odfw-birth control elk

[twolabs]

has anyone else heard about odfw giving birth control to elk around anthony lakes because the herds are getting to large?
my son is a teacher in la grande and it was supposed to be in a paper over there. if this is true we should do everything we can to stop this or elk hunts will soon become a thing of the past.

[CombinationLicense]

I was just waiting for this one to come around. There's thread after thread posted here discussing the causes of our declining big game herds, yet the animal rights activists want more. Hunter numbers, opportunity and harvest are all down as a result of them replacing the human predator with natural predators via Ballot Measure 18, yet the animal rights activists want more. The hunting community is fractured with every discipline fighting for their little piece to be the "last to go", yet the animal rights activists want more.

Yep, you guessed it - CL is on the proverbial soap box again! This concept has been around for a while and I believe that they even got it implemented back east somewhere. It's time to wake up hunters! This might sound completely outlandish and inconceivable (because it is outlandish and inconceivable), but it's on their agenda and ready to be spoon feed to the sheeple willing to jump on the bandwagon. Remember, we once thought they would never be able to outlaw hunting cougars & bears with dogs too! Read this and weep....

A Humane Alternative
There are 30 million deer in the U.S., and because hunting has been an ineffective method to “control” populations (one Pennsylvania hunter “manages” the population and attracts deer by clearing his 600-acre plot of wooded land and planting corn), some wildlife agencies are considering other management techniques.(29,30) Several recent studies suggest that sterilization is an effective, long-term solution to overpopulation. A method called TNR (trap, neuter, and return) has been tried on deer in Ithaca, N.Y., and an experimental birth-control vaccine is being used on female deer in Princeton, N.J.(31,32) One Georgia study of 1,500 white-tailed deer on Cumberland Island concluded that “if females are captured, marked, and counted, sterilization reduces herd size, even at relatively low annual sterilization rates.

"CL"

[johndeeregreen]

Leave it to Gov. officials and the eco. freaks.

[Blackbeardown]

I would seriously hope this is just vicious rumor...don't get your drawers in a wad just yet. Let the facts come out. Seems too flat out ridiculous to be true.

[twolabs]

Originally Posted by Blackbeardown

I would seriously hope this is just vicious rumor...don't get your drawers in a wad just yet. Let the facts come out. Seems too flat out ridiculous to be true.

i hope your right. i will try and call odfw tomorrow.

[Limbhanger]

Originally Posted by twolabs

i hope your right. i will try and call odfw tomorrow.

Let us all know what you find out. It is hard to imagine, but if they really are kicking it around we can put together a letter writing campaign.

[No Fences]

It's hard enough without all the idiots and ignorants getting involved.

[Limbhanger]

The animal rights movement is a lot bigger than most people think in Oregon. They are involved in road blocking every aspect of our predator programs, and will be getting more involved with all aspects of wildlife management. When they aren't filing law suits they are threating to file law suits, or introducing legislation, or writing thousands of letters. They put up a constant pressure on a local and state level that the hunting community is not willing to match. The hunters in Oregon have proved that they dont have the interest or fortitude to battle these groups. OHA does the best they can, but blaming them when we end up losing portions of our hunting tradition is wrong. We need to blame ourselves for not participating in the fight.

[CombinationLicense]

I honestly doubt that there is a viable "Birth Control" proposal on ODFW's table at this time. However, I know that it's been thrown out in ODFW public comment sessions and that it's one alternative that the Anti's are pushing to illustrate why the State doesn't "need" hunters. Of course, their argument ignores the fact that hunters fund the ODFW which cares for ALL the State's wildlife but they don't care.

Their agenda really isn't about "saving the animals" at all. No, it's about control and pushing their narrow minded minority view of life on the rest of society. It's not just hunting they're after - it's ranching, animal farming, pet ownership, rodeos, dog competitions of any kind, eating meat and animal use in general! Facts are the farthest thing from their arguments - spewing misinformation, hype and emotion invoking rhetoric is what they do best. All designed to sway the masses that have been taught not to think for the last 20-30 years.

Any hunter that has 20 years in the field under their belt knows firsthand the changes that have come about in the last 15 years. Look forward 15 more years and ask yourself if "your" kind of hunting will still be alive by then? Bowhunters? Waterfowlers? Uplanders that use dogs? You're the next three targets.....

"CL"

[ehunter]

This has been proven over and over again scientifically that this does not work in every case this has been tried Florida is one area that comes to mind they had to bring in marksmen to take them out. It is a fairy dream and some one should call and ask the OFWD about this. They will probably laugh.

Originally Posted by CombinationLicense

I honestly doubt that there is a viable "Birth Control" proposal on ODFW's table at this time. However, I know that it's been thrown out in ODFW public comment sessions and that it's one alternative that the Anti's are pushing to illustrate why the State doesn't "need" hunters. Of course, their argument ignores the fact that hunters fund the ODFW which cares for ALL the State's wildlife but they don't care.

Their agenda really isn't about "saving the animals" at all. No, it's about control and pushing their narrow minded minority view of life on the rest of society. It's not just hunting they're after - it's ranching, animal farming, pet ownership, rodeos, dog competitions of any kind, eating meat and animal use in general! Facts are the farthest thing from their arguments - spewing misinformation, hype and emotion invoking rhetoric is what they do best. All designed to sway the masses that have been taught not to think for the last 20-30 years.

