Allocation... Now what??

[fishtracker]

Does anyone know what happens next in the allocation process? WA has the 65/35 split and OR has the 53/47 split with one day sport closure. Does this now get turned over to the stakeholder's process in which the commercials have a louder voice, until they agree on something in-between the two states numbers? Will this stakeholder's meeting be open to the public's comments? Did the stakeholders even attend the OR and WA meetings, seems like they should at least hear all the public testimonies before making a decision? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to figure out how this whole process works. Thanks!

[Biteme]

This is the wiggle room part. Wiggle room is something that the commissions of both states allow there states rep to the compact to have to adjust things so that the commercials get what they want. Watch and see.

[Jerry Dove]

Does anyone know who is on the committie? My state rep. says "I HAVE HEARD IT HAS A FAIR NUMBER OF BOTH". Sounds like she is not sure. If any one has the info, I will be happy to get it to her. JD

[wayout]

Originally Posted by fishtracker

Does anyone know what happens next in the allocation process? WA has the 65/35 split and OR has the 53/47 split with one day sport closure. Does this now get turned over to the stakeholder's process in which the commercials have a louder voice, until they agree on something in-between the two states numbers? Will this stakeholder's meeting be open to the public's comments? Did the stakeholders even attend the OR and WA meetings, seems like they should at least hear all the public testimonies before making a decision? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to figure out how this whole process works. Thanks!

What happens next is a Columbia River Compact meeting Feb 15th in Vancouver, WA at the Water Resources Center??? That's where they work out the differences between the states.

Some of those so-called stakeholders were there and testified. In fact WE are the stakeholders, and some of these individuals and groups are purported to represent us.

[wayout]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dove

Does anyone know who is on the committie? My state rep. says "I HAVE HEARD IT HAS A FAIR NUMBER OF BOTH". Sounds like she is not sure. If any one has the info, I will be happy to get it to her. JD

The info has been posted many times on ifish, including within the last few days. Seek and ye shall find.

[Jerry Dove]

Originally Posted by wayout

The info has been posted many times on ifish, including within the last few days. Seek and ye shall find.

Thank you.JD

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dove

Does anyone know who is on the committie? My state rep. says "I HAVE HEARD IT HAS A FAIR NUMBER OF BOTH". Sounds like she is not sure. If any one has the info, I will be happy to get it to her. JD

Jerry --- Here ya go.

Bruce Buckmaster
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 1176
Astoria, OR 97103

Dennis Richey
Oregon Anglers
P.O. Box 253
West Linn, OR 97068

Les Clark
Northwest Gillnetters Association
P.O. Drawer C
Chinook WA 98614

Butch Smith
Ilwaco Charter Association
P.O. Box 268
Ilwaco, WA 98624

Phil Donovan
Northwest Steelheaders
P.O. Box 489
Tualatin, OR 97062

Gary Soderstrom
Columbia River Fisherman’s Protective Union
P.O. Box 747
Clatskanie, OR 97016

Liz Hamilton
Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association
P.O. Box 4
Oregon City, OR 97045

Stan Steele
CCA
26123 Inavale Way
Corvallis, OR 97333

Jim Harmon
Southwest Washington Anglers
711 Countryside Drive
Vancouver, WA 98684

Robert Sudar
734 Fall Creek Rd
Longview, WA 98632

Hobe Kytr
Salmon For All
P.O. Box 56
Astoria, OR 97103

Steve Watrous
Columbia Pacific Anglers
1012 SE 125th Ave
Vancouver, WA 98683

Irene Martin
Special committee advisor
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 83
Skamokawa, WA 98647

[RiverRogue]

Irene Martin
Special committee advisor
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 83
Skamokawa, WA 98647
__________________


WHAT is up with this one? The gillnetters are already reresented very well, then she is there as their "Special Committee Advisor"? Where did that come from? A deffinate overload to the ****** side when special positions are created that have no real basis. I hope the Stakeholders Group is expanded to include more on the sport side, as was suggested before the ODF&W Commissioners.

[MsOutdrs]

Originally Posted by RiverRogue

Irene Martin
Special committee advisor
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 83
Skamokawa, WA 98647
__________________


WHAT is up with this one? The gillnetters are already reresented very well, then she is there as their "Special Committee Advisor"? Where did that come from? A deffinate overload to the ****** side when special positions are created that have no real basis. I hope the Stakeholders Group is expanded to include more on the sport side, as was suggested before the ODF&W Commissioners.

