DIY tackle suggestion

[Pilar]

Just an idea. I make all of my own tackle short of hooks and line. But I do not post those ideas here for reasons which recently became painfully obvious.

How about we save these ideas for TA meetings?

[StickFish]

Originally Posted by Pilar

Just an idea. I make all of my own tackle short of hooks and line. But I do not post those ideas here for reasons which recently became painfully obvious.

How about we save these ideas for TA meetings?

There is a tackle and rod building forum besides the TA meeting those who want to share should probably do so there. I know a lot of us rod builders have been sharing our work over there. I don't build much of my own tackle so have not really paid much attention to what those guys are posting.

[Chromaflage]

Or tailgates at the Old Mill Marina.

Originally Posted by Pilar

Just an idea. I make all of my own tackle short of hooks and line. But I do not post those ideas here for reasons which recently became painfully obvious.

How about we save these ideas for TA meetings?

[Bait O' Eggs]

I make as much or more of my own tackle than anybody here. Guess I wont be posting any pics I wouldnt want to be accused of doing something like somebody else.

I do have some cool pvc elbows which have done really well getting bit closer to shore

.............and I am working on a pretty cool project right now for tuna season.

[Pilar]

I just don't want to see my bros fighting over money. And no I'm not feeling the least bit guilty about all the money not made by people who did not charge me too much money for stuff I made myself.

[Cornfed]

I think people should be able to share ideas and show how something is done. That is the one of the ideas of a forum. It may not be a good idea to indicate that you reverse engineered one product to make another product and sell it? I don't know. I do know that it shouldn't be ill advised to post on how to create a dropper rig for rockfishing or daisy chain for tuna. Just my thoughts.

[Pilar]

This website is a commercial enterprise. It is hard to share info on how to make your own without damaging someone's livelyhood.

Reading every post and trying to decide whether that is a problem or not takes up alot of time for the mods. Links, competing non-sponsors, non sponsored guides and any number of other sponsor conflict problems are a constant subject behind the scenes.

My suggestion is to eliminate that problem here. Bring your ideas to a TA meeting and leave the website out of it. My $0.02

[Reel Knotty]

Great idea Pilar

Anybody interested in another TA meeting in Corvallis area? I could not make it to the last one due to a Sauvie's Island reservation (having waterfowl/tuna addictions sometimes cause a conflict or two...). Oh wait...upland/waterfowl/big game/salmon/sturgeon/Tuna!...no wonder I don't get anything done around the house anymore!

[Seelicious]

Originally Posted by Pilar

I just don't want to see my bros fighting over money. And no I'm not feeling the least bit guilty about all the money not made by people who did not charge me too much money for stuff I made myself.

No one is fighting over money...it's about right and wrong.

John...we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Chromaflage

I'm not sure I understand. It seemed, for various reasons, that this was kind of a unique issue. Being a DIY kinda guy, I have learned much about tackle craft from the good souls on this site who have been kind enough to share. .

I think this was a little bit different than Roy making tuna gear on his shop smith. So Roy don't stop sharing what you have been doing. That would be a shame. I've heard people hear tell you that something you made would not fish only to go out and use it and have a banner day doing it. Mud in that persons face for sure.


I think from time to time we all make something from something we saw at one time. For our personal use I believe this to be just fine and dandy. In this case a product had been offered to the SD bunch and featured at the shows. If I understand things correctly a lot of effort went into the research before this product was offered to us here on this board by a SD board member. Certainly the cost was not cheap although the product looks pretty simple it does take a lot of make a product durable.

I also know that Puffin's heart was in the right place when he offered to help people make these things but he perhaps overstepped his bounds by throwing a contact number on the board for all to see. Jon I want you to know that I always appreciated your comments and help on this board and I would hate to see that go away. It is important for us to share ideas about how to rig or do things here. I hope that part of the board does not go away.

Bud, I know you are trying to protect Fred Archer and all the work he went to developing these bars and putting them on the market. No small undertaking for anyone to take on. He did his research. I'm sure he is upset about this but in a way he should also be flattered that someone wants to immatate him. Fred will still sell Archer Bars and I am still going to buy a pair myself. Wish I could afford more.

