OR Legislators Side with Gillnetters, Duped by "Visioning" Sham

[garyk]

This just in.....not verified. I've no reason to doubt its authenticity.
Read it closely (sorry best quality I can manage, PM me if you want the file):

[edit...Click on the thumbnail to open and view the letter that appears drafted by the gillnet industry]

[flyin chrome]

Theres nothing there?

[pnwcoast]

I've seen it and I'm not happy. Seems like my vote will be important next election.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by flyin chrome

Theres nothing there?

Weird? I can see the full page letter.
(Maybe it has to do with user setting preferences?)

Maybe the mods can modify it?

[Streetwalker]

Incredible!! I have allready written Rep Witt & Sen Johnson (they were 2 of those that signed on)to request a face to face w/ Columbia County constituents to explain the sham that their calling the "visioning" process. Any others of you who's legislators signed on should think about doing the same!

[freespool]

I see no link, please keep us updated.

[butwhymalemodels]

Originally Posted by freespool

I see no link, please keep up updated.

Diddo

[Hell-B]

I received this back today.

Mike,

Thank you for your e-mail. Representative Bruun is supportive of the sports anglers and recently submitted a letter to the ODFW Commission urging them to allocate a 70/30 split at this Friday's hearing.

We will keep a close eye on this issue and are hoping for a more positive outcome for the sports anglers.

Best regards,
Alison Bruun
Legislative Assistant
503-986-1437

[butwhymalemodels]

What is the gist of the article, for those of us that can't see it?

[JohnnyP]

Have no idea what it says but my guess is we're getting are rear end kicked via the back door.

[wayout]

Another person can't see this. Can you type it in? Or something?

[freespool]

I think this is good thing, we now know their power base, areas you would expect for commercial fishing.
There are way more politicians in the metro/Willamette Valley to crush that consortium.
We need to put pressure on our government Representatives, they will listen, votes are very important, as we have seen with this action.
I have read the letter sent to the commission from several coastal politicians.
I'm having the same problem Gary experienced, I can't post the link.

[fish_on]

we need your gmail user name and password to see it

[freespool]

Originally Posted by fish_on

we need your gmail user name and password to see it

Some documents are embedded with the toxic ain't gonna happen.

[garyk]

It's a simple .pdf file.

NOT a link.

When I view my post, the whole <sorry> letter is there.

IF somebody's good with manipulating .pdf, or you just want to see the darn thing, PM me your email and I will email to you.

Once we get this posted, you'll not only be wearing red, but seeing RED too.

[garyk]

Lets try this...


[/quote]

[Lou]

This was in my mail box this eve!

Just to let you know Rep Flores has submitted a letter in support of sportfishing interests to the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission for their consideration at their meeting on Friday.

There has been a change in the Commission schedule Friday. The allocation hearing will begin at 8 am at the Commission Headquarters;

3406 Cherry Avenue NE
Salem, Oregon 97303

You can still submit testimony by attending the meeting or email casaria.r.tuttle@state.or.us. For more information about the meeting use these links.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2008/january/013108.asp

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/agency/commission/minutes/08/02_february/index.asp

Thanks,

Dawn Phillips
Chief of Staff
State Representative
Linda Flores
900 Court Street NE H-287

Is someone listening? I think so. I fish and I vote!

[freespool]

I still get nothing but a blank screen with those links.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Lou

This was in my mail box this eve!

For more information about the meeting use these links.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2008/january/013108.asp

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/agency/commission/minutes/08/02_february/index.asp

The links should be these:
Fish and Wildlife Commission meets in Salem Feb. 7-8

COMMISSION AGENDA: February 7 & 8, 2008 Agenda

[Lou]

Originally Posted by Pete

The links should be these:
Fish and Wildlife Commission meets in Salem Feb. 7-8

COMMISSION AGENDA: February 7 & 8, 2008 Agenda

Those show up for me----I cann't get the on in the original post.
Are they the same?