I don't know this for sure, but I was told that she is the wife of a gillnetter.

[Bill Monroe]

I don't think there's enough time to get this committee together.

What I'm told is that the two directors (Koenigs and Elicker) get their heads together and iron out a negotiated agreement.

This probably will be done by Wednesday because the technical team (bios from both states) will have to crunch a lot of numbers before the compact meeting Friday.

[bcanini]

Originally Posted by MsOutdrs

I don't know this for sure, but I was told that she is the wife of a gillnetter.

yup....
we have 4 friends on this right now.

Steele, Donovan, Harmon, Hamilton.
who knows where Richey stands truly, Buckmaster is affiliated w/OA as a tech. advisor.

B

[drano100]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

I don't think there's enough time to get this committee together.

What I'm told is that the two directors (Koenigs and Elicker) get their heads together and iron out a negotiated agreement.

This probably will be done by Wednesday because the technical team (bios from both states) will have to crunch a lot of numbers before the compact meeting Friday.

here come the nets

[RiverRogue]

Originally Posted by MsOutdrs

I don't know this for sure, but I was told that she is the wife of a gillnetter.

The gillnetters are represented well, WITHOUT her! (Not a personal attack.) But really, what criteria befits her sitting on the committee? Pure politics!!!! I smell something rotten and it makes me nauseous! Maybe a bit skeptical...just don't see anything good coming out of it in its current configuration.

[MsOutdrs]

And do the netters have some idea of what their NEXT occupation/job training will be in when there are no longer any fish for THEM either? Why aren't they interested in good fish management to preserve these runs for THEIR future generations also? Totally different mentality, I guess, in their arena. I just don't get it!

[pearl]

who knows where Richey stands truly,

I sat in on the second vision committee meeting in December and was quite shocked that Dennis Richey and Bruce Buckmaster were teaming up on a number of issues they addressed.
Looking back at my notes Richey's main concern seemed to be predation of sea lions and terns.
Because of how close he seemed to Buckmaster I came home and researched the organization he is affiliated with. I didn't come up with anything to exciting but I was uncomfortable with his allegiance after leaving that meeting.
I have crossed paths with Richey at various salmon / steelhead fundraisers over the years but have never met him. I'll have to ask some questions next we meet.

[Gun Rod Bow]

Originally Posted by RiverRogue

Irene Martin
Special committee advisor
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 83
Skamokawa, WA 98647
__________________


WHAT is up with this one? The gillnetters are already reresented very well, then she is there as their "Special Committee Advisor"? Where did that come from? A deffinate overload to the ****** side when special positions are created that have no real basis. I hope the Stakeholders Group is expanded to include more on the sport side, as was suggested before the ODF&W Commissioners.

Irene is married to a Gillnetter. And has testified as to the Gillnetting communities need to gillnet the mainstem for years.

Odd thing <not really> is at the last Visioning meeting in Salem, when the question came up about who else needed to be on the Stake Holders group, Irene said "We have all we need, no one else needs to be added".

Wow. The person that seems to me has the least reason to be there, wants to slam the gate with the imballance currently in place. No wonder the comms all testified to being in support of Visioning, and the sports all laughed.

If ODFW really wants Visioning to work, they had better be sure it ballances out.

[Reeldeahl]

I know that you all have heard about it but the CCA is our one and only hope. We have got to get behind this and shove it! I was in one of the booths at the show and we had a lot of intrest but we need members. Not only for the measly 25 bucks, 1/2 tank of gas, but numbers of members. Number of members reflects number of voters to them. We don't have too many more chances to stop the distruction before it is too late. Find a chapter and do it now, not in a few months but now. Vancouver is meeting this Tuesday find the one closest to you and go, listen if you haven't heard why. You all seem passionate enough to complain now do something for 25 bucks. Not only for us but for our kids....

[Capt. Hook]

Originally Posted by bcanini

yup....
we have 4 friends on this right now.

Steele, Donovan, Harmon, Hamilton.
who knows where Richey stands truly, Buckmaster is affiliated w/OA as a tech. advisor.

B

I know where Richey stands. Right behind the commercial harvesters. At one of the visoning meetings he remarked to me that he was sure glad there were no "fish advocacy" groups represented. I asked why he said that. He said they just "clog up the process". I said "you mean like the gillnetters?" He turned away and never spoke to me after that. I'm still wondering what Oregon Anglers stands for, as an organization. I looked up the org. when I got home. One of their affiliates was Salmon for All. ??