All this said, this forum is still for sharing. don't let that go away. This is a special place for all of to gather and share our ideas, wants, desires and so on.

[Chromaflage]

Well stated, Bernie!

[Mypursuit]

Ok, I think I will regret this but;

1) "don't share numbers on this board..." (last week)(I accepted the instruction and withdrew my objection)

2) "don't share tackle building ideas on this board..." (this week)

3) ????

4) ??

5) ?

What are we gonna have to talk about folks?

[fish_on]

Originally Posted by Mypursuit

Ok, I think I will regret this but;

1) "don't share numbers on this board..." (last week)(I accepted the instruction and withdrew my objection)

2) "don't share tackle building ideas on this board..." (this week)

3) ????

4) ??

5) ?

What are we gonna have to talk about folks?

3) catch numbers

4) pictures of large catches

[Mark Mc]

5) Pictures of large catches, while wearing provocative clothing

[Nalu]

Mypursuit- Nobody said anything about not posting DIY stuff.

C&E stated it very well.

If a member of the group brings a new product to the area and offers to give it to Salty Dogs if they want it while not trying to make any money personally that would seem to be a great example of what the SD board is about.

These things have been done a number of times.... some things are new, and some are just in demand. A few years ago it was full and half totes by Marty. Then swim baits by Marty. EPIRBS and flares. Then jig heads. Swim baits being made by MarkMC. Bud has sold tons of kill bags, and now Archer bars.

So yes, DIY is great, and sharing those DIY things is great too. But there has to be some level of respect for people that created some things, as well as those that have been doing nothing but helping out their SD brethren by spending their money up front to pass through a good product. The next thought is the respect that should be given to someone who worked to pioneer a product. Some may not think that is worthwile, but others do. The last thing is this.....

There are certain people that go first to find the fish. They go farther. They share information and they share the products they are using. They are free and open and accessible, and they work hard to help others. It would be a shame to have that stop

As for the sharing numbers......You're really in for a shock when tuna season hits. The guys that brag about a great catch but don't share where they hit fish will then be the ones that get the grief. It's a personal decision to share numbers during the day, but if you put up a post to show how well you did, a number of us feel that you should put the general area you fished as well. The numbers for the general area help make informed decisions on where to start. 55 over 40 is as close as you need to be, but that provides a lot of info.

[CR dog]

I thought that was a cheap shot on Puffin also. I enjoy all the information he and others provide on this board and hope it continues. Because of the lessons learned here, I to have been making my own rigging and tackle for all types of fishing. (I do it because it relaxes me after a stressful day.) Plus I do also buy plenty of designer jewelry for fishing .

I really hope this board is to remain open minded, and share ideas to increase participation in the sport. I hope we don't need to meet under the cover of darkness to share rigging ideas as to not offend anyone.
I was really disappointed when the original post was removed. I was looking forward to some new leanings.

If someone is selling a great product, it will sell itself. People will continue to buy a proven product. Patent laws could protect the developer if the item is copied and sold for profit. (Also depends on which countries the patent have been filed.)

Example:
Alanti posts regularly here on how to do your own reel maintenance. Do you think his business suffers because of it? No. I asked to send my Accurate reels to him for preventive maintenance, he is so busy and replied back to try him again after a month or two. Again a proven product will sell itself.

[Seelicious]

It's about respect for the guy who created it.

No one is saying Roy should stop making cedar plugs out of broom sticks and then showing us how.

[Deeman]

Here is one manufacturers opinion on the matter. There will always be a contingent of guys who build their own stuff. They do it for reasons that run from financial to ego and everything in between. I say more power to them. As a whole very few of them do it successfully or long term. A case in point. It took me 18 months of work and testing to get my new little double set of flashers to work properly and I had the drawings of the other sizes to use as patterns. If some guy wants to take an old music cd (or other type of plastic), cut it, heat it and shape it, and use it to catch fish I say go ahead on it. Rarely will it work as well as the original and even if it does when the time and effort is taken into account most times they say "too much work I will just by the darn things." I tie flies, but I find myself buying more than I tie because I dont like to do it. I have the skills and ability to make rods, I dont because it is a poor use of my time with the prices you can find them for today. I have a wire spinner that sits on my work bench crying from lonelyness while my tackle box is full of spinners. Again very few people will spend the time or effort to learn how to make something from scratch when they can buy it. As far as I am concerned if you want to DIY go for it. Just dont sell what you made.

