Impact Poll

[Pilar]

This is a stab at estimating economic impact for recreational fishing. This question is raised at Marine reserve meetings and no one has an answer. We all know it is alot but no proof is ever offered. WE could let them shut down the coast or we can go to the meetings with numbers in hand. Yeah, I know this is not a scientific study but it is a rough guess and better than arm waving at the meeting.

You don't have to admit how much you spend with your name attached so that will keep you out of the doghouse at home. Any boat owner/operators that fish in the ocean .. I would appreciate a few minutes of your time.

Think carefully and add up all your boat related expenses for the year and average that into a monthly amount. This includes boat payment, storage, insurance, mooring, fuel, other operating costs, repairs, toys and towing it. Divide this into

1) Spent at the coast

and

2) All else

For now I'll poll you on the average monthly you spend on operating your boat. If you are a rider then wait for the next poll. We'll get to the breakdown of valley vs coast later.

Thanking you in advance.

[tunarookie]

with boat pymet gas tckle truck bait time off work total expenses are right around 1500to 1700a month depending how far the tuna are and without splitting cost

[lingslayer]

Do I include the cost of the interior/top/engine/fuel system/wiring/gauges/accessory/fish storage refurb I am in the process of?

Or just the cost of towing and using it when finished?

[Tip-Sea]

I'm not as big of a spender as most. (Old boat is paid for) I'm not there alot in the winter. I would average it out about $300 a month spent in Newport, and $450 a month total. Thats probably a very conservative esimate but I think I might break down if I realize how much I really spend.

[Mypursuit]

***EDITED at 10:10PM**
First and foremost:

Is my significant other gonna see this poll?

Ok, ok. Well my boats are all paid for. But with gas, insurance, maintenance, electronic and mechanical upgrades I think I spend just a little over $500/month****...

The bulk of that is at the coast. I purposely shifted my boat and trailer service to Tillamook and Garibaldi to help support their economy. Same goes for the truck that tows the boats.

****Edit**** I just happened to have my '06 and '07 books laid out for some ridiculous IRS thing, so I at least had some fun tonight

'06 - $624.56 per month (Approx $570 at the coast)
'07 - $640.34 per month (Approx $600 at the coast)

'08 - will be higher - I have already replaced my steering, regeared for TUNA and Halibut and now carry 47 gals of gas

I waited until she went to bed to do this...

[chrome obsession]

Originally Posted by Mypursuit

First and foremost:

Is my significant other gonna see this poll?

Ok, ok. Well my boats are all paid for. But with gas, insurance, maintenance, electronic and mechanical upgrades I think I spend just a little over $500/month...

The bulk of that is at the coast. I purposely shifted my boat and trailer service to Tillamook and Garibaldi to help support their economy. Same goes for the truck that tows the boats.

I agree, hope the wife doesn't for some odd reason see this....

My Arima is paid off so just fuel and maint. is all I pay for.......Right now I would say just about $500 a month to fish....

[Triple C]

Easy 1k+ a month at the coast (fuel moorage food ice)
Another 650 in payment and insurance.
200 more getting back and forth to the coast.
Ouch I just figured out where all my money goes each summer.

[Tinman]

$420/month at the coast, including the boat payment which is at a coastal bank.

An additional $50/month away from the coast, mainly for tackle

[Grizzly II]

Ouch. $900 a month minimum.

[ron m]

Close to 1500 per month when gas, storage, toys, and repairs to boat, motor and trailer are included. Fortunately a good portion of this is offset for me personally by crew contributions for gas.

Another 100 or so a month for tackle that isn't bought at the coast.

Another couple of hundred for lodging, groceries, and meals at the coast for multiple day trips.

And plus an average of about a 100 a month for diesel and truck maintainence and that will be going up this year as diesel has increased significantly in price. probably the amount at the coast will go up significantly also because of the increased cost of gas for the boat.

ron m

[sarmstrong]

600 amonth and i dont have a boat payment

[iptmike]

Easy $3000 per month. 6 months at coast, 6 in Portland area.

