Model 94 Winchester

[gottafish]

I heard a rumor that the Model 94 is going to me reintroduced in 09. Im trying to verify this. Has anyone else heard that?

[Ryan Pultz]

that would be extreemly cool if it was rp

[s20055]

I read in Field&Stream that it was coming the year following the reintroduction of the Model 70.

[traks44]

Originally Posted by s20055

I read in Field&Stream that it was coming the year following the reintroduction of the Model 70.

I believe the 70s are comming out this year, so that would put the 94's in 09.

Those first models back might be a nice collectors item

[gottafish]

Well I'm kicking myself in the but for selling my old one. I'll buy the first one that hits the shelf

[Abiquadeer]

94/22mag oh yes it will be mine!

[ehunter]

We had 2 model 94 when we were kids first off they are a terrible gun for young kids to hunt with my brother had the hammer fall not good. But we never could hit the broad side of the barn unless we scoped them fun to carry and look at...

[Chesapeake]

But will it be offered in 32 special?

[DancesWithCritters]

Originally Posted by ehunter

We had 2 model 94 when we were kids first off they are a terrible gun for young kids to hunt with my brother had the hammer fall not good. But we never could hit the broad side of the barn unless we scoped them fun to carry and look at...

I think the Winchester Model 94 is a great rifle for kids to learn to hunt with. Teaches them how to shoot. Anyone can hunt with a scope, but with open sites? Takes a lot more skill. I've hunted with open sights for years. Got my first 5pt whitetail with a Model 94 30-30. On the run, I might add. I currently own about a half dozen Winchester 94's. Whenever I want to go out with a reliable rifle that is a lot of fun to shoot, I'll grab the ole lever action 30-30. Brings home meat every time. Of course this type of rifle is just like any other rifle. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.

[billc_sbio]

Alright, I'll light this one off...

The "Real" Model 94s ceased production in 1963.

There hasn't been anything quite like the originals made since then.

Certainly there have been "improvements" (depending on how you define that word?)

So we end up with a cheapened product, a receiver that can't be reblued, the widened receiver of the more powerful calibers in the pleasant looking "XTR" series, and the Angle Eject that will forever CHANGE what "was" the Model 94.

Then you have the "cowboy" versions, made for the too short for that action versions in .45 Colt, a short, stubby cartridge that really should be in the domain of the Model 92.

Nope, I'd say if you REALLY want a "Model '94", search around for a really nice Pre-'64 in whatever caliber or cartridge made back then that you favor.

I'm thinking that anything "new" or reintroduced in the way of a '94 isn't going to be very spectacular or really that desireable.

But that's just me talking, and I wish I were wrong.

But I don't think I am.

[ehunter]

Danceswith critters the problem is that most kids thumbs are not strong enough to handle the hammer to put it on saftey. My brother had it go off live when he was 13 and dang near shot a foot off but he had it pointed at the ground and most saftey instructors will tell you the same thing. In one of the classes that my kids took 3 kids had their thumbs slip of the hammer and it dry fired that is what I am refering to when I said it is not a good kids gun.

Originally Posted by DancesWithCritters

I think the Winchester Model 94 is a great rifle for kids to learn to hunt with. Teaches them how to shoot. Anyone can hunt with a scope, but with open sites? Takes a lot more skill. I've hunted with open sights for years. Got my first 5pt whitetail with a Model 94 30-30. On the run, I might add. I currently own about a half dozen Winchester 94's. Whenever I want to go out with a reliable rifle that is a lot of fun to shoot, I'll grab the ole lever action 30-30. Brings home meat every time. Of course this type of rifle is just like any other rifle. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.

[Hog King]

I believe that Browning bought the rights to at least the Model 94. I have heard that they will begin production but do not know when.

I sold a plain jane Model 94 in .30-30 to a guy for $450 last fall. The gun was basically unfired and was made in 1970. I think I paid $200 for it 7 or 8 years ago.

He wanted it real bad. So I let him have it.