[garyk]

As an image??????

[Trick]

That worked....a little small, but readable.

Thanks!

[butwhymalemodels]

Yup. I see it now, too. Unbelievable.

[garyk]

Max IFish image size:

[Trick]

Deborah Boone
Brad Witt
Wayne Krieger
Betsy Johnson
Arnie Roblan
Jean Cowan
Joanne Verger
Doug Whitsett
Jeff Kruse


Remember this when it comes time to vote!

[TheSteelheader]

I am at a loss for words...

Just make sure that everyone remembers who the State Reps were that signed the letter.

[garyk]

Here is the contact info for the Legislators who signed onto the letter.

Folks at the Sportsman show tomorrow ought to copy the letter, and the contacts on another side, and lend their cell phones to folks visiting the booths to call these Legislators and educate them about the sports fishing side of the story:

Representative Deborah Boone Back to Top
See attached letter in support of lower river gillnetting this year.

Party: D District: 32
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1432
Interim Phone: 503-717-9182
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE, H-375, Salem, , OR, 97301
Interim Address: PO Box 928, Cannon Beach, OR, 97110
Email: rep.deborahboone@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/boone

Representative Brad Witt Back to Top
Party: D District: 31
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1431
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, H-277, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: rep.bradwitt@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/witt

Representative Wayne Krieger Back to Top
Party: R District: 1
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1401
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., H-378, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: rep.waynekrieger@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/krieger

Representative Arnie Roblan Back to Top
Party: D District: 9
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1409
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE, H-292, Salem,, OR, 97301
Email: rep.arnieroblan@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/roblan

Representative Jean Cowan Back to Top
Party: D District: 10
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1410
Interim Phone: 541-867-4233
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, H-473, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 3101 SE Ferry Slip Rd #322, Newport, OR, 97365
Email: rep.jeancowan@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/cowan

Senator Betsy Johnson Back to Top
Party: D District: 16
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1716
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-314, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: sen.betsyjohnson@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/johnson

Senator Jeff Kruse Back to Top
Party: R District: 1
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1701
Interim Phone: 541-673-7201
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-211, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 636 Wild Iris Lane, Roseburg, OR, 97470
Email: sen.jeffkruse@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/kruse



Senator Joanne Verger Back to Top
Party: D District: 5
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1705
Interim Phone: 541-267-7611
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-301, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 2285 N 13th Ct., Coos Bay, OR, 97420
Email: sen.joanneverger@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/verger

Senator Doug Whitsett Back to Top
Party: R District: 28
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1728
Interim Phone: 541-882-1315
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE., S-302, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 23131 North Poe Valley Rd., Klamath Falls, OR, 97603
Email: sen.dougwhitsett@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/whitsett See attached letter in support of lower river gillnetting this year.

[wayout]

Throw the bums out...Don't vote Republican or Democrat ...vote Fish!!

[Trick]

Here was my response to Betsy:


To Betsy Johnson,

I wanted to let you know of my disappointment tonight when I discovered your signature on a endorsement letter supporting gillnets. This non-selective form of commercial fishing continues to hammer our ESA stocks with a 30-40% mortality rate. As a former worker in the commercial seafood industry, I have saw the destruction that these devices inflict on fish. They are designed to kill by design. I am not anti-commercial, but anti-gillnet.

Haven't you wondered why these devices have been banned in nearly all U.S. States?

Todd H


Columbia County CCA member

[Thumper]

I can't read the letter. What did it request?

[Deeman]

I have already found and e-mailed the three goofballs from the south coast who signed on to this. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. I told them so and did not mince words about it.
Don Peabody

Oh in did not see the contact info, good idea posting it.

[garyk]

Try this...see if you can click and open.

[Bonk]

That link works now. Unreal

[steelies_R_US]

Sent a letter to all of them, even though not in their districts, letting them I will not vote republican or democrat.........I will vote fish

[garyk]

Originally Posted by garyk

Here is the contact info for the Legislators who signed onto the letter.