[wayout]

Originally Posted by Capt. Hook

I know where Richey stands. Right behind the commercial harvesters. At one of the visoning meetings he remarked to me that he was sure glad there were no "fish advocacy" groups represented. I asked why he said that. He said they just "clog up the process". I said "you mean like the gillnetters?" He turned away and never spoke to me after that. I'm still wondering what Oregon Anglers stands for, as an organization. I looked up the org. when I got home. One of their affiliates was Salmon for All. ??

Capt. Hook,

You need to read the website more carefully. Salmon for All is not an affiliate of Oregon Anglers, but on the home page there are a lot of reports about the Pinniped Interaction Task Force and 2 members of that task force are listed side by side: Dennis Richey, Treasurer of Oregon Anglers, and Buckmaster from Salmon for All. Those were the only 2 fishing organizations.

The members of OA include many respected fishery scientists, fishery activists, and fishers. Here's the page you want to look at:

http://www.oregon-anglers.org/members.html

Here's some detail on Dennis Richey:

Dennis Richey- (Salmon/trout co-chair, Chair of the Oregon Hatchery Research Center Advisory Board, Sport fishing rep. on the federal Pinniped Interaction Task Force, Member of the Columbia River Visioning Process, Upper Willamette Basin Plan Stakeholders Advisory, Governor's Coastal Coho Recovery Team, ODFW's Conservation Leaders Group, Ocean Sport Fishing Advisory Committee, ODFW's Statewide Wildlife Conservation Strategy Stakeholders, Native Fish Conservation Policy and Hatchery Management Plan Committee, 2005 Fishing Regulation Review Board)

(West Linn) Treasurer

[freespool]

Butch Smith
Ilwaco Charter Association
P.O. Box 268
Ilwaco, WA 98624


Steve Watrous
Columbia Pacific Anglers
1012 SE 125th Ave
Vancouver, WA 98683


I'm just a bit curious as what what stake charter boats have in the spring chinook visionary committee?
I've never even heard of a spring chinook charter fishery.
And who the heck does Steve Watrous represent?
And why is he always being nominated to all these committees?
So they have room for folks with little or no stake in the process, yet we see no representation from guides, or salmon advocacy groups? Seems that the fish have a huge stake in this process, who's standing up for their best interests?

[Capt. Hook]

Originally Posted by wayout

Capt. Hook,

You need to read the website more carefully. Salmon for All is not an affiliate of Oregon Anglers, but on the home page there are a lot of reports about the Pinniped Interaction Task Force and 2 members of that task force are listed side by side: Dennis Richey, Treasurer of Oregon Anglers, and Buckmaster from Salmon for All. Those were the only 2 fishing organizations.

The members of OA include many respected fishery scientists, fishery activists, and fishers. Here's the page you want to look at:

http://www.oregon-anglers.org/members.html

Here's some detail on Dennis Richey:

Dennis Richey- (Salmon/trout co-chair, Chair of the Oregon Hatchery Research Center Advisory Board, Sport fishing rep. on the federal Pinniped Interaction Task Force, Member of the Columbia River Visioning Process, Upper Willamette Basin Plan Stakeholders Advisory, Governor's Coastal Coho Recovery Team, ODFW's Conservation Leaders Group, Ocean Sport Fishing Advisory Committee, ODFW's Statewide Wildlife Conservation Strategy Stakeholders, Native Fish Conservation Policy and Hatchery Management Plan Committee, 2005 Fishing Regulation Review Board)

(West Linn) Treasurer

Ok, I'll stand corrected on that. I still am puzzled over the comments by Richey about his opinion of Fish Advocay Groups.

I don't think you will find any members of Salmon for All on CCAs website.

[Two Fister]

Who is nominating these positions? Sounds like they need a few thousand letters from ifish and CCA members to "clog up the process".
TF

[Jerry Dove]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Jerry --- Here ya go.

