$10 gallon Gas in three years?!

[letsfish]

They were talking about $10/gallon gas possibly in three years on the radio. I can't get out of my head how that would change things. What are your thoughts.
A few of mine...

• Massive inflation (to pay for gas, folks need more money, that costs everyone)
• End of suburbs as we know it.
• Medicine costs will go through the roof as many are petrol derivitives.
• Increase of the domestic manufacturing base. It will cost to much to import.
• Increase cost of everything petrol related and energy related.
• Ethanol popularity will make food even more expensive.

[Jflyer]

I would certainly hope that our ability to innovate will provide some alternative to $10/gal fuel.

[greenbuttskunk]

I'd love to be on of those "fat cats" in the oil business.

Hey, here's a thought. Maybe we will finally reach a point where something is done about alternative fuel sources, and we actually strive to use them.

I'll tell you what, at 10.00 per gallon, the US would be in a world of hurt.
Hope it's not reality for at least 10-15 years.

[HOOKUP]

production is lower this year than last year...Hello congress? Come back from the ball park!

I smell an enron energy crisis coming soon!

[Pink Salmon]

On last friday channel 12 news said the way everything is going by 2020 gas is going to be $35 gal. and i don't see that unrealalistic for some reason.

[Super Fluke]

I think if you don't want to see the prices go that high, you have to get the right person in the white house.

[Big TULE]

I am going to dump my whole retirement into big oil... Woohoo...

[Silver Hilton]

I'll be surprised if it goes that high, that fast. If gas were to hit $8 a gallon, people will start changing behavior, and demand will drop dramatically. We'll see the end of every other car on the road being an SUV or a pickup. We'll see RV'ing stop. We'll see better distribution networks minimizing the cost of food transport. We'll see a lot more virtual workplaces and meetings. These are all right on the edge of happening now, and this could tip us over into a new behavior paradigm.

You have to remember, $4/gal gas is only about as expensive, in real terms, as we saw in the oil crisis in the 70's. The world didn't end then, and it won't end now. But a lot of people started driving a lot more small cars.

[GraphiteZen]

The only thing people should do if gas gets anywhere near that high is riot in the streets. What a bunch of crap.

[sealgal2008]

Originally Posted by greenbuttskunk

I'd love to be on of those "fat cats" in the oil business.

Chances are that if you have any kind of retirement plan it is tied in some way to the oil business - most of us are one of those "fat cats" to some degree or another.

Betty

[Dave G]

For 8 years now I wondered when the oilman GB gets out of office, what would happen to the price of gas. But $10 a gal, man I hate seeing a grown man cry, lets keep a $4.00 for a while.

[RustySocket]

Originally Posted by Dave G

For 8 years now I wondered when the oilman GB gets out of office, what would happen to the price of gas. But $10 a gal, man I hate seeing a grown man cry, lets keep a $4.00 for a while.

Our fuel prices will continue to rise regardless. Doesn't seem to bother anyone around here.... the line at starbucks hasn't shortened a bit. People still drive 80+ on the freeway. Centralia still has a rush hour and you could walk anywhere in town you wanted to go yet no one does.

If it's as bad as the doomsdayers say it is, lets quit funding road projects (why continue if no one can afford to drive) and set a national 55mph limit again. Driving has become as much a form of recreation for some and this is simply "pay to play".

[otterduck1]

I guess I'm optimistic that we can come with alternative fuels for our vehicles, but here are a few other things to think about:

-Most of our gas is not made from Middle East Crude- try Venezuala.
-Most Middle East crude is made into plastics and fertilizers.
-So far the thought is that electric vehicles are green. That's dumb since at this time most of our electricity still comes from fossil fuels.
- The average bottle of shampoo and all of its contents are derived from middle east crude.
- For some reason no one mentions that at least in the mean-time there are other fossil fuels in quantity (LNG and Propane).
- My wife's uncle is an architect in San Diego and the last time i talked to him building codes still did not require insulation- naw those air conditioners don't suck up the juice or anything! Especially at a time of year when hydro is less in supply especially for our fish.
- How come no one mentions that most road surfaces are made from Petrol Products! Constant expansion is silly. I can't wait until only the rich can afford asphalt and the rest of urbania will have dirt and gravel. again.

[BentMetal]

While fossil fuels get a bad rap for global warming, pollution and everything else, what people don't fully realize is where we would be without them. Basically, fossil fuels give us our wealth, and they give us our leisure time. But they do even more than that! In my view, the fact that there is however many billions (eight, is it?) of people on the planet right now is a direct result of our putting to use fossil fuels for our benefit.