[Zodiac-Fisherman]

Respect is KEY..

You dont copy ones creation only to try to make a dime off it.

Thats why patents were created.

Build whatever you want. If its your idea.. awesome...go ahead and make your fortune.


Puffin is a great guy, no disrespect towards him at all.

[Moldy45]

Group hug



Peanut butter

[Puffin]

I have one question for all of you. What brand of rubber fish do you buy. Unless its a genuine Fish Trap you are all hypocrites. Why you would embrace someone who sells thier excess to help defer the cost of supplies and help their friends out. while shunning someone else who is showing their work is beyond me but I will learn from it. Roy I really liked the plumbing plugs and wondered if you fished them any other days than that one day you slayed em? Roy didnt mean to offend you or the other rubber fish guy. Think I am done with the board for awhile never had to apologize and wipe so many tears away in all my life. By the way I did not offer to sell spreader bars to anyone.

[Pilar]

Taters and gravy.

Got my exercise flying off the handle and jumping to conclusions.

Thanks, I think. It's Chum King brand teasers for me. I've made 20 sets and give 1/2 of em away. He's not selling them though.

Archer bars are not readily available. You can buy them but it is not easy. There is an effort underway to change that. It is no surprise to me that Puffin would figure out to make one and also would want to share that with everyone. Jon has taught me how to make all kinds of gear.

All of these things were done in the best intentions.

Now how about some ideas about how not to cross the line. How do you teach tackle building or rod building without undercutting a tackle manufacturer?

[KeyWest]

Originally Posted by Puffin

I have one question for all of you. What brand of rubber fish do you buy. Unless its a genuine Fish Trap you are all hypocrites. Why you would embrace someone who sells thier excess to help defer the cost of supplies and help their friends out. while shunning someone else who is showing their work is beyond me but I will learn from it. Roy I really liked the plumbing plugs and wondered if you fished them any other days than that one day you slayed em? Roy didnt mean to offend you or the other rubber fish guy. Think I am done with the board for awhile never had to apologize and wipe so many tears away in all my life. By the way I did not offer to sell spreader bars to anyone.

If it isn't subject to copywrite laws, or patent laws - its all fair game. Welcome to capitalism. Puffin - please don't quit the board. We value your input.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Originally Posted by Puffin

Roy didnt mean to offend you or the other rubber fish guy.

You certainly didnt offend me

I am still trying to understand how puffin making some tackle offended anybody.

[Mypursuit]

Originally Posted by Nalu

...55 over 40 is as close as you need to be...

Nalu- and as close as I'll get is 20 miles short of that...I think this thread, the numbers thread and at least one other need to be chalked up to cabin fever.

I've been lurking for a long time before I joined this board and I don't remember this much quick and angry reaction over pure fishing topics...'course I guess I didn't read that much from October - March before this year. Anyway I hope to learn and help when I can

[snaggedup]

Someone is always going to be offended by something someone else does or says. China is duplicating US
made items and selling them in the US market . All of us are buying them .We aren"t complaining because its
cheaper , not neccesarily better but acceptable enough to us to give them our money. I think this forum is for
sharing and should continue to be the main focus of why
we all log on almost every nite. If someone is slighted by suggestions on how to DIY and it irritates someone they can solve that irritation by not logging in and reading the post we all put on here.I for one relize all of us knows more than any of us. If yankee inginuity is bad
then we wouldn't have a free market and new products being improved upon all the time.

[Nalu]

Originally Posted by Puffin

I have one question for all of you. What brand of rubber fish do you buy. Unless its a genuine Fish Trap you are all hypocrites. Why you would embrace someone who sells thier excess to help defer the cost of supplies and help their friends out. while shunning someone else who is showing their work is beyond me but I will learn from it. Roy I really liked the plumbing plugs and wondered if you fished them any other days than that one day you slayed em? Roy didnt mean to offend you or the other rubber fish guy. Think I am done with the board for awhile never had to apologize and wipe so many tears away in all my life. By the way I did not offer to sell spreader bars to anyone.

