Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Meskel · 02-29-2008, 02:59 PM

I understand all the legalities of carrying a canceled gun without a CCL while fishing and hunting and traveling to and from in the state of Oregon.

I also know the steps needed to secure said CCL.

My question is that if I obtain a CCL will I be treated differently by law enforcement officials?

For example if I am pulled over for speeding (say 5 to 10 mph over stated limit) will the officers (who have now run my plates and see that I have a CCL) approach my vehicle with weapons drawn?

Or will they simply approach cautiously and ask me if I am currently carrying?

The first mentioned scenario would probably not sit well with me if I had my family with me.

Thanks for any info that you may be able to shed on the subject.

I am currently weighing the pros and (possible) cons to getting a CCL

Meskel

Yeti · 02-29-2008, 03:29 PM

If you are being pulled over for a simple violation like speeding, not evasion, then there will probably never be any mention of it. Being pulled over for speeding is not cause for them to ask if you are armed. Nor is possession of a CCP cause. If you are being pulled over for anything that requires them to interact with you outside of your vehicle then you will probably be asked the question. The officers I have spoken with have always shown respect for those who have received a CCP. That is just my limited experience.

My brother in law works for the sheriffs� office. He told me the officers really like to see your hands on top of the steering wheel when they approach your vehicle. I have always done this and have noticed the body language of the officer relax. As a matter of fact when doing this I have only been ticketed twice out of many stops. I don't know if that is the key or the common courtesy I show them that does it.

Meskel · 02-29-2008, 03:37 PM

Thanks. I hoped that would be the case. On the few times I have been pulled over I have fallowed the same procedure. Hands in plain sight �on the steering wheel� and nothing but respectful communication with the officer.
It must be hard for them every time they walk up to vehicle.

Meskel

Hunt'nFish · 02-29-2008, 03:45 PM

Yes, You will be treated differently. Sometimes better and sometimes.... a backup call goes out.

When they run your plate and pull up your ODL info, a special code is flagged that essentially says "see additional info".

I have a few cop friends and this is what they said.....When your pulled over, hand the officer your ODL & CCL. Inform him/her of what you have on your possession, where, and it's condition, and then ask them for any instructions. Simply by making them aware (of course they already know), your sending the message that you are not hiding anything, your not a threat, and are willing to comply with needed instruction and are just generally one of the good guys. This courtesy goes a long way. Of course you do not need to do any of the above, but it may/may not result in a positive exchange. Trust me I know. All it takes in one (in my case two) young OSP Cadet troopers to ruin your night. In my case it resulted in 5 tickets in 10min...on two separate stops. (None were gun violations, but my 1911 was the cause of the last 3.)

But all the other guys have been real cool about it.
Hunt'nFish

WiskeyJaR · 02-29-2008, 04:16 PM

for ten years I have never had an issue. When I have gotten pulled over I simply hand them my CCL card along with me DL card. Have been pulled over for speeding and illegal lane changes, nothinig too serious.

If your not being a "knuckle head" and be respectfull, should never have an issue.

Ni! · 02-29-2008, 04:45 PM

I've had a CCL in both Washington and Oregon since 1994. I've been pulled over a number of times in both those states, as well as California for speeding, tail lights out, etc. I've never given them my CCL permit and I've never been asked about it. If it's an issue for cops they do a good job of keeping it to themselves, as they should.

Archer1000 · 02-29-2008, 04:48 PM

Apart from placing your hands on the steering wheel, if at night, make sure your dome light is on and your window down. It makes it that much easier for the officer and probably a much more comforatable approach for them.

Krijack · 02-29-2008, 04:54 PM

My neighbor related to me this story a while back. He was speeding a little and was pulled over. When the officer came up he asked him some questions and my neighbor told him he a CWP and was carrying a weapon. He said the officer stepped back, pulled his weapon and made him exit the car with his hands up. And can't remember if he removed his weapon of if the officer did, but he said the officer had his weapon trained at him at all times. He wasn't very happy about having a person pointing a loaded gun at him. He let it go, but he was pretty mad about it. My neighbor is in his mid 50's and not a meth head or anything, so it wasn't like the officer should have had any reason to be worried.

meat hunter · 02-29-2008, 08:21 PM

I assume most of you have jobs and I assume most of you work with a few total knuckle heads.

I am a cop and there are a few knuckle heads among our ranks.

The responses you receive from LE officers will all be different.

I am more at ease when dispatch tells me that you have a permit.