$10 a gallon for gas? If it happens, it doesn't bode well for the future.

[Fishingfanatic]

Originally Posted by Super Fluke

I think if you don't want to see the prices go that high, you have to get the right person in the white house.

Give me a few realistic examples of what exactly the president can do to lower prices? Some people just love to blame everyone.
Ever notice how many households own 3 or 4 cars, how many people do you see driving down the freeway in a large SUV by themselves? We have only ourselves to blame for this mess. The president, to my knowledge has not forced any one of us to buy large V8 powered SUV's or to all drive to work ourselves and not carpool.

[Blind Bobber]

The domino effect is mind boggling. The recreation industry would collapse. Who would buy an RV, boat, or even go camping? That's depressing.
BLIND BOBBER

[MsOutdrs]

The truckers in, I believe, France a number of years ago, drove their trucks into downtown Paris and just parked em in the middle of the streets. I'm thinking the truckers here may do something drastic. Think about it...if they stop moving commodoties, we are dead in the water. Can't blame em either.

I have a question that I keep hearing different answers to...what happened to the oil wells in Texas and Oklahoma? I understand they did not dry up. Anyone know the answer to that one? Found the answer myself...dry.

Also, if I remember correctly, when the current pres first got into office, he started pushing drilling in Alaska. AND..if this country was seriously trying to get away from dependency on foreign oil, they would l) come up with a GOOD viable alternative; or 2) sell better economy cars at a price that you aren't just trading your gas bill for a car payment. I'm not going into debt with a $300/month car payment to save money on gas.

[Smoked Salmon]

There are people that would argue against the unrestrained growth which resulted in those 8 billion people being able to survive on this planet. They need food, which doesn't come from petroleum, and that is a limited thing. Moreso now that we add corn-based ethanol to our fuel. I'm not sure that we won't be seeing a reduction in world population in the next 10-20 years, sort of a bunjie cord effect after these decades of growth.

[GraphiteZen]

If they really wanted to they could put a HUGE dent in our rate of fuel consumption by doing one thing:

New ignition chips in all new trucks and SUVs that increases mileage 2 to 5 miles a gallon, taking it from the performance. Bingo. Some trucks you could even get 10 . But of course they never will. To much politics and special interests.

[letsfish]

• Blind Bobber is right a complete collapse of the recreation industry. Think about it would go clamming fishing hunting if it cost you that much more? Well, if you are like me it would be a lot fewer fishing or clamming trips no day trips to fish or clam it would be the week of hitting the beach, fishing, etc.. That is if I could afford to hold on to a car.
• Think of the affect on smaller towns fewer folks visiting less outside revenue. Folks needing to move closer to work more folks needing to move from smaller communities.
• Goods and services will be more centralized.
• If not for many other reasons, the US will be reluctant to "get involved"- even siding with the good guy has a cost.
• Like otterduck1 said about road surfaces. the cost of building a road is going to be insane. Maybe a new type of surface?
• We can muse about this and get disappointed, its easy. Or we can see opportunity to meet the challenges. Whatever, it will be different!

[RascallyRabbit]

Selling our house here, and retiring/living full time in our house in Brazil is sounding better everyday. Wouldn't happen for a few more years, but looks like a real possibility. Only real issues are how to get my sled to Brazil, and are there any Yamaha dealers near Salvador, Bahia, Brazil???

Steve/RR

[bo4elk]

Well, the U.S oil companies are making the largest profits in history.

[Smoked Salmon]

Originally Posted by RascallyRabbit

Selling our house here, and retiring/living full time in our house in Brazil is sounding better everyday. Wouldn't happen for a few more years, but looks like a real possibility. Only real issues are how to get my sled to Brazil, and are there any Yamaha dealers near Salvador, Bahia, Brazil???

Steve/RR

DUMAR AV. FREDRICO PONTES, 1536 (TERREO)
COMERCIO - SALVADOR - BA
CEP 40015-350 FONE: (71) 3242-7346 - FAX: (71) 3242-7346 E-mail: cdumar@uol.com.br
The internets!

[GraphiteZen]

Originally Posted by RascallyRabbit

Only real issues are how to get my sled to Brazil....

Steve/RR

Drive it to Brazil!!