[DancesWithCritters]

Originally Posted by billc_sbio

Alright, I'll light this one off...

The "Real" Model 94s ceased production in 1963.

There hasn't been anything quite like the originals made since then.

Certainly there have been "improvements" (depending on how you define that word?)

So we end up with a cheapened product, a receiver that can't be reblued, the widened receiver of the more powerful calibers in the pleasant looking "XTR" series, and the Angle Eject that will forever CHANGE what "was" the Model 94.

Then you have the "cowboy" versions, made for the too short for that action versions in .45 Colt, a short, stubby cartridge that really should be in the domain of the Model 92.

Nope, I'd say if you REALLY want a "Model '94", search around for a really nice Pre-'64 in whatever caliber or cartridge made back then that you favor.

I'm thinking that anything "new" or reintroduced in the way of a '94 isn't going to be very spectacular or really that desireable.

But that's just me talking, and I wish I were wrong.

But I don't think I am.

Billc, I agree with your assessment of the Winchesters. I failed to mention in my earlier post that the pre-64's were the ones I was talking about. Sorry for the confusion.

ehunter, I can appreciate the problem about the stiff hammers that you talk about. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the post-63 version's of the model 94's do have a stiffer hammer thus making it harder for younger kids to use them with ease. I don't think the 'real Winchesters' are as bad. Those being the pre-64 rifles. Just my

[ehunter]

I won't argue with that from reading these post you know a heck of alot more about them than I do.

Originally Posted by DancesWithCritters

Billc, I agree with your assessment of the Winchesters. I failed to mention in my earlier post that the pre-64's were the ones I was talking about. Sorry for the confusion.

ehunter, I can appreciate the problem about the stiff hammers that you talk about. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the post-63 version's of the model 94's do have a stiffer hammer thus making it harder for younger kids to use them with ease. I don't think the 'real Winchesters' are as bad. Those being the pre-64 rifles. Just my

[rrust1]

I have to agree that they are great for kids to learn. My first hunting rifle was a (not real) model 94. I also had one misfire, but following hunters safety and pointing the barrel at the ground limited the damage to my hunting partner wetting his pants. I have been more successful with open sites and this 30-30 than any other scoped rifle I own. More fun too. I will take a model 94 any day.

[BrianMaguire]

Originally Posted by ehunter

We had 2 model 94 when we were kids first off they are a terrible gun for young kids to hunt with my brother had the hammer fall not good. But we never could hit the broad side of the barn unless we scoped them fun to carry and look at...

Its an instinct shooting gun, like shotgun shooting, IMO. Quick to come up and get onto something. I love lever carbine 30-30's, my favorite by far.

[scottishsetter]

In my opinion, the 1892 in a 357Mag is better to 'teach' and practice with youngins. There are several out there mine's a Hartford model. Good for iron sight practice, after 22lr and bricks bricks bricks.

Blacktail deer hunting is better served with a 1X4X scope due to the many branches that get in the way.

[billc_sbio]

Yes, the '92s are great guns!

Although long gone from being made by Winchester (although some were made in Japan in recent years, sold by and using the Winchester trademark), there are several still being made by various manufactures in a few different countries.

Besides being made in the traditional "cowboy" cartridges of .32-20, .38-40 and .44-40 as well as now .45 Colt, they're also commonly available in .38Spl/.357 Magnum and .44 Magnum.

While not quite as nicely finished, nor as smooth working as the orignal Winchesters, they can be worked over by knowledgeable gunsmiths to where they do function just as nicely as the originals.

This was John Browning's 2nd Lever action design for Winchester, basically a scaled down model of his 1st, the 1886 Winchester which was made for large powerful Blackpowder cartridges like the .45-70 and .45-90 and several others.

For anybody wanting a very strong and safe gun to shoot pistol sized cartridges out of, a '92 shooting .38 Specials is really sweet.

For close-in shots on Deer sized game this rifle shooting full house .357 Magnum cartridges or .44 Magnums (or even hot loaded .44-40s or .45 Colts) will get the job done.