Just to clarify. Tunabites is a branded product that is sold through a LLC business. That business also is a Salty Dog sponsor. Multiple other companies make similar plastic swimbaits such as Storm, Berkley, etc.

And Puffin, you certainly didn't offend me in any way either. We all may have different takes on different things, but I don't think anyone was mad at you, perhaps just didn't agree.

[WillFish]

Puffin-I don't think you did anything wrong. Thanks for sharing.

I admire people who are creative enough to make and use functional gear, equipment, whatever. I find a certain enjoyment and satisfaction doing so myself. I would much rather make it and use it than buy it and use it (whatever).

I thought that this board was all about sharing and not about commercialism and $$$.
Maybe I was wrong or maybe it's changing?

I feel sad when one of us gets bashed and posts get removed for trying to share how to make a piece of gear.

[Frenchy]

So is Fred Archer a Salty Dog sponsor? Is he the first person to ever make a spreader bar?

There is a good thread showing how to make handlines on here,very detailed with photos. If what some of you are saying is true,then it should be removed because I know two people who make them for profit.

I have also seen in detail how to make your own jigs with salmon hoocies and lead bullet weights, maybe Seven Strand would like to have that removed because they look too much like their clones.

Non of these things,spreader bars,tunabites/fishtraps,jigs,handlines or cedar plugs are new. They are just modified or improvements on the originals.

Puffin never said"Hey guys,I'm selling these cheaper then this guy", only that you can make your own.

I don't go on the Main board anymore because of the fighting and B.S. that goes on there. Salty Dogs were always different. I guess that's changed.

I think I'll go write to Puffin to let him know some of us still "Leave No Dog Behind".

[KeyWest]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

So is Fred Archer a Salty Dog sponsor? Is he the first person to ever make a spreader bar?

There is a good thread showing how to make handlines on here,very detailed with photos. If what some of you are saying is true,then it should be removed because I know two people who make them for profit.

I have also seen in detail how to make your own jigs with salmon hoocies and lead bullet weights, maybe Seven Strand would like to have that removed because they look too much like their clones.

Non of these things,spreader bars,tunabites/fishtraps,jigs,handlines or cedar plugs are new. They are just modified or improvements on the originals.

Puffin never said"Hey guys,I'm selling these cheaper then this guy", only that you can make your own.

I don't go on the Main board anymore because of the fighting and B.S. that goes on there. Salty Dogs were always different. I guess that's changed.

I think I'll go write to Puffin to let him know some of us still "Leave No Dog Behind".

The Salty Dogs will only be different as long as we as individuals continue to push to make it different. As soon as we, as individuals, allow it to be taken over by political correctness - well then we as individuals are responsible for the end result. As we are all talking about MPAs - never surrender. The strength of the Salty Dog board is our ability to disagree and learn from one another's opinions. If you give up because someone disagrees with you - SHAME ON YOU! Fight for your position! We enjoy the interchange.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by KeyWest

The Salty Dogs will only be different as long as we as individuals continue to push to make it different. As soon as we, as individuals, allow it to be taken over by political correctness - well then we as individuals are responsible for the end result. As we are all talking about MPRs - never surrender. The strength of the Salty Dog board is our ability to disagree and learn from one another's opinions. If you give up because someone disagrees with you - SHAME ON YOU! Fight for your position! We enjoy the interchange.

No shame on me, SHAME on the ones that started this over $$$. Many of you say it is about respect. Who disrespected whom?
Here's my last comment on this. Puffin has done quite a lot for the Salty Dogs. What has Fred Archer and his holier then thou gang done?

[Nalu]

Originally Posted by WillFish

Puffin-I don't think you did anything wrong. Thanks for sharing.

I admire people who are creative enough to make and use functional gear, equipment, whatever. I find a certain enjoyment and satisfaction doing so myself. I would much rather make it and use it than buy it and use it (whatever).

I thought that this board was all about sharing and not about commercialism and $$$.
Maybe I was wrong or maybe it's changing?

I feel sad when one of us gets bashed and posts get removed for trying to share how to make a piece of gear.

Those of you that keep saying that "the board is all about sharing, and that it doesn't seem to be about that".... Please take a moment and consider it from a different vantage point.

