Anti hunter ploy in the news......

Joe · 02-13-2008, 11:50 AM

Did any of you see this or any of the other articles?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...arlawsuit.html

In an attempt to get the uninformed public behind them on this issue the anti's are claiming that the "Goat Ranchers of Oregon" and some other farm sounding group are in favor of more protection for cougars. Now why would they do that? My thoughts....... So that they can sway the opinions of the people in the middle! That is their only real chance of getting their agenda on the ballots. If some ignorant person reads that they are sure to think that if even the "Goat Ranchers" want to protect Cougars more then it must be a good idea.

That is my take anyhow! IF you google "Goat Ranchers of Oregon" there is NO INFO on them as far as how to join etc. It is a make believe pile of BS yet the media gives them validation. I have been a member of the OREGON MEAT GOAT GROWERS and they have nothing to do with this as far as I know.

If I'm way off please let me know. I have not had much time to research this so I though I would throw it out here in case some of you had.

ehunter · 02-13-2008, 12:04 PM

good catch I wonder if the ranchers who supposedly signed this are public knowledge. If so how many one or 2? Your right they throw crud like this out there all the time. I wonder if they would have mentioned the public that wants this to happen. Maybe the news papers ought to go investigate on their own instead of taking this from Peta I am sure that there are some ranchers who don't care but I am willing to bet that there are lot more who do care.

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Originally Posted by Joe

Did any of you see this or any of the other articles?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...arlawsuit.html

In an attempt to get the uninformed public behind them on this issue the anti's are claiming that the "Goat Ranchers of Oregon" and some other farm sounding group are in favor of more protection for cougars. Now why would they do that? My thoughts....... So that they can sway the opinions of the people in the middle! That is their only real chance of getting their agenda on the ballots. If some ignorant person reads that they are sure to think that if even the "Goat Ranchers" want to protect Cougars more then it must be a good idea.

That is my take anyhow! IF you google "Goat Ranchers of Oregon" there is NO INFO on them as far as how to join etc. It is a make believe pile of BS yet the media gives them validation. I have been a member of the OREGON MEAT GOAT GROWERS and they have nothing to do with this as far as I know.

If I'm way off please let me know. I have not had much time to research this so I though I would throw it out here in case some of you had.

baltz526 · 02-13-2008, 12:44 PM

a couple goats on a few acres is not a ranch, that is what this was based on. a phony ranch run be antihunters with a few goats

BlacktailBowhunter · 02-13-2008, 04:38 PM

Those Goat Ropers were down at the Capital and gave testimony during the HB 2971 hearings, which is the House Bill that the article in the paper pertains to. They were there with Sally Mackey of the Sierra Club.

By the way, thanks for the post. Most people are apathetic to hunter's demise.

Any interest in preserving your hunting rights? Contact me for further info.

Zeke · 02-13-2008, 05:11 PM

"Ranchers for Rural Responsibility" was a guest on one of the local radio talk shows recently here in Portland. It seems to be a guy who owns 43 acres and has been keeping goats on it for about 6 years. He didn't say where. He kept calling himself a "rancher". He was a typical, whiney tree hugger with no facts, just "feelings". He said he doesn't begrudge the cats a goat now and then.

He's not trying to raise cattle on a few hundred acres of high desert, like some folks I know. If he loses a $50 goat he'll survive, but if you lose 3 or 4 calves a year to cats that's a potential $10K loss. How many of us can afford that kind of money to feed the State of Oregon's cougars?

I'm also a houndsman. I don't like the current cougar plan because it's a quick fix. The deer and elk herds are hurting, so the plan is to thin the cougar with volunteer "agents" so the rifle hunters will stop screaming. Never mind that houndsmen have been frozen out of sport hunting for cougar and bear entirely. Anybody who thinks I'm going to risk my hounds to help out with the Oregon cougar plan is sadly mistaken. When this...

...comes falling out of the tree the results aren't always pretty. This dog will be out for the season and may require surgery...