Bruce Buckmaster
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 1176
Astoria, OR 97103

Dennis Richey
Oregon Anglers
P.O. Box 253
West Linn, OR 97068

Les Clark
Northwest Gillnetters Association
P.O. Drawer C
Chinook WA 98614

Butch Smith
Ilwaco Charter Association
P.O. Box 268
Ilwaco, WA 98624

Phil Donovan
Northwest Steelheaders
P.O. Box 489
Tualatin, OR 97062

Gary Soderstrom
Columbia River Fisherman’s Protective Union
P.O. Box 747
Clatskanie, OR 97016

Liz Hamilton
Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association
P.O. Box 4
Oregon City, OR 97045

Stan Steele
CCA
26123 Inavale Way
Corvallis, OR 97333

Jim Harmon
Southwest Washington Anglers
711 Countryside Drive
Vancouver, WA 98684

Robert Sudar
734 Fall Creek Rd
Longview, WA 98632

Hobe Kytr
Salmon For All
P.O. Box 56
Astoria, OR 97103

Steve Watrous
Columbia Pacific Anglers
1012 SE 125th Ave
Vancouver, WA 98683

Irene Martin
Special committee advisor
Salmon for All
P.O. Box 83
Skamokawa, WA 98647

Thanks Jack. JD

[Dan Grogan]

The next step is for the ODFW & WDFW directors to meet and come up with what they think they can do to come to a meeting of the minds. Then the WDFW director has to go back to his commission (at least thats what the WDFW commissioners made very clear at the compact call) and decide whats the compromise. Then the two state compact meets on Friday to decide seasons.

As far as the visioning process, their are a couple supposedly sport reps, that are very questionable, as far as their past actions. I don't believe they have the "full" best interest of sports in mind. IMO

Dan Grogan
Fisherman's Marine & Outdoor

[garyk]

At Friday's ODFW hearing, most of the Stakeholder Group members testified on behalf of their constituents:

Notably absent were:

Steve Watrous Columbia Pacific Anglers
Dennis Richey Oregon Anglers
Ilwaco Charter Association - not sure?

Supposedly these are 'sport fishing interests'. I don't believe any of these three testified at WDFW's meeting Vancouver either.

Regarding Oregon Anglers, Richey's testimony at the 2006 ODFW hearing consisted of a tepid request for "fair allocations" and didn't demand a percentage - as was the sports angler strategy.

I give all three of those 'representatives' a vote of - NO CONFIDENCE.

Here's the Stakeholder Members who did stand up for anglers:

Phil Donovan Northwest Steelheaders - testified
Liz Hamilton Northwest Sportfishing Ind.Assoc. testified
Stan Steele -CCA
Southwest Washington Anglers - not sure? Did at Vanc.


And our opponents:

Bruce Buckmaster - Salmon for All - testified
Northwest Gillnetters Association - a rep testified
Columbia River Fisherman’s Protective Union - testified
Robert Sudar, fish buyer - not sure
Hobe Kytr Salmon For All - testified
Irene Martin, Salmon for All - tesified

[wayout]

Originally Posted by Capt. Hook

Ok, I'll stand corrected on that. I still am puzzled over the comments by Richey about his opinion of Fish Advocay Groups.

I don't think you will find any members of Salmon for All on CCAs website.

I don't get that either. Maybe he was talking about PETA or the Native Fish Society, that might have a different take on harvest than he did.

Ummmm...If CCA listed all of the members of the Pinniped Task Force on their web site, I hope they would list everyone that's a member including their associations. OA listed them all just as they should have. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

[Dan Grogan]

Originally Posted by garyk

At Friday's ODFW hearing, most of the Stakeholder Group members testified on behalf of their constituents:

Notably absent were:

Steve Watrous Columbia Pacific Anglers
Dennis Richey Oregon Anglers
Ilwaco Charter Association - not sure?

Supposedly these are 'sport fishing interests'. I don't believe any of these three testified at WDFW's meeting Vancouver either.

Regarding Oregon Anglers, Richey's testimony at the 2006 ODFW hearing consisted of a tepid request for "fair allocations" and didn't demand a percentage - as was the sports angler strategy.

I give all three of those 'representatives' a vote of - NO CONFIDENCE.

Here's the Stakeholder Members who did stand up for anglers:

Phil Donovan Northwest Steelheaders - testified
Liz Hamilton Northwest Sportfishing Ind.Assoc. testified
Stan Steele -CCA
Southwest Washington Anglers - not sure? Did at Vanc.


And our opponents:

Bruce Buckmaster - Salmon for All - testified
Northwest Gillnetters Association - a rep testified
Columbia River Fisherman’s Protective Union - testified
Robert Sudar, fish buyer - not sure
Hobe Kytr Salmon For All - testified
Irene Martin, Salmon for All - tesified

This is pretty much right on.

[Springer43]

Originally Posted by bcanini

yup....
we have 4 friends on this right now.