Any hunter that has 20 years in the field under their belt knows firsthand the changes that have come about in the last 15 years. Look forward 15 more years and ask yourself if "your" kind of hunting will still be alive by then? Bowhunters? Waterfowlers? Uplanders that use dogs? You're the next three targets.....

"CL"

[Old Goat]

If you think the animal rights groups are strong now, just wait for the liberal outcome of the upcoming election. Everything from global warming and all the spin off issues that involves to world piece through trying to decide why people dont like us. You never solve anything trying to get someone to like you. I didnt mean to get off onto world politics, but keeping this at home and on topic...the opposition will be enboldened by a liberal victory and we better be ready for a fight!!!

[CombinationLicense]

Originally Posted by ehunter

This has been proven over and over again scientifically that this does not work in every case this has been tried Florida is one area that comes to mind they had to bring in marksmen to take them out. It is a fairy dream and some one should call and ask the OFWD about this. They will probably laugh.

No disrespect intended ehunter but ODFW laughed at Ballot Measure 18 too. Nobody thought it would pass, that it was just a wacked out idea and it would surely go down in flames... 15 years later, here we sit with our deer and elk suffering and hunters dropping like flies. Now that they also have the wolf victory in their pocket, we are realistically one more hit from losing all hunting in Oregon. I just can't justify dismissing any of their agenda at this point, no matter how insignificant it appears.

BTW - What if the HSUS funded a ballot initiative next fall, one designed to ban bow hunting and along with it launched a massive media mis-information campaign. What would happen? It's apparent from many of the threads on IFISH that some rifle hunters would vote for it because of their feelings about competing with archery hunters for trophy animals. Other hunters that don't bow hunt wouldn't vote at all because it "doesn't affect them", and after watching the graphic videos that the HSUS would put in their TV ads the masses would buy into it as violent and unethical for sure.

It's troubling to think about but realistically it is a possibility, and without bow hunters at their side how long would rifle hunting hold out?



"CL"

[garyk]

Originally Posted by Old Salt

...., just wait for the liberal outcome of the upcoming election. !!!

Old Salt, are you a prophet? I sure hope your prediction is right! Than we might start investing in AMERICA again and doing what's right for AMERICANS!

[CombinationLicense]

Originally Posted by garyk

Old Salt, are you a prophet? I sure hope your prediction is right! Than we might start investing in AMERICA again and doing what's right for AMERICANS!

C'mon guys, everybody already knows which side of the isle the Anti's come from so let's not get the thread closed due to politics.

"CL"

[OutdoorBum]

Maybe we could institute a sterilization program for poachers so they can't spread their genes...might as well throw pedophiles into that "herd" too...

[Joe]

Originally Posted by CombinationLicense

BTW - What if the HSUS funded a ballot initiative next fall, one designed to ban bow hunting and along with it launched a massive media mis-information campaign. What would happen? It's apparent from many of the threads on IFISH that some rifle hunters would vote for it because of their feelings about competing with archery hunters for trophy animals. Other hunters that don't bow hunt wouldn't vote at all because it "doesn't affect them", and after watching the graphic videos that the HSUS would put in their TV ads the masses would buy into it as violent and unethical for sure.

It's troubling to think about but realistically it is a possibility, and without bow hunters at their side how long would rifle hunting hold out?



"CL"

This should be mandatory reading for everybody that buys a hunting license! Very well said.

I think we need to fight for laws that eliminate voter approved ballot measures that override professional game management. Why set around waiting for the next battle that we are probably going to lose?

[Limbhanger]

To keep things from getting too political I wont mention any names, but there is only one viable senator running for president that belongs to the United States Sportsmans Caucus and has publicly stated his postion regarding support in favor of the hunting and outdoor lifestyle.

Im thinking mandatory birth control for the animal rights extremists makes a lot more sense.

[ehunter]

My point is that is there is no way this can work not that antis can't suggest it because they have screwed up so many times with the same argument but some people have short memories. Physicaly it won't happen I am not down playing their pipe dreams don't get me wrong.

Originally Posted by CombinationLicense

No disrespect intended ehunter but ODFW laughed at Ballot Measure 18 too. Nobody thought it would pass, that it was just a wacked out idea and it would surely go down in flames... 15 years later, here we sit with our deer and elk suffering and hunters dropping like flies. Now that they also have the wolf victory in their pocket, we are realistically one more hit from losing all hunting in Oregon. I just can't justify dismissing any of their agenda at this point, no matter how insignificant it appears.

BTW - What if the HSUS funded a ballot initiative next fall, one designed to ban bow hunting and along with it launched a massive media mis-information campaign. What would happen? It's apparent from many of the threads on IFISH that some rifle hunters would vote for it because of their feelings about competing with archery hunters for trophy animals. Other hunters that don't bow hunt wouldn't vote at all because it "doesn't affect them", and after watching the graphic videos that the HSUS would put in their TV ads the masses would buy into it as violent and unethical for sure.

It's troubling to think about but realistically it is a possibility, and without bow hunters at their side how long would rifle hunting hold out?



"CL"

[twolabs]

Originally Posted by twolabs

i hope your right. i will try and call odfw tomorrow.

you were right. icalled the la grande office of the odfw they never heard of that . so someone was just pulling his strings

[RiverRogue]

For what it is worth, I can guarantee, OHA would have been all over this is if there was any hint of truth...