SummerRun Slayer · 02-13-2008, 05:20 PM

thats a big kitty, the dog doesn't look like he likes the bandages much either.

striperson · 02-13-2008, 06:57 PM

I did a search on Goat Ranchers of Oregon in the State business registry. Turns out that there must be a goat ranch on Grand Ave in Portland. The business was registered by a Michael Moss on January 9,2008. That was a couple of weeks before they filed suit to block the cougar plan. The principal place of business is registered at 4314 NE Grand Ave in Portland. The authorized representative is listed as Michael Moss at the same address. Mr Moss is also listed as the President of Big Wildlife which is a predator defense group mentioned in the SanDiego article. Big Wildlife is registered at a Williams Oregon address. Moss is registered as the President with a Jacksonville Or address. Oh what a tangled web they weave.

duckboy · 02-13-2008, 07:33 PM

Ahh Yes,

We all know the what a plethora of economic value and Environmental assistance the Goat Ranchers provide.

With a long history to set the stage,

In oregon, as in much of America, Goat ranchers have done so much for us all.

I mean, Lets line it up.

7 goats sold for Weed control to the Bagwan Shree Rashneesh in 1978, and then, well there are the tens of gallons pf Goat milk utilized across the nation for the booming Feta Cheese industry.

To let the valuable contributions made by the G.R.O. (Goat Ranchers of Oregon) to the conservation of the vital balance between predator and prey, to all they've done through their donated Feta Revenues to foster better land management, and Resource Management go by without notice and accolades, well,

It would be a travesty.

CombinationLicense · 02-13-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by striperson

I did a search on Goat Ranchers of Oregon in the State business registry. Turns out that there must be a goat ranch on Grand Ave in Portland. The business was registered by a Michael Moss on January 9,2008. That was a couple of weeks before they filed suit to block the cougar plan. The principal place of business is registered at 4314 NE Grand Ave in Portland. The authorized representative is listed as Michael Moss at the same address. Mr Moss is also listed as the President of Big Wildlife which is a predator defense group mentioned in the SanDiego article. Big Wildlife is registered at a Williams Oregon address. Moss is registered as the President with a Jacksonville Or address. Oh what a tangled web they weave.

Nice bit of research striperson

"CL"

ehunter · 02-13-2008, 07:54 PM

Wow great info I wonder if we should let all the real ranchers in Eastern Oreogon no maybe they could write him some fan mail and let him know how much they apprecaite him speaking on their behalf.

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Originally Posted by striperson

I did a search on Goat Ranchers of Oregon in the State business registry. Turns out that there must be a goat ranch on Grand Ave in Portland. The business was registered by a Michael Moss on January 9,2008. That was a couple of weeks before they filed suit to block the cougar plan. The principal place of business is registered at 4314 NE Grand Ave in Portland. The authorized representative is listed as Michael Moss at the same address. Mr Moss is also listed as the President of Big Wildlife which is a predator defense group mentioned in the SanDiego article. Big Wildlife is registered at a Williams Oregon address. Moss is registered as the President with a Jacksonville Or address. Oh what a tangled web they weave.

Rank Amateur · 02-13-2008, 08:01 PM

Maybe send him some goat pellets so he knows what they look like .

striperson · 02-13-2008, 08:41 PM

Thanks CL. It is amazing how a few individuals in Southern Oregon have banded together to create these bogus businesses and use those as vehicles to file lawsuits. To bad the newspapers don't do alittle background work and see the house of cards for what it is.

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Originally Posted by CombinationLicense

Nice bit of research striperson

"CL"

CombinationLicense · 02-13-2008, 09:35 PM

I did a little more research on Michael Moss and it turns out that he's listed as part of two other southern Oregon businesses - One is a "natural products co-op" and the other is an actual goat ranch that makes goat cheese. I guess that qualifies as an "association" in the eyes of the state and media.

BTW - now that we have the hook set, you owe us an introductory story. It's usual and customary for new IFISHers to post something about themselves by way of telling a story. C'mon, whatcha got for us?

"CL"

Joe · 02-14-2008, 06:57 AM

Thanks for the research guys! That is exactly what I figured the case was. There is a Oregon Meat Goat Producers group that represents the actual goat ranchers of the state and of course they are in favor of controlling predators.

Like Striperson said.......too bad the media is so quick to buy this kind of phony baloney and not exposing them for what they are.

Zeke you are right on the Cougar Plan not being the best case scenario. We had that with sport hound hunting but unfortunately this is the next best thing.