[tracker]

$2000 to 2500! Not good to look at it like this though.

[jamescaird]

While doing some research a while back on the economic impact of the sport fishing industry vs. the commercial fishing industry I came across estimates for what you're looking for.It's been a while but I think the NSIA was the source. Their website doesn't have a search feature but there is a number for their main office.Might be worth a try.

[Freakwater]

I don't even own a salty boat and conservatively I spend $10k a year on my fishing habit. I'd say, easily, more than half of that is spent on salty pursuits. That may start to change though......

Freakwater

[little doc]

Boat ownership is roughly 10% of the cost of the boat...

DO NOT SHOW THIS TO MY WIFE!!!

couple a thou a month.

[stream]

Don’t have to worry the wife finds out she’s half of the problem. The family spends more money just doing things at the coast while I fish. Not including the house we have there and the taxes we pay Depoe Bay $1500.00 $2000.00 does this include what we gamble at the casino o god I need to stay home I could retire early but cant catch fish at home thanks Pilar now have really lost it and I still haven’t caught a TUNA yet ……..

[drhall99]

Here is a great report that includes a breakdown by state total and for freshwater and salwater alone.

http://asafishing.org/asa/images/sta...s/SIA_2008.pdf

[tunaorlater]

This is a set up! My wife has hacked into Pilar's account and posted this message,she will contact the spouses of all that respond!

On a serious note I easily spend 700 bucks a month to fish....

[Grizzly II]

OK, Forgot about Breakfast at Shirley's, Trips to Harry's and Englunds and moorage for the boat in Newport. Add another $400 Average for that. Then there is the Swap Meet this weekend. $1300 a month with $600 going to the coast Economy.

And no tuna in Oregon yet.

Originally Posted by Arima Grizzly

Ouch. $900 a month minimum.

[reelselfish]

wow, never sat down and added it up before.... boat,ins,fuel,bait,truck fuel,camp sites,launch fees,transient dock, I know theres more and I am only in Newport may-sep..... around..$1700 for 2cd week of July around $600 a month for the others not counting food toys outlet mall the list goes on and on fish 4 months hard pay 8 months to be able to do it again.. this is just coast add all the other fisheries, like I started with WOW.. feel a little sick now

[FINZ]

I'm about $800 per month. About 1/2 of that is at the coast, the other half is in portland.

[cruiseship]

Spent at the coast 12 month average – $750
I try to support the local economy and buy all my tackle and food in Newport
The average trip would also include
Boat gas from the gas dock
Bait, ice, and misc purchases from South Beach store
Rogue beers
South Beach camping
Moorage
Trailer storage at Newport RV

One more item is what the crew spends. Typical trip will bring 3 crew members into South Beach to fish with me for a couple of days. Not sure what they spend per trip

All else 12 month average - $3000
The boat is paid for but this year included 21K for new motor and rigging and 6K in transom repairs
Insurance
Diesel for the pickup and camper
Misc repairs and upgrades on the boat
Misc tackle not available in Newport
Boat and trailer license

stevej

[Pilar]

Stunning, Eh?

The OPB guys have it figured out IMHO. Boat ownership is expensive. Why own a boat when you can just ride with someone else? It was not my intention to bum anyone out. My point is this. We are spending money and supporting the local economy. Whether that is near where you live or as some of you say at the beach to support those towns.

How do you think this money spent will change when we are locked out of our playground by Marine reserves? How will that affect the towns and people along the coast?

[Mypursuit]

Sorry. I don't mean to repeat here but this really caused me to think. The monies I spent in the last 2 years are the funds I can identify out of pocket that were directly boat related. I didn't think to include any of the costs associated with the house in Netarts. If I include that then I'm easily $1000+ per month.