[Dan360]

Got a Legacy/Puma 1892 copy in 454 Casull/45 LC. Lots of fun to shoot, accurate and easy to reload for. 45 LC has no recoil, 454 Casull different story.

[scottishsetter]

Right Dan360, My 357 20" recoils maybe 5lbs? Maybe 3lbs. Iron sight work for kids starts with a bolt 22lr. my.02
My family lost a member to exposed hammer shotgun being pulled from a boat by THE Muzzle, hammer hung up on the seat then went off. The new safety transfer bars are great. Don't depend on that half safety thing. I just don't go that route. Shoot; then empty; every rifle/gun is loaded.

[mstarck]

Originally Posted by billc_sbio

Alright, I'll light this one off...

The "Real" Model 94s ceased production in 1963.

There hasn't been anything quite like the originals made since then.

Certainly there have been "improvements" (depending on how you define that word?)

So we end up with a cheapened product, a receiver that can't be reblued, the widened receiver of the more powerful calibers in the pleasant looking "XTR" series, and the Angle Eject that will forever CHANGE what "was" the Model 94.

Then you have the "cowboy" versions, made for the too short for that action versions in .45 Colt, a short, stubby cartridge that really should be in the domain of the Model 92.

Nope, I'd say if you REALLY want a "Model '94", search around for a really nice Pre-'64 in whatever caliber or cartridge made back then that you favor.

I'm thinking that anything "new" or reintroduced in the way of a '94 isn't going to be very spectacular or really that desireable.

But that's just me talking, and I wish I were wrong.

But I don't think I am.

I agree

[bo4elk]

<On soap box>
Browning bought Winchester several years ago, they own it all, and patents too. I was peeved (and always will be) at Browning because the first thing they did with ownership was discontinue the Boss on the Model 70 pre-64 classic. A great modern rifle IMHO. Then Browning decided to move the Boss to their premier rifles, the BAR and A-bolts. A slap to Winchester, and the Winchester engineers (pre-Browning ownership) that developed it. As a final blow, Browning decided to quit producing the model 70. This was a Browning decision, not a decision by the subsidiary Winchester. If the Boss is such a gimmick to pull it of the model 70 line, why did they decide to put it on their top selling rifles? I think Browning just wanted to prove a point to Winchester, they had won.
<Off soap box>
It’s great that the model 70 is coming back; I hope the 94 follows closely. The 94 is a classic, and I’ll be in line for one of the new models.

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by bo4elk

<On soap box>
Browning bought Winchester several years ago, they own it all, and patents too. I was peeved (and always will be) at Browning because the first thing they did with ownership was discontinue the Boss on the Model 70 pre-64 classic. A great modern rifle IMHO. Then Browning decided to move the Boss to their premier rifles, the BAR and A-bolts. A slap to Winchester, and the Winchester engineers (pre-Browning ownership) that developed it. As a final blow, Browning decided to quit producing the model 70. This was a Browning decision, not a decision by the subsidiary Winchester. If the Boss is such a gimmick to pull it of the model 70 line, why did they decide to put it on their top selling rifles? I think Browning just wanted to prove a point to Winchester, they had won.
<Off soap box>
It’s great that the model 70 is coming back; I hope the 94 follows closely. The 94 is a classic, and I’ll be in line for one of the new models.

Your real close to the truth here but it wasn't Browning. They have a master as well and the beasts name is FN. They are the parent Co. and responsible for the Winchester plant closing it's doors. Rumors flew around for awhile that they would move production of all Winchester products to Japan. The latest facts that I've been able to confirm are that the mod 70 rifles will be made in South Carolina by non-union workers to keep costs down. Now rumor has it that the 94s will be made in Japan. That's right, the gun that won the west will be made in Japan.

[bo4elk]

Gunman - Thanks for pointing that out, I had been under the impression that Browning was making the decisions for Winchester. Either way, there is still some evil marketing/manager guy out their making decision that really suck!