[drano100]

Why not start gasifying coal? Montana has been doing this small scale for years and produce synthetic oil at $55 a barrel. Their is enough coal in just Montana for gasification to supply our foreign oil dependency for the next 200 years. Yep we could be oil independent we have the means and the material already. It much cleaner then burning coal and the CO2 produced is then stored and pumped into old oil wells to charge the system and get them producing again.

[MsOutdrs]

Originally Posted by Smoked Salmon

There are people that would argue against the unrestrained growth which resulted in those 8 billion people being able to survive on this planet. They need food, which doesn't come from petroleum, and that is a limited thing. Moreso now that we add corn-based ethanol to our fuel. I'm not sure that we won't be seeing a reduction in world population in the next 10-20 years, sort of a bunjie cord effect after these decades of growth.

AND..if I'm not mistaken, we are now relying on food from other countries. I guess we didn't learn from dependency on foreign oil. In this area, we have stuck a gazillion homes on many acres of what was once fertile soil. NOW...the powers that be finally see what a mistake that was, i.e. rain run-off that has no where to go...no ground to absorb. People say that's progress...I say its "bs". But I digress..

[rob allen]

the price of gasoline is tied directly to the supply and the supply is manipulated. the vice president of Chevron is on record as saying that he is glad oil companies are being more disciplined about maintaining a lower supply... This crisis if of the oil industry making.. it is something they are doing to us.. In the 1980's there were nearly 400 refineries in the US, until recently there has only been one permit application to build any more and yet
there are less than 200 refineries currently operating. so nearly half our refineries are sitting there doing nothing... and the remaining ones are down for "routine" maintenance. Meanwhile we are buying petroleum for our national reserves at record high prices...

Gas prices are never going low ever again. We are at their mercy until we make oil useless by not using it.

as far as lifestyle My wife and I are trying to move closer to where we work because we can barely afford to drive our V6 Nissan pathfinder. my f-150 and my bass boat never move anymore. Cable TV is going away today and some other things too... Point is we are already tapped out.. all we do is work and the oil companies steal it right out of our pockets AND YOURS after all if i had a little of that money back I'd be spending it at the places where you all work..

they manufactured this crisis to they could steal your money.. point blank end of story...

[rob allen]

Originally Posted by drano100

Why not start gasifying coal? Montana has been doing this small scale for years and produce synthetic oil at $55 a barrel. Their is enough coal in just Montana for gasification to supply our foreign oil dependency for the next 200 years. Yep we could be oil independent we have the means and the material already. It much cleaner then burning coal and the CO2 produced is then stored and pumped into old oil wells to charge the system and get them producing again.

HELL NO!!! mining in Montana has already cost enough devastation better to have 10 dollar a gallon gas! Montana is to valuable as it is today..

[Chug]

wow, when you think about it. We are becoming the 3rd world country, depending on others for help. Since, we Overbuilt our Growing land, Killed every critter in the ecosystem. Yep, we are heading to a real bad Crash.
time for another Great War!.


WE are doomed!!!... Save the Beer!!.. Oh well, Time to plant a garden & Not buy junk food. Only Basic foods to support life!.

[drano100]

Originally Posted by rob allen

HELL NO!!! mining in Montana has already cost enough devastation better to have 10 dollar a gallon gas! Montana is to valuable as it is today..

Well thats nice for you, you live in Washington.


There are a lot of people in Montana that would like to see this happen, they would like the jobs and paycheck. Their governor is all for it with along the popular support of the citizens of the state. If you don’t like coal and tearing up Montana then legalize cannabis they could do the same thing as they can with coal and make synthetic oil at far less then $60 a barrel, there are options available to the USA its just a matter of thinking outside the box and keeping the oil lobbyist from stalling the process.

Or start drilling off the west coast and open up the north slope . Face it will take 20 years for us to completely change to another fuel source so we need something to help get us to that point.

[Thumper]

The law of supply and demand will still operate.

As the price of refined oil products climbs, alternatives become economically logical.

All that shale oil in the northern U.S. suddenly becomes a logical source as the price of gas continues to climb.

Ultimately we are headed towards a hydrogen economy. Hydrogen burns clean (making water), is ultimately cheap if enough cracking power is available, and total independence on middle east crude results.

How to get there the easiest way is pretty straightforward --- 165 new nuclear plants in the U.S. replace over 600 coal-fired plants, AND give enough electricity to make all the hydrogen you need to make the conversion. A side benefit for the greenies is a reduction 10% of the total CO2 dumped into the atmosphere, worldwide. Neat, eh?