Folks at the Sportsman show tomorrow ought to copy the letter, and the contacts on another side, and lend their cell phones to folks visiting the booths to call these Legislators and educate them about the sports fishing side of the story:

Representative Deborah Boone Back to Top
See attached letter in support of lower river gillnetting this year.

Party: D District: 32
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1432
Interim Phone: 503-717-9182
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE, H-375, Salem, , OR, 97301
Interim Address: PO Box 928, Cannon Beach, OR, 97110
Email: rep.deborahboone@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/boone

Representative Brad Witt Back to Top
Party: D District: 31
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1431
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, H-277, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: rep.bradwitt@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/witt

Representative Wayne Krieger Back to Top
Party: R District: 1
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1401
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., H-378, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: rep.waynekrieger@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/krieger

Representative Arnie Roblan Back to Top
Party: D District: 9
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1409
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE, H-292, Salem,, OR, 97301
Email: rep.arnieroblan@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/roblan

Representative Jean Cowan Back to Top
Party: D District: 10
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1410
Interim Phone: 541-867-4233
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, H-473, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 3101 SE Ferry Slip Rd #322, Newport, OR, 97365
Email: rep.jeancowan@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/cowan

Senator Betsy Johnson Back to Top
Party: D District: 16
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1716
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-314, Salem, OR, 97301
Email: sen.betsyjohnson@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/johnson

Senator Jeff Kruse Back to Top
Party: R District: 1
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1701
Interim Phone: 541-673-7201
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-211, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 636 Wild Iris Lane, Roseburg, OR, 97470
Email: sen.jeffkruse@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/kruse



Senator Joanne Verger Back to Top
Party: D District: 5
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1705
Interim Phone: 541-267-7611
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE., S-301, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 2285 N 13th Ct., Coos Bay, OR, 97420
Email: sen.joanneverger@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/verger

Senator Doug Whitsett Back to Top
Party: R District: 28
Capitol Phone: 503-986-1728
Interim Phone: 541-882-1315
Capitol Address: 900 Court St NE., S-302, Salem, OR, 97301
Interim Address: 23131 North Poe Valley Rd., Klamath Falls, OR, 97603
Email: sen.dougwhitsett@state.or.us
Website: http://www.leg.state.or.us/whitsett See attached letter in support of lower river gillnetting this year.

[garyk]

Considering this letter from our legislators, is there still time for the Sportsman Show to add seminars like -

* The $75 Gillnet License - the Secret to Getting Half the Spring and Summer Chinook!

[husker]

well after reading this thread i sent an email to all of the people signing it. i have 1 response so far. here it is

"

Ron,

The sport anglers and the tourism are very important. They put a lot of money into the state. We agree highly

with this. But on the other hand there is a very high percentage of the people that love to eat salmon, will pay

for it, but they do not fish. In order for them to have that chance someone else has to catch it for them. This

also inriches the economy. The commercial fisherman buys licences, boats, fuel, paint, equipment and other

upkeep of their equipment. This coupled with all the other support business puts a tremendous amount of money

back into the system.

The Federal and State hatcheries that the sport fishermen reap the benifit of today were set up by commercial fish

dollars when the dams were put in in the 30s, 40s and 50s to midigate for the lose of commercial fisheries. If we are\

going to be fair to the sport fisheries and commercial fisheries the resourse needs to be shared.

Thank you for writing.

Colleen Krieger

Legislative Assistant for

Representative Wayne Krieger

District 1

"

[Siwash]

Originally Posted by husker

well after reading this thread i sent an email to all of the people signing it. i have 1 response so far. here it is

" ... The commercial fisherman buys licences, boats, fuel, paint, equipment and other upkeep of their equipment. This coupled with all the other support business puts a tremendous amount of money back into the system ... "

Hmmm... Now multiply that by the # of sporties vs the # of commercials... Or do sporties not buy/maintain licenses, boats, & equipment and plunk down for gas/food/lodging, too?