You have Mr. Fred Archer who has spent tons of money and YEARS of time developing something completely unique. He has has fished his product and had others fish his product all over the world trying to perfect it. He has refined it to have the appropriate spread between the baits, between the chains, and even the lengths of the different bars so that it will catch fish. Nobody makes a product like what he has developed, and almost nobody in the Northwest used or heard of his product until the last few years. Mr. Archer is not a young man, and though he is probably tougher than he would have you believe, a big part of his joy is now developing gear and mentoring others.

Step in Seelicious. Bud has brought kill bags to the Salty Dog board and sold them at cost. Just like the other things he has done, he has shared the Archer bars at cost, and taken huge amounts of his own time to organize and distribute them. In the end, (as his wife will attest) he not only doesn't make money on this stuff, it probably ends up costing him. The first time I met Bud he was selling some of his top quality used gear on I-Fish for about 1/2 what it cost. Instead of trying to get the most out of the reels, just like everything else, he instead chose to give someone else a good deal. He has given so much so often to I-Fish causes, as well other things like the OTC that it should be painfully obvious that Bud is about sharing. How many times has he come to the aid of boaters in distress? More than once Bud has paid beer tabs at a TA meeting for the first or 2nd round like he will Wednesday. I've personally been witness to Seelicious time and time again giving for the sake of others.

So perchance take a moment to consider that when someone mentors you like Fred Archer has done with Bud and others, that you just might feel a little bit protective of something they have put their heart and soul into. Try to understand that anger isn't the right word, but that you might hope others would respect Fred and his efforts as much as you do. DIY stuff? Sure. But perhaps understand that if there wasn't people bringing things like this to the market, DIY wouldn't factor in.

It's a matter of personal belief. Everyone makes their own choice, but sharing your thoughts on the matter shouldn't be considered bad one way or the other.

[Captn]

If it isn't subject to copywrite laws, or patent laws - its all fair game. Welcome to capitalism. Puffin - please don't quit the board. We value your input.

Could not agree more. It would be a sad day for all of us to sign on to Salty Dogs and not be able to learn an easy way to do sometinig, or a less expensive way, or just a better way. That is one of the things I enjoy the most about our sport, is the many ways of doing the same things, some are just downright birlliant(sp).

Hope the sharing continues.

[CR dog]

So can we have the original post on DIY spreader bar back? Or maybe only certain people in the political circle of this forum can determine what DIY project gets to be displayed? You know maybe we need to remove the "No Excuse Halibut Rig" out. They are sold at just about all of the sport and fishing shops now. Even at the shops that sponsor Ifish. We should repect that.

Using the cover of respect is interesting.
So maybe we should remove all the negative posts about Kulongoski and even Bush from Ifish. Hey they took the risk and the initiative to become leaders of this great state and country, no matter if we like them or not. We really should have respect for them and the ideas they present. Maybe the Marine Reserve is a good thing because I'm going to start respecting the governor.

I feel that we lost some freedom of speech here because someone felt offended. I don't feel that is right. I'm still trying to figure out what was wrong with Puffins thread? (Except for the phone number for his own safety.) Nothing was being sold, just ideas passing around.

[Puffin]

Thanks for all the good words. I appreciate it. Nalu I understand Tunabites is a sponsor and such. My point was only that this was not the original rubber fish only no one has a problem using them. All I did was say look what I built not these r 4 sale. Furthermore even if I did there is no crime in that. Become an ifish sponsor jump through hoops etc. thanks anyway. and if you dont think Tunabytes was started to help curb the cost of Marks habit you r probably mistaken as I read a post the other day about his wife doing the math on the wage per hour thing. LoL Bottom line is some of us have more time than money and if not for making our own tackle would go without. I did purchase a set of bars from Bud. However setting up a spread of light and dark at those prices $560 total. Forces me to try to build my own. had to go in halves with my brother to come up with the $140 required for the ones we bought. If youre made of cash good for you. I am not but I know that the guy with the big brain wins the race. Good for me. By the way CR bash me now the no excuse rig was brought down from Alaska by me. Was told by the skipper who offered more than the one I requested Ill just have the mate make more. He understood this is how the sport grows and techniques r spread. Me making a few bars will not affect Fred Archer in the least in fact if not for wanting to make some he would never have made a sale due to the high price.The man understands the tackle industry is volitile and you better get it while you can Just because I am not settin up a plant does not mean I cant should not or someone wont. Fact is when asked about it bud said do whatever you want you could not build a genuine Archer bar even if you wanted to. Not sure why he got so put off as I had the ba**s and courtesy to ask in the first place. If its truly about right and wrong I trust I will hear no further noise on this subject.