Add a few more Yucca Mountain-type storage facilities for CLEAN storage, and you are set for decades, maybe hundreds of years.

It really is a friendly universe.

[rob allen]

drano100 I disagree if this country would make energy it's number one priority i believe we could have superb alternatives in 10 years easy... we put a man on the moon we could do this is we really tried.. American hasn't tried to do anything for decades...

[CATCH AND EAT]

I need a solar powered boat.

[Chrome Bumper]

No it well just be $7 a gallon. Of course the new gallon will be three liters. Solar powered boat? Solar heat causes the wind and someone invented a wind powered boat.

[Fish Jihad]

I bought myself a bike, moved near downtown, and bought stock in two start-up oil exploration companies in Canada. $10 gallon gas will make me a happy man.

[Cat n Tat's Dusky]

Who's to say if we do indeed start drilling elsewhere the oil companies won't just turn around and sell it to China and Russia?

10 bucks a gallon will kill this country. We are already having to charge a lot more money to haul the goods that you and I both use. Wait till summer when produce starts popping out of California. Loads going east will be paying 8-10 grand. Been grocery shopping lately????

Yet as I run across I-10 from Miami to San Antonio I see everybody in their Suburbans, and their F350 Diesel's with the 6" exhaust and the tuner chips blowing by me all day long doing 80. It isn't just the 4 wheelers either. I get those morons in their long nose Peterbilts running by me so fast it shakes a moving truck.....getting 4 miles per gallon, crying like children on the CB.

My brother just told Chrysler Financial to come get his 1500 Dodge truck. He was getting 8 miles per gallon, and spending 150 bucks a week in fuel. When I asked him just how fast do you drive to get 8 mpg, he said 75-80.

I'd rather do 60 and keep my truck.

I can run a fully loaded 18 wheeler at 58 mph and get close to what he was getting in a pick up!

[fish_on]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Ultimately we are headed towards a hydrogen economy. Hydrogen burns clean (making water), is ultimately cheap if enough cracking power is available, and total independence on middle east crude results. Add in solor power to go with the hydrogen and I'm with you.

How to get there the easiest way is pretty straightforward --- 165 new nuclear plants in the U.S. replace over 600 coal-fired plants, AND give enough electricity to make all the hydrogen you need to make the conversion. A side benefit for the greenies is a reduction 10% of the total CO2 dumped into the atmosphere, worldwide. Neat, eh?

Add a few more Yucca Mountain-type storage facilities for CLEAN storage, and you are set for decades, maybe hundreds of years.

It really is a friendly universe.

It would be great to see a bunch of new nuke plants, I really miss the Trojan tower.

September 25, 2007 NRG Energy will file an application with regulators on Tuesday to build two new nuclear reactors in Texas, the first such request in the United States in 29 years, the company said Monday.

[Steelhead Stalker6]

What I dont understand is if an oil company can make 40.7 BILLION dollars in "PROFITS" in one QUATER thats right 1 quarter thats $40 billion in PROFITS in 3 months!

NOW you tell me how can you be hurting on oil production and make that kind of money?

How can any company make 40 billion in profits in 3 months and say prices are so high because of slow/low production?

I will tell you the oil titans realize the world as of now can not operate without fuel! so why not charge an arm and a leg and make 40 billion, as of now they can charge what they want because everyone HAS to pay for it! thats why, they know they have a product the world needs and so they can charge what they want!

You think our government cares? you think they will step in? HAHAHA dont kid yourself the higher the prices the happier they are.....GAS TAX ring a bell?

Oh and you say why not tap into our oil reserves? oh that will happen but not until gas is $10 a gallon so our government can make as much as possible!

Here is another question why is it one gas station will have a gas price of lets say $3.59 and the exact same company/brand maybe 5 miles away will be $3.69? they say its because of cost of delivering the fuel to different stations but if thats the case then why are the exact same stations in the midwest or in Idaho or Montana in the exact same range?

Its because they base the price upon residential average income, if you can afford to pay a higher price they are going to charge more! Just pay attention to prices in areas like West Linn, Lake O, Happy Valley, then look at prices in areas like SE Portland, N portland tell me you dont see a difference!

Oh here is another thing, why is it they charge more money by using a debit/credit card? and call it a "convienence fee" hahaha thats the funniest thing I have ever heard, because the money/funds are directly pulled from your account and put into there account, they have to do nothing! by paying cash they actually have to record the amount of money an d transfer it to the bank, the real reason is because they know 95% of consumers use plastic, so why not make more right!