Also, I did not include any estimates of crew "costs". There are plenty of times that we pull in to top off the tank and everyone else's cash or credit cards come out. They also regularly pay for bait, food, and drinks. (beer can get expensive while we're cleaning & BBQ'g fish)

Then there is their gas costs from Portland or Seattle to Netarts.

Finally, since I've got a smaller boat, I tend to hang within 10 -12 miles. If they MR the reefs off Oceanside, I either get a bigger boat or I move. Depending on the year I may have to move and that may mean off of the coast.

[Herring Problem]

I plead the 5th here!



Way over 1500 a month`

[stream]

With what Pilar and Mypursuit our saying in this and what a lot of other has shown in what they spent. Sure looks like the state of Oregon is just keeping up with what they have been doing in the last 10 year. And that is pushing money away from there state just like what they have done with large corporations like GP head quarters gone Just makes me sick to look at the money they are taking away from our state well easy come easy go

[Dye-Hard]

970$ monthly All year: payment, insurance, moorage.

Bait, tackle, snacks, and fuel for boat and rig are averaged out over 12 months. We start fishin mid May and quite mid November.

I grew up in Tillamook County my family and freinds are still there so I dont have the cost of Motels or dry storage.

Ive seen firsthand the effects that the out of town folks have on the little communities.

When Aufdey can make more money selling the privilage of fishin on his ground than farmin. Why bother with farmin but if theres no fishin?

We have allbut made our minds up on going else where. I hate to give up on home but they dont give you much choice.

We found else where by the way. Chinook, Coho, Chum, Halibut in 80', Lingcod, Tuna, prawns, crab, Oysters, steamers you name it. If anyone is interested let me know.

[Phil Layer]

Apparently, you guys didn't get the memo.

The money you spend on gas for the boat and the gas for the truck that pulls it DOES NOT COUNT. There is no point in adding it up since it DOES NOT COUNT anyway.

[Reel Song]

Have two boats, fish 6months out of the year , March, april, may approx. $3,300.00 per month June ,July, August $5,100 per month. this includes liscensing, insurance. bait , tackel ,fuel maintenance, motel rooms, meals. this is based on 07 taxes

[onaga]

Totals:

Paid for boat $0
Maintenance from cost report: $7000
Fuel 13 x 80 gal x$3.00 = $3120 (for boat only)
Ice $400
Lodging cost $0
Fishing/Boating Equipment
Purchased at coast $2000

$1043/month on the coast

[spinnergal]

Originally Posted by Reel Song

Have two boats, fish 6months out of the year , March, april, may approx. $3,300.00 per month June ,July, August $5,100 per month. this includes liscensing, insurance. bait , tackel ,fuel maintenance, motel rooms, meals. this is based on 07 taxes

Just wondering if I'm missing something? what might this have to do with a persons 07 taxes-
I'm fairly certain the only thing my CPA takes into account is the mortgage interest we pay on our 2nd home in Depoe-
heaven knows we pay alot---
Maybe I don't know how to list the other expenses...................??

thanks-
SG

[Mypursuit]

Originally Posted by spinnergal

Just wondering if I'm missing something? what might this have to do with a persons 07 taxes-
I'm fairly certain the only thing my CPA takes into account is the mortgage interest we pay on our 2nd home in Depoe-
heaven knows we pay alot---
Maybe I don't know how to list the other expenses...................??

thanks-
SG

Oops. I thought I could write it off as an office since I get caught out there enough times by clients...

Seriously, I don't know about the others but being self employed I go through my business and personal check registers each year for legitimate expenses etc. Since I had them out I just went back through them for everything I could ID as fishing related...

[Puffin]

Hey Jon when I was at one of the meetings in astoria with you several years ago the figure of 500 mil economic impact for saltwater fishing in oregon was given when I brought the subject up. This was their number and they admitted it was probably low.