Laws only work for those who obey them and having a permit tells me that you are responsible and obey the law. If you are a crazed serial killer wanting to ambush me you would probably not go to the trouble of obtaining a permit.

I know cops who think handguns should be outlawed!

I disagree with them! I agree with Ted Nugent when he says an armed community is a safe community. It warms my heart to hear stories of citizens who defend themselves with a firearm.

You may want to read "A Bullet Proof Mind" by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

The book goes into what it takes to take a human life and what to expect from your body and brain when it happens.

The worst part about carrying a weapon is that you may have to use it. And some people can't when it comes right down to it.

My advise is to get the permit, read the book and go to the range often. Train to draw smoothly from the holster you plan to carry your weapon in and train to point shoot from close range.

good luck

MH

Yeti · 02-29-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Krijack

My neighbor related to me this story a while back. He was speeding a little and was pulled over. When the officer came up he asked him some questions and my neighbor told him he a CWP and was carrying a weapon. He said the officer stepped back, pulled his weapon and made him exit the car with his hands up. And can't remember if he removed his weapon of if the officer did, but he said the officer had his weapon trained at him at all times. He wasn't very happy about having a person pointing a loaded gun at him. He let it go, but he was pretty mad about it. My neighbor is in his mid 50's and not a meth head or anything, so it wasn't like the officer should have had any reason to be worried.

Boy that is truely sad. It would be interesting to read the cops version of the report. I say version because in that case I would have made sure the confrontation was on record. My guess is that if that stop went to court the judge would throw it out and reccomend the office for some special "sensetivity training."

gr8outdoors · 03-01-2008, 09:53 AM

My dad told me a story that happened six or seven years ago where he was pulled over for not stopping completely at a stop sign in Seattle. The officer approached with his hand on his gun and the first thing he asked my dad was where the location of the concealed weapon was and if it was loaded. I know you can't be too careful as an officer but my dads file must have shown he was also a state employee with no record, plus being a captain for the ferries my dad was coming from work and had his stripes on. Needless to say he was not happy about the way he was treated. Sounds like you never really know.

69scout · 03-01-2008, 08:24 PM

During my class for a CCL. The trainer told us that it could happen in many ways when you get pull over and the LEO knows you have a CCL when they run your plates. The best thing to do as I was told was to keep your hand on the steering wheel, do as you're told, don't make any sudden moves and never-never-never reach for your firearm. When the LEO approach you make sure you tell them that you have a CCL and you have a firearm in the car if you are carrying. If you are co-operative with the LEO, they'll just ask for your paper work and secure the firearm while doing their paper work. You will get your firearm back when they're finish. But there are many scenarios that could happen and it also depends on the LEO also. If you get a rookie thats not familiar with this type of situation, you might get escort to their patrol car while they do a search of the vehicle. But like I said, it depends on the LEO, and how co-operative you will be. If I'm wrong anywhere with this please correct me.
The best thing to do is to avoid getting pull-over. Just to keep it on the safe side.....

Quack Attack · 03-01-2008, 08:36 PM

I've only been stopped once since I have had a CWP, which is certainly better than my younger years. I am and Oregon resident and I was stopped in Washington. I took out my ODL and CWP and held my hands on the steering wheel. When the cop approached I handed him both of them. He looked at the CWP, looked confused and asked me if I was an officer. I replied "no, I am just wanting to make you aware that I have a loaded firearm." He asked again if I was an officer and I replied no again. He handed both back to me and asked me to please slow down... I was surprised, I figured he would already know I was licensed.

I wonder though, what if I didn't have a firearm, but I came up licensed and he asked me for it. If I replied I didn't have a gun would he think I was trying to hide something??

Being a school teacher, I am not able to carry a weapon most of the time, in fact unless I am going to Portland or Kings Valley I rarely do.

Rank Amateur · 03-01-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Quack Attack

I've only been stopped once since I have had a CWP, which is certainly better than my younger years. I am and Oregon resident and I was stopped in Washington. I took out my ODL and CWP and held my hands on the steering wheel. When the cop approached I handed him both of them. He looked at the CWP, looked confused and asked me if I was an officer. I replied "no, I am just wanting to make you aware that I have a loaded firearm." He asked again if I was an officer and I replied no again. He handed both back to me and asked me to please slow down... I was surprised, I figured he would already know I was licensed.

I wonder though, what if I didn't have a firearm, but I came up licensed and he asked me for it. If I replied I didn't have a gun would he think I was trying to hide something??