THIS ALL MAKES ME SICK because we the people are being absolutely ***** by oil titans and our government! Then on top of it the oil companies have the ***** to sit there and make TV commercials like they are all for a good cause and for the people and here to do good! yeah well if so then explain $40 billion in profits in 3 months!!!!!

[fish_on]

Because you really don't want the government to start deciding how much profit you can make.

I do agree that for the good of the country and the economy they should forgo record profits for a while.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by letsfish

What are your thoughts.
...

We'll attempt to make Iraq and Iran our 51st and 52nd states (whether they like it or not!).

[Fish_N_Russ]

it will never get to $10 a gallon.......maybe $5 but after that demand would be so much lower they would have to lower the price to cope.

[happybrew]

While all of you are paying those high gas prices, I am driving a plug-in electric car. It costs me 1-2 cents per mile. It takes care of 80% of my driving needs, and keeps up with city traffic. It's really ugly looking, and my co-workers make fun of me, but it gets the job done. Zero gas. I don't buy into the global warming thing, and I think carbon credits are..., well, something I should be selling..., but I'll take cheap transportation any day. The vehicle will pay for itself in six years or less in fuel savings. Possibly in as little as three or four, if gas prices continue to rise. I will actually be able to afford the gas to go fishing this summer, when gas hits its peak, because I won't be using it for lesser things like going to work.

happybrew

[freespool]

Originally Posted by fish_on

Because you really don't want the government to start deciding how much profit you can make.

I do agree that for the good of the country and the economy they should forgo record profits for a while.

The government decides how much profit electric energy companies can make, they also make the call on natural gas companies.
Me thinks they will be making the call on the oil companies very soon, like in about 10 months.

[otterduck1]

Originally Posted by drano100

Why not start gasifying coal? Montana has been doing this small scale for years and produce synthetic oil at $55 a barrel. Their is enough coal in just Montana for gasification to supply our foreign oil dependency for the next 200 years. Yep we could be oil independent we have the means and the material already. It much cleaner then burning coal and the CO2 produced is then stored and pumped into old oil wells to charge the system and get them producing again.

I'm glad we don't have hardly coal here. If we did and coal was the answer you could kiss the salmon good-buy. No offense, but have you ever been to coal country?

[GraphiteZen]

Originally Posted by happybrew

While all of you are paying those high gas prices, I am driving a plug-in electric car. It costs me 1-2 cents per mile. It takes care of 80% of my driving needs, and keeps up with city traffic. It's really ugly looking, and my co-workers make fun of me, but it gets the job done. Zero gas. I don't buy into the global warming thing, and I think carbon credits are..., well, something I should be selling..., but I'll take cheap transportation any day. The vehicle will pay for itself in six years or less in fuel savings. Possibly in as little as three or four, if gas prices continue to rise. I will actually be able to afford the gas to go fishing this summer, when gas hits its peak, because I won't be using it for lesser things like going to work.

happybrew

Whoa, that is something I have never thought of. A person who drives an electric car but doesn't believe in global warming. I should forward this to FOX. They would eat it up for sure.

[GraphiteZen]

Originally Posted by otterduck1

I'm glad we don't have hardly coal here. If we did and coal was the answer you could kiss the salmon good-buy. No offense, but have you ever been to coal country?

And... Amen to that. I like my water clear, my teeth white and my skin a nice peachy color (during the off season when it's not tanned).

[otterduck1]

Originally Posted by happybrew

While all of you are paying those high gas prices, I am driving a plug-in electric car. It costs me 1-2 cents per mile. It takes care of 80% of my driving needs, and keeps up with city traffic. It's really ugly looking, and my co-workers make fun of me, but it gets the job done. Zero gas. I don't buy into the global warming thing, and I think carbon credits are..., well, something I should be selling..., but I'll take cheap transportation any day. The vehicle will pay for itself in six years or less in fuel savings. Possibly in as little as three or four, if gas prices continue to rise. I will actually be able to afford the gas to go fishing this summer, when gas hits its peak, because I won't be using it for lesser things like going to work.

happybrew

Its dang refreshing to hear about someone pickin one of these for economics instead of bleeding heart ignorance.

[GraphiteZen]

Originally Posted by otterduck1

Its dang refreshing to hear about someone pickin one of these for economics instead of bleeding heart ignorance.