Steele, Donovan, Harmon, Hamilton.
who knows where Richey stands truly, Buckmaster is affiliated w/OA as a tech. advisor.

B

I'm not even too sure about Donovan any more. It seemed like from Bill's live feed on the Oregon Commission Meeting that Donovan testified for status quo? How does that represent sportfishing interest?

[diamondfish]

Now what???

Stay the course......Continue to fish, continue to support CCA, continue to send letters to your legislators and representatives. Don't allow this decision to further fragment us.

We must stay united!!

[MsOutdrs]

Originally Posted by Two Fister

Who is nominating these positions? Sounds like they need a few thousand letters from ifish and CCA members to "clog up the process".
TF

Who DOES nominate these people???

[garyk]

Originally Posted by MsOutdrs

Who DOES nominate these people???

The current participants were selected by the agencies....with the possible exception of CCA; I'll leave that explanation to CCA.

There is/was no formal nomination process.

[pearl]

who knows where Richey stands truly,

OK, went back and reviewed my motes from the 2nd stakeholders vision meeting in Longview.

Question - What does a successful Columbia Fishery look like?
Richey - 2001 was a banner year on the Willamette. A good fishery satisfies all users.

Later in the discussion -Richey - Start working on predation Now! sea lions and birds. Sand and Rice Islands need to be buried 2ft under water.

Question - How should seasons be set?
Richey - The fish are coming in later in the seasons. Need to move fishing opportunities later in the season. Guides want set seasons.

I can't say the Dennis Richey ( Oregon Anglers? ) is supporting the commercial fishery nor the sports side. Seems to be riding on top of the fence?

[Lou]

Originally Posted by garyk

The current participants were selected by the agencies....with the possible exception of CCA; I'll leave that explanation to CCA.

There is/was no formal nomination process.

Not right! No wonder they (comms) want the Shareholder
Group! That equals status quo! This is a sick system.

[Lou]

Received this a few minutes ago!
I complained to Rep Flores about the waste of time Sat and
the Stakeholder process.

Lou -- we'll get more details on the visioning plan and get back to you.

As for the Commission members -- the sportfishing community needs to pressure Governor Kulongoski to appoint people to the Commission who will be fair and more considerate of your desires. There is not much we can do from a legislative perspective.

Thanks for the update.

Dawn Phillips
Chief of Staff
State Representative Linda Flores
503.986.1451
900 Court St. NE H-287
Salem, OR 97301
rep.lindaflores@state.or.us
www.leg.state.or.us/flores

By the way good job to all the sportsmen, guides and
most all Ginny and Liz, who testified for the sports fishers.
I really think the commission had its mind made up before
we got there. Any one notice the one commissioner sleeping?
Lou

[Ginny Ross]

Originally Posted by Lou

By the way good job to all the sportsmen, guides and

most all Ginny and Liz, who testified for the sports fishers.
I really think the commission had its mind made up before
we got there. Any one notice the one commissioner sleeping?
Lou

Thanks, Lou! And thanks for pestering your legislator. We need to send a strong message. I wish we could expose the Stakeholder process for the status quo producing process that it is. By the way, Liz did the fabulous job -- I am trying to catch up to her. Also, I was very impressed by all the sportfishing industry folks putting in double and triple duty this weekend. You will all be movie stars when my videos are done. Stay posted at this video blog: http://gillnetskilltheater.blip.tv

[ORhunter]

Elimination.........

[garyk]

I'm bumping this up for Lou and others who are wondering -- "who's on our side?"

[Lou]

Originally Posted by garyk

I'm bumping this up for Lou and others who are wondering -- "who's on our side?"

Thanks Gary!
Info sent to Salem!

[Ginny Ross]

Originally Posted by Springer43

I'm not even too sure about Donovan any more. It seemed like from Bill's live feed on the Oregon Commission Meeting that Donovan testified for status quo? How does that represent sportfishing interest?

Hi Springer,

For your info, here is Phil Donovan's testimony:

http://gillnetskilltheater.blip.tv/#670261

I found this part interesting, if not concerning. Not sure why he'd be advocating such a long net fishery, but he did mention this idea for only after the run size update.

"I want to make also a comment as it relates to the buffer and the use of gillnets to maximize catch after the run size update. I think this might be a difficult pill for the commercial fleet to swallow, but I think when you look at this year, this is the year that that might be a fantastic opportunity because when you consider the size of the run, when you consider the snowpack that we’ve got, you might very well want to have nets in the river on May 1, and it may be very, very profitable."