[Nalu]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

No shame on me, SHAME on the ones that started this over $$$. Many of you say it is about respect. Who disrespected whom?
Here's my last comment on this. Puffin has done quite a lot for the Salty Dogs. What has Fred Archer and his holier then thou gang done?

With due respect Frenchy, it has never been over any $. As I said earlier, Seelicious has been fishing Archer Bars for awhile. Because he found success with them, and because of his connection to Fred he voluntarily, and out of a desire to share with the Salty Dogs has brought them in allowed the Dogs to get a great deal on them, just like he has done with the kill bags. How many dogs used kill bags before Bud started selling those? Just about none, and now a great many are. Some from Bud, some from other sources. It's never been about the money, it's been about doing something a different way that produces better results and sharing it with the board.

I'm pretty sure I'd embarrass him more than I already have if I was to start to list out the things Bud has done for the Salty Dogs. I won't because it's not a competition. Puffin has done a ton, so has Bud, and so have a lot of others. This shouldn't be a "choosing sides" issue.

[Puffin]

Thanks everyone especially Deeman as a professional tackle manufacturer. I am interested in seeing the reels you posted about in your China post. As mike said Lets get along and as bud says agree to disagree. But most of all lets go somewhere they have hot sun big fish and cold Pineapple. Im smilin hope u r 2. See Ya

[WillFish]

Well, I think Fred Archer is probably a creative original thinker and great do-it-yourself kind of guy. I respect him for developing his gear and techniques.

I appreciate guys like Seelicious and many others on this board who bring new gear and techniques to our attention and make them available to us all, either to buy or make.

I really don't see how it is disrespectful to want to copy something for my own use that someone else is marketing, something about imitation being the highest form of flattery.

So if it's not about $$$, why was the original post deleted?

I noticed it shortly after it was first posted and was very interested in following the discussion, hearing more details, etc., and would really like to see it put back up.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Okay, may I suggest we be done with this argument and move on? Can we move back into the sharing mode once again and let this pass?

Look, this is a great board with a great bunch of guys. Jon, I appreciate your zeal and love for the ocean and your contributions to the board. I suggest you man up and keep the ball in play. You have to much to contribute.

Fred Archer will continue to sell archer bars no doubt and I am sure you will not be the last person to copy it in an attempt to save a couple of bucks.

And Bud, what a great guy! He does what he can to help us here to become better fisherman and more efficient fisherman. I don't know many other folks out there that cares about his fellow fisher brothers than Bud. Bud would do just about anything for any of us whether he knows you or not. You would be surprised at what he has done for some of us and you would be ashamed for ever criticizing him as a Salty Dog. I'll be the first to admit I don't agree with his politics or some of his environmental stands but you can bet on one thing. If Bud needed anything and it was within my power to fulfill that need I'd be there for him. He's good people just like Jon, John, Mike and others that have responded to this post. Never forget that.

So Mr. Puffin, put your ball back in play because surfs up in the very near future and there are some salty pups that need mentoring.

[Baja Rattler]

Fred does sell "Naked Bars" for those folks who wish to DIY!!!! so you can rig them with your favorite squids/clones etc.
If you are interested in purchasing just a kit you can PM me for a web address to visit to contact Fred
His partner Bob will gladly send you Freddys gear catalogs.
I have purchased several and have been very successful using them.... not to mention the satisfaction of catching fish on something you made yourself.

John

[tippet]

I am putting together a dredge or two that I plan on running off downriggers for salmon this summer. Im thinking that I will use the minimal resistance mylar strips with holographic baitfish on them. There are several companies that sell these (and they also all sell spreader bars that I can only assume differ from the archer bars since folks here have been indicating that archer bars are original and unique).

If anyone has experience using dredges for salmon Id appreciate a PM!