At this point, you can't prove that it's warming and you can't prove that it isn't so "ignorance" I think may not really be applicable.

[otterduck1]

Originally Posted by GraphiteZen

At this point, you can't prove that it's warming and you can't prove that it isn't so "ignorance" I think may not really be applicable.

I'll tell you something. I believe in global warming (an average-not regional) so climate change is appropriate. My use of ignorance was innuendo and would have been better versed as ignorant bliss- a reference to those who I meet that think that by driving an EV that they don't use oil. Never mind the fact that hydro and wind is still a small contributor to the grid, and that plastic on the dash comes from Saudi Arabia.

Oh and that smiley face gace me a good laugh!

[crobarr]

Originally Posted by Fish_N_Russ

it will never get to $10 a gallon.......maybe $5 but after that demand would be so much lower they would have to lower the price to cope.

sure about that? i seem to recall a REQUIRED reduction in the use of water in portland some years ago. they then turned around and raised the cost of water because they had to "make up for the drop in water usage" or some such crap.

i need to get a horse.......

[StinkyH]

Originally Posted by happybrew

While all of you are paying those high gas prices, I am driving a plug-in electric car. It costs me 1-2 cents per mile. It takes care of 80% of my driving needs, and keeps up with city traffic. It's really ugly looking, and my co-workers make fun of me, but it gets the job done. Zero gas. I don't buy into the global warming thing, and I think carbon credits are..., well, something I should be selling..., but I'll take cheap transportation any day. The vehicle will pay for itself in six years or less in fuel savings. Possibly in as little as three or four, if gas prices continue to rise. I will actually be able to afford the gas to go fishing this summer, when gas hits its peak, because I won't be using it for lesser things like going to work.

happybrew

Which model?

[Pinecone]

Haven't we been spoiled with cheap gas prices for years? I've heard that in places like Europe they've been paying $7-$8 a gallon for a long time.... my point is, if here in the states it goes up to $8-$10 bucks a gallon, we'll just be on par with the rest of the world!

[WoundedTuna]

Possibly $1/gallon "green" gas? I hope so.

NSF-funded researchers at UMass Amherst just completed the first direct conversion from cellulose using a new method of hydrocarbon refining, which they claim can be commercialized within 5-10 years and essentially make fuel out of anything that grows. The process is running at about 50% efficiency now; the $1/gallon figure is based on getting to 100%.

[gr8outdoors]

This article gives some good insight on several things everyone has touched on. Kind of interesting the EIA thinks "gas will stay above 2.70 a gallon until 2010". What happens in 2010? We finally get some regulation??

http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/11/news...tion/index.htm

[fish_on]

Originally Posted by Pinecone

Haven't we been spoiled with cheap gas prices for years? I've heard that in places like Europe they've been paying $7-$8 a gallon for a long time.... my point is, if here in the states it goes up to $8-$10 bucks a gallon, we'll just be on par with the rest of the world!

I am so tired of hearing the "Europe has been paying high price for years" argument. Look at that $7 gas and see how much of it is TAX. In Europe, nearly 66 percent of the price is tax, thus, if you take out the European taxes, they would pay about what we pay in the USA.

[fish_on]

Also didn't we fight a war with Britain a long time a go so we wouldn't have to be like Europe??

[Pinecone]

Originally Posted by fish_on

I am so tired of hearing the "Europe has been paying high price for years" argument. Look at that $7 gas and see how much of it is TAX. In Europe, nearly 66 percent of the price is tax, thus, if you take out the European taxes, they would pay about what we pay in the USA.

Okay, I stand corrected. I never said I actually knew what I was talking about.

- Joseph

[happybrew]

Originally Posted by StinkyH

Which model?

Zap Xebra sedan.

[BentMetal]

I get tired of hearing about the European gas prices as well. Not only do they pay mostly taxes, but the way their country has developed over two thousand years versus the way that this part of our country has developed over a little over 100 years (here on the west coast) makes it a comparison between apples and oranges.

In other words, Great Brittain is about the size of Oregon, but they have 50 million people, while we have 3 million. With only 3 million people, it leaves a lot more space to drive around to (waterfalls, crater lake, the coast, eastern Oregon), while in England, that many people makes public transportation that much more sensible.

[yankemnbankem]

Hey Greenbutt Brad, Maybe you and I should talk over dinner about possibly turning vinyl waste into gas! We may have something here. Buy a sign and get 5 miles worth of gas FREE! Might be big wigs after all.