fill these damn big reels and at 40.00 a K i'm willing to give it a try. Email me please at Houston@clanfuller.com and I'll give you a call.

Salmonator · 05-01-2002, 09:32 PM

I checked out the specs on the raptor stuff. Although it sounds like a great price, the diameter is a little bigger. If I read right, the 80# diameters are as follows: Raptor .025, Tuff+ .020, Powerpro .017. No big deal if you have a big reel (i'm a poet and didn't know it

) but I just set myself up with four penn 321's and don't think I can get 300 yards of .025 line on them. Isn't it amazing the trouble a guy will put himself through for something he'll really only need two or three times a year if he's lucky? [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

Threemuch · 05-02-2002, 07:37 AM

Guys, that raptor won't feel like PowerPro or Tuffline. It's thermally fused, not a braid. A good explaination of superlines can be found here.

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/chris12.htm

KB

Threemuch · 05-02-2002, 07:39 AM

an excerpt from the above website:

The term ‘Fusion’ comes from where the line is heated in manufacture, enabling the fibre's to become ‘fused’ together to some degree. This process removes many (but not all) of the problems found in the earlier varieties. But still, all was not resolved... Wind knots still caused problems if the caster was not ever vigilant to the amount of tension applied when slowing casts / retrieving these lines. Also common, was its tendency to fray. It seems these lines would start to get ‘furry’ after only a few sessions. This was a serious issue when you consider the cost of these lines. The ‘fusing’ aspect of these products seemed to solve the problem of ring wear also, but those nasty habits for knotting and tangles were still always present. The worst aspects to these ‘fused’ lines were their poor abrasion resistance.

I believe that the word fusion is misused in these products. (SpiderWire Fusion and Fireline) If you pull apart the line, you will find that the fibres in the structure are not fused with the exception perhaps of some fibres at the surface. They are coated with a plastic "skin" that binds the fibres together. The reason they get "Furry" is that the plastic skin is rubbed off the line, then the un-integrated fibres are exposed to every little abrasion and deteriorate quickly.

Incidentally, Spider Wire Fusion and Spectra lines should not be confused as being the same thing. Spectra line is soft and extremely flexible, whereas Spider Wire is stiff and hard, because its fibre's are ‘fused’ together by heat as explained above. SpiderWire Fusion is made with Spectra Fibres, but the fused lines are not braided. Braided structures tend to have better abrasion resistance sine the fibres are held in place through the braiding process.

South Paw · 05-02-2002, 08:09 AM

Thanks Kurt. What do you like??

Huey

South Paw · 05-02-2002, 08:11 AM

Kurt

Belay that last request I just read one of your ptrevious posts

sturgn · 05-02-2002, 05:25 PM

Hi guys,
Sorry been out of town for a couple of days, Looks like another can of worms got opened here huh? I decided to order this line on a trial bases and if after halibut season I done like it I will throw it out, only out a little, but if I like ot I will order more, I go through alot of tough line in a year, and it gets pretty spendy!
I have not got mine in yet, but as soon as I do I will let you guys know how it looks and feels, as far as casting ability goes, I am not sure but I dont EVER remember casting my Halibut or Tuna rig.
If any of you want to try it the guys name is Scott and his email is theulrichs@gci.net

8 more days!