Thanks

[Seelicious]

Originally Posted by tippet

I am putting together a dredge or two that I plan on running off downriggers for salmon this summer. Im thinking that I will use the minimal resistance mylar strips with holographic baitfish on them. There are several companies that sell these (and they also all sell spreader bars that I can only assume differ from the archer bars since folks here have been indicating that archer bars are original and unique).

If anyone has experience using dredges for salmon Id appreciate a PM!

Thanks

There is a great article in the latest edition of Sport Fishing Magazine about just this...Salmon Dredges...I'll bring copies of the article to the Lucky Lab tomorrow. Olander caught 8 salmon in BC...7 of the fish came on the dredge rod. Matt has an article in Pacific Coast Sport Fishing on the same topic.

Another great read by Barta in SFM...about fishing all the same size and color to best represent what nature dishes out. I'll bring copies of that article as well.

[Baja Rattler]

Tippet
Try to contact Matt aka Vulpinus he had some pics and info on using Freds new "Spiders" for salmon. To me they look similar to a dredge.

John

[Seelicious]

Originally Posted by Baja Rattler

Tippet
Try to contact Matt aka Vulpinus he had some pics and info on using Freds new "Spiders" for salmon. To me they look similar to a dredge.

John

They are exactly that...a dredge designed for Salmon.

Matt posted pictures on the Archer Bar thread near the bottom of this page showing the Spiders in action.

[garyk]

I've got the '08 Fred Archer Bar Catalog () to share with anyone who wants it. It is two 3-meg size files.

Just PM me with your email addy for your copy.

EDIT - I'm getting quite a few PM's so I'll compile 'em and do a batch send around noon today.

[CR dog]

It's pretty cool using some of the same techniques tuna trolling on salmon fishing. The teaser concept has been quite successful the past 3 years around the CR.

Out of the xx+ salmon we plugged the boat with this past summer, I would say about 60% were caught using a teaser concept. Every year is different, this past summer pink seemed to be the color to go to. I would rig up one teaser hoochie rig and the rest of the rods were fresh spinning bait. I enjoy experimenting quite a bit.

Hopefully this year I can experiment live bait fishing for salmon. As soon as the first rod goes off, hook on a live bait and toss out. I wonder how long the bait will hold on a barbless hook?

[fishboys]

Cut a wide rubberband into 1/4" strips, after putting on your live bait push the point of the hook through a chunk of rubberband. should help keep the bait on.

[No Bail]

Originally Posted by Seelicious

They are exactly that...a dredge designed for Salmon.

Matt posted pictures on the Archer Bar thread near the bottom of this page showing the Spiders in action.

If you Google some of the terms, you will find a better price on a different board for the duration of the Fred Hall show (whoops, I got the Miami Boat show confused, the sale is over. We missed the price cut.). You have to be a member of that board, but it might be worth the hunt. I wanted to try some of the salmon spiders, and I'm gonna pick up two to try.

Now what colors? I'm thinking the black/purple looks good, and then something in green. I don't think you ever lose with green.

It isn't a DIY, but you still might save some dollars from a simple Google search. I think I'd better not name the other board.

As an aside, what is the difference from a dredge to a spreader bar? The weight?

[Jennie@ifish]

Originally Posted by Cornfed

I think people should be able to share ideas and show how something is done. That is the one of the ideas of a forum.

LOL! No kidding! Not share ideas on how to make stuff?



Come on, Pilar!

[Jennie@ifish]

I think everyone should just be quiet on this forum! OK, class. Dismissed!

I'm sorry, but this is the silliest idea I have heard, yet.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Jennie@ifish

I think everyone should just be quiet on this forum! OK, class. Dismissed!

I'm sorry, but this is the silliest idea I have heard, yet.

Girl, if you don't hush up I'm gonna load you on my boat, take you 35 miles off shore and make you catch your first tuna. Kapishe?

[Jennie@ifish]

Fred Archer is not an ifish sponsor, which therein lies most of the problem. By the time it was alerted to us, and noticed that there were nearly 30 threads about them with complete contact and how to buy them (I know! I know! We are very far behind!) it was too late to have our normal protocol followed.

We have rules for a reason. We have rules so that we can be fair to all, or at least to try to be fair. We have rules so that this fine board does not become an entire board full of spam, with people trying to sell to you dear people. Can you imagine, if everyone just sold, sold, sold great products?