[HugeDuckFan]

Since I'm on a Sales Call, it's ALMOST all deductible anyway...right Stickfish? I hesitate to even add the costs up per month, my costs in the past 4 months along have been staggering and I can count the fish caught on 1 finger in that time.

[Mypursuit]

Originally Posted by HugeDuckFan

Since I'm on a Sales Call, it's ALMOST all deductible anyway...right Stickfish? I hesitate to even add the costs up per month, my costs in the past 4 months along have been staggering and I can count the fish caught on 1 finger in that time.

Dang! I've been watching this thread from the beginning just to see what you'd post...

I think I know what Stickfish might say.... I gotta feeling you better keep my card handy if you're righting off Sales Call

[Whosit]

You got to be kiddddddding, fishing is everything. Acquired 2nd residence, boat, at the coast, taxes, fuel, tackle maintance on both. Priceless

[Maverick Maxcat]

My expenses were over 30k last year, without a boat payment! There's no way I could keep the boat going without chartering.

[Foreel]

1200-1500....and I live on the coast!!!--WOW--wish I hadn't started thinking like that --yahooo you only live once..last two days I bought a new 2-speed..300.00---6 new rods at 620.00 bucks..getting new bait tank @ about 750.00-and new flo-scan at almost 200.00--It aint cheap but its worth it...to fill the tank in the boat is over 400.00--blew a wheel bearing on sat...seals and all --what we will do for our tunaddiction....

[exgamey]

Expensive hobby: 6 months/ year at Charleston

Boat Insurance $615/ year
RV Space $365/ Month
WiFi $35/ Month
Boat Moorage $760/ year
Boat Fuel $3000/ year
Travel $75/ month
Purchase & Install electronics $4200/ this year
Boat canvas $650/ this year
Boat Maint. $800/ year

But we have FUN!

[tomictime]

$2 to ______some unmentionable amount..., most in BC (that coast), and the truck and boat are both paid for.

..but we could be spending our $$$ and TIME..and LIFE !!..doing something like bowling...

oh, it's BOWLING
Everything but Bowling is just filler
the gutter is not your friend
Bowling clothes are forever
never leave pins to find other BIGGER pins
How am I going to fit this life raft and survival suit and EPIRB in this bowling bag?
and my favorite:
I bet my 4X4 Dodge Cummins can haul more bowling crap to the lanes than your 2X Hemi
Can I get to the Bowling ranch in a beater VW with no heat, radio and if I have never bowled before?
Does anybody have coordinates to the bowling ranch?
Any open seats for a bowl ho?

[fyshndad]

Originally Posted by tomictime

$2 to ______some unmentionable amount..., most in BC (that coast), and the truck and boat are both paid for.

..but we could be spending our $$$ and TIME..and LIFE !!..doing something like bowling...

oh, it's BOWLING
Everything but Bowling is just filler
the gutter is not your friend
Bowling clothes are forever
never leave pins to find other BIGGER pins
How am I going to fit this life raft and survival suit and EPIRB in this bowling bag?
and my favorite:
I bet my 4X4 Dodge Cummins can haul more bowling crap to the lanes than your 2X Hemi
Can I get to the Bowling ranch in a beater VW with no heat, radio and if I have never bowled before?
Does anybody have coordinates to the bowling ranch?
Any open seats for a bowl ho?

JD that is hilarious

[Pilar]

Me, I like golf. I don't actually golf but all those guys that do are not fishing.

[Whosit]

Originally Posted by Whosit

You got to be kiddddddding, fishing is everything. Acquired 2nd residence, boat, at the coast, taxes, fuel, tackle maintance on both. Priceless

I failed to add..............friends and family visiting how much do they spend? they probably wouldn't show go to the coast if there isn't a fishing attraction. If marine reserves and other closuresfrom power making attempts and ODFW we will sell property and move 2nd residence to a more fishing friendly area. Question last time I heard they couldn't find the power machine that sunk off the coast. Have they found it yet?????