[C-lice]

Originally Posted by husker

well after reading this thread i sent an email to all of the people signing it. i have 1 response so far. here it is

"

Ron,

The sport anglers and the tourism are very important. They put a lot of money into the state. We agree highly


with this. But on the other hand there is a very high percentage of the people that love to eat salmon, will pay


for it, but they do not fish. In order for them to have that chance someone else has to catch it for them. This


also inriches the economy. The commercial fisherman buys licences, boats, fuel, paint, equipment and other


upkeep of their equipment. This coupled with all the other support business puts a tremendous amount of money


back into the system.


The Federal and State hatcheries that the sport fishermen reap the benifit of today were set up by commercial fish


dollars when the dams were put in in the 30s, 40s and 50s to midigate for the lose of commercial fisheries. If we are\


going to be fair to the sport fisheries and commercial fisheries the resourse needs to be shared.

Thank you for writing.

Colleen Krieger


Legislative Assistant for


Representative Wayne Krieger


District 1


"

Eye is happie that are legislature's can hiar peeple with such good grammer skills. Eye am glad that their not writting responces four me!

[AuntyM]

The public's need for fish at market is provided by tribal fisheries. Don't let anyone kid you. In fact, email him back and tell him what the tribal share is and how they now have their own facility to process and market the fish.

[JawHooker]

It is evident that my dollars for gas, food, lodging etc are not needed in their communities, I hope that the gillnets can keep them in business. I will take my out of town fishing money elsewhere. I might not vote for them, but someone that would like my $ does. As for license fees, the commercial interest should be required to match the recreational input. If that means springers go to $500 per pound, it would be closer to inline for what the recreational fisherman pays when you figure all the gear and bait to fish.

[Capt. Hook]

Here's the letter I just fired off to them.

I was handed a copy of the Coastal Coalition letter today and was quite disappointed in what it had to say regarding lower Columbia River Fisheries and who signed it.

Are you really willing to sacrifice Willamette River runs to provide a pittance allotment of perhaps 2300 fish to a lower river commercial fishery, that has time and again gone to the table with excessive demands and unsupported facts regarding the value of Spring Chinook?

This is far and away one of the most wasteful fisheries on any river system in the United States, each year killing hundreds of ESA and protected fish so a couple of hundred part time gillnetters can carry on a tradition that should have been outlawed years ago.

Each year the Willamette run sinks lower and lower and biologists scratch their heads wondering how to fix a dying fishery. It is not going to be fixed by gillnetting it into oblivion. Many people have lost family traditions in the timber industry and the mining industry, even in the farming industry. That is the way things work. You cannot continually give away a resource that is not sustained by either wild or hatchery methods simply to shore up a way of life. I'm third generation Oregonian whose Grandparents started farming in the Willamette Valley. There simply was not enough land to support the offspring of my Grandfather so we each went our own ways and became successful in our own endeavors. No one handed out more land so we could stay on the farm, thank God!

You ask the Department of Fish and Wildlife to look for ways to have a sport and commercial lower river fishery. Do some research on the impacts such a fishery would have on upriver Willamette, McKenzie, Santiam, Molalla watershed runs. There are barely enough projected hatchery fish to fulfill the needs of the hatcheries.

I am a taxpayer and voter as well and am tired of the undying support our local legislators seem to be giving to one industry that has the destruction of wild runs of fish as it's legacy. Have any of you ever heard of sport fishing and the economic spin off benefits it provides?
I remember when Astoria was buzzing with activity in the 70s due to summertime sport fishing. Hundreds of tourists packed the charter boats, motels and restaurants in the morning and afternoons on weekends. I also remember the lively sport fishery on the mid Columbia in the Spring. Marinas were plugged with sport boats. Island beaches on the Columbia from Sauvie Island to Puget Island were packed with beach fishermen. And you have sold all that out so a few lower river families could pass a tradition along to their heirs.