If we would have followed our rules, and removed the threads, we would have faced upsetting a whole bunch of salty dogs who had gleaned an interest in a fine product. Very unfortunate that it wasn't done in a way that things are usually done. Fred Archer could have easily become a Salty Dog sponsor, first.

When Puffin came on with an idea to make his own, and then quickly asked to have it deleted, I was really sad. I thought the Salty Dogs was about sharing. I didn't know that Fred Archer had thought of this idea, or that it was a new invention. I thought it was like any other spreader bar. I don't know tuna gear. I thought it was like anything else, a jig, a diver, a cedar plug, where everyone always tries to imitate the other.

Anyhow, that's where this mess is, right now. I am so upset that it has turned into a big mess that caused us to suggest we don't even talk about making tackle??? That just seems so bizarre to me on a fishing forum, where we have always shared ideas.

I like using my own tackle. It makes me feel good. I like making things. It reminds me of 4-H when I was a kid. It just feels good to do your own thing and fish with it and catch fish! You know?

I'm really sorry that there is a problem.

I try so hard to be consistent, but ifish is getting bigger and bigger, and we have rules. If folks don't follow the rules, then problems arise. I try so hard to have as few sponsors as we can, and still pay the bills. I try so hard to keep it non commercial and just fun.

I didn't want to upset the dogs by removing the Archer bars. They are probably a really groovy thing that took Mr. Archer years to develop. But, on the flip side, if I let Fred Archer advertise without permission, then I have 100 people writing to me saying, "OK, then. Since he can, I can too, right?"

This forum is an awesome target market for new products. People realize that and they want their product in front of the right people.

All I can say is "if only... If only people would just ask first."

I'm just sorry there is this mess. It's certainly taken on wings of it's own. Ifish is a commercial enterprise... yes, if you call having enough banners to run the site, that is.

I'm already stressed out over my surgery and getting shots in my eye. (Try that one, you tough guys out there!!! ) on Thursday, and now this.

I think I'll go run screaming, now.

Jen

[Jennie@ifish]

C and E... Let's GO! NOW!

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Jennie@ifish

C and E... Let's GO! NOW!

I think I'd rather go to one of these this time of year. Yow!

[StickFish]

Originally Posted by Jennie@ifish

C and E... Let's GO! NOW!

You are not kidding 2 & 5 @ 10 Sec, lets go -

oh wait, they are a million miles away

[WP]

Actually only a few thousand...how is your fuel supply? lol!
Dave

Originally Posted by StickFish

You are not kidding 2 & 5 @ 10 Sec, lets go -

oh wait, they are a million miles away

[Jennie@ifish]

I love this post:

Okay, may I suggest we be done with this argument and move on? Can we move back into the sharing mode once again and let this pass?

Look, this is a great board with a great bunch of guys. Jon, I appreciate your zeal and love for the ocean and your contributions to the board. I suggest you man up and keep the ball in play. You have to much to contribute.

Fred Archer will continue to sell archer bars no doubt and I am sure you will not be the last person to copy it in an attempt to save a couple of bucks.

And Bud, what a great guy! He does what he can to help us here to become better fisherman and more efficient fisherman. I don't know many other folks out there that cares about his fellow fisher brothers than Bud. Bud would do just about anything for any of us whether he knows you or not. You would be surprised at what he has done for some of us and you would be ashamed for ever criticizing him as a Salty Dog. I'll be the first to admit I don't agree with his politics or some of his environmental stands but you can bet on one thing. If Bud needed anything and it was within my power to fulfill that need I'd be there for him. He's good people just like Jon, John, Mike and others that have responded to this post. Never forget that.

So Mr. Puffin, put your ball back in play because surfs up in the very near future and there are some salty pups that need mentoring.

So true, on every person's account! I have learned that no matter if you find that there is something in a person that rubs you wrong, you'll still find plenty of the rest that you like in them. I think highly of everyone involved, even if I've had occasion to differ opinions with them.

May I please close this thread, so that we don't bicker, anymore?
If you think it should be reopened, please let me know.

I just think that we all have a better side. (including myself!)

Let's go fishin! (After my surgery, please!)

Jen