Being a school teacher, I am not able to carry a weapon most of the time, in fact unless I am going to Portland or Kings Valley I rarely do.

I is my understanding that Washington and Oregon do not recognize each others CWP permits, you may have gotten lucky or I'm wrong.

Quack Attack · 03-02-2008, 11:55 AM

No, you're not mistaken, which is why it was in plain sight... which is why I was sure to give it to him before he looked over the interior of my car. I always try to be up front with LE when I have a weapon of any kind.

Now that I think about it, it was not loaded either. I had my boat and was on my way to go fishing, so it was sitting on top of my gear in the passenger seat. I was still surprised that he seemed surprised that I would have a weapon, and wondered if I was LE. It was just my way of keeping him from freaking out when he looked in and saw a pistol.

69scout · 03-03-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rank Amateur

I is my understanding that Washington and Oregon do not recognize each others CWP permits, you may have gotten lucky or I'm wrong.

You are correct Rank Amateur. WA state DOES NOT recognize your OR CCL and vice versa. If you're going to carry in both states make sure you have CCL's from both states. Just go to the sherriff's office to apply for the CCL.

69scout · 03-03-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Quack Attack

No, you're not mistaken, which is why it was in plain sight... which is why I was sure to give it to him before he looked over the interior of my car. I always try to be up front with LE when I have a weapon of any kind.

Now that I think about it, it was not loaded either. I had my boat and was on my way to go fishing, so it was sitting on top of my gear in the passenger seat. I was still surprised that he seemed surprised that I would have a weapon, and wondered if I was LE. It was just my way of keeping him from freaking out when he looked in and saw a pistol.

Quack Attack, you're a lucky man. Because WA doesn't recognize your CCL.
You dodge a bullet there my friend.....

ehunter · 03-03-2008, 12:01 PM

Any time you get pulled over in Oregon I was under the impression you are to show your permit and the officer will ask if your armed. I don't always have a gun with me but it seems to make sense to tell them. Think about it from their perspective people who are nervous make them nervous.

baltz526 · 03-03-2008, 01:52 PM

this is silly, i can carry concealed any time i go fishing or hunting in oregon. no need for a ccl cwl cwp chp. if i get pulled over i do not have any reason to say anything. it is not anyones buisness, unless the LE officer asks. if they ask i'll say yes or no. oregon law allows this, if a LE officer asks to see or gain possesion of my firearm, they need reasonable cause. you have rights, smart LE officers know them

Yeti · 03-03-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 69scout

....When the LEO approach you make sure you tell them that you have a CCL and you have a firearm in the car if you are carrying. If you are co-operative with the LEO, they'll just ask for your paper work and secure the firearm while doing their paper work. You will get your firearm back when they're finish. But there are many scenarios that could happen and it also depends on the LEO also. If you get a rookie thats not familiar with this type of situation, you might get escort to their patrol car while they do a search of the vehicle.....

If I am carrying legally I don't have to say a word about my gun. If they want to know about it that is fine. They can not take it from me without cause. Why in the world would they want to take on the liability of handling my firearm just because of a traffic stop?

Searching my vehicle after a traffic stop??? No way. Unless they have probable cause they are not going to search my vehicle. Possesion of a CCP is not probable cause. They could dissmantle my truck and still not find anything, so why should I allow them to search my truck, without probable cause.

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Originally Posted by baltz526

this is silly, i can carry concealed any time i go fishing or hunting in oregon. no need for a ccl cwl cwp chp. if i get pulled over i do not have any reason to say anything. it is not anyones buisness, unless the LE officer asks. if they ask i'll say yes or no. oregon law allows this, if a LE officer asks to see or gain possesion of my firearm, they need reasonable cause. you have rights, smart LE officers know them

Amen! A badge does not give anyone the right to abuse my rights.

Big Billy · 03-03-2008, 08:05 PM

If you cross the border into Canada they will search your vehicle every time from top to bottom if you have a concealed weapons permit

rrust1 · 03-03-2008, 09:04 PM

Don't go to Canada.

Seriously, in December (2007) my father and I were pulled over on I-84, we are both CHL holders. We informed the State Trooper that we were carrying in the very glovebox the information needed removed from. He smiled and said, "don't pull it out then". He was very nice, and did not seem a bit bothered that two law abiding citizens would be carrying legally.

It was an overall great experience, and we left with a warning to slow down (the one law we weren't abiding).