This I can tell you.. I will support no political candidate who sides with an industry that has as it's goal to harvest as many fish as they possibly can, fish that belong to the public, but are harvested and sold by a select few at the expense of wild and protected runs of Salmon and Steelhead. If you choose to support those ideals, then I can only go looking for another more worthy candidate.

Please reconsider your statements of support'

Joseph R. Schwab

[Channel rat]

I just fired off an e-mail to Brad Witt and will also be sending one to Betsy Johnson. We need to put some heat on the politicians who are in bed with the commercial gill netters.
As of now I have not purchased my 2008 fishing licence. I don't know what to do. I have a hard time giving my money to the state which now seems to care so little for our wild fish stocks and the wishes of thousands of sportsmen. Help me out here.

[drano100]

Originally Posted by Channel rat

I just fired off an e-mail to Brad Witt and will also be sending one to Betsy Johnson. We need to put some heat on the politicians who are in bed with the commercial gill netters.
As of now I have not purchased my 2008 fishing licence. I don't know what to do. I have a hard time giving my money to the state which now seems to care so little for our wild fish stocks and the wishes of thousands of sportsmen. Help me out here.

Buy a Washington out of state license if you don't want to fish in the salt it will cost you less the your Oregon one will.

[FisherJack]

[dawhunt]

Originally Posted by FisherJack

:applause :
Bob

[yankee1]

I just moved to Columbia County who are the politians I should write too??

[Capt. Hook]

Originally Posted by yankee1

I just moved to Columbia County who are the politians I should write too??

Senator Betsy Johnson, Rep. Debbie Boone and Rep. Brad Witt.

[yankee1]

Originally Posted by Capt. Hook

Senator Betsy Johnson, Rep. Debbie Boone and Rep. Brad Witt.

Thanks Captn. Hook I wrote my own letter to all three, I joined CCA in December but missed the last two meetings because of work I'll be making the one on the 12th....geez I'm only a block away from the meeting location. Brian

[garyk]

This letter shows just how much education our legislators need. The general public knows far less and will be duped even easier by the gillnet lobby. We are fighting against decades of lies and deception formulated by the gillnetters.

(their deceit was on full display at yesterday's meeting....more about that later)

We are still at the beginning of a long process...don't lose sight of that!

Here's quick note I sent to my Legislators who signed onto that SalmonforAll drafted letter:

*****************************************
sen.betsyjohnson@state.or.us,
rep.bradwitt@state.or.us,


Dear Senator Johnson and Representative Witt:

I was surprised to see your signature on a letter from Rep. Boone's office to the ODFW Commissioners.

The letter appears to argue for the status quo - the most inequitable allocation of spring salmon impacts sport fishers have experienced.

The letter emphasizes the importance of commercial gillnetting, apparently making it a superior use.

As I wrote to you a couple days ago, the commercial fleet is harvesting 60% to 70% of its spring chinook in the off-channel Select Area Fisheries (SAFE areas) created for them by tax payers.

The whole allocation debate is over just an estimated 2400 spring chinook the gillnetters anticipate harvesting outside of the SAFE areas in the mainstem river.

The letter you signed onto argues for again strangling sport fishing and inflicting literally millions of dollars of damage to Oregon's economy so that gillnetters can take about $240,000 worth of MAINSTEM fish (remember these are only 30-40% of their spring salmon harvest).

All this damage for $240,000 just doesn't make sense and is bad for Oregon's economy, ODFW, sport fishers and conservation.

I encourage you to personally meet with sport fishing representatives to hear our concerns and get the full story beyond what Salmon-for-All is telling you.


name, address, etc

[Ginny Ross]

Does anyone know the latest developments with this?

When is the next so-called Visioning meeting and who is going to be at the table?

Are the fish represented yet?

Is Idaho going to be included as a Stakeholder?

Also, if there's a 10 year allocation plan being developed that includes gillnetting, one would think we'd need to object to this in some sort of organized fashion. Does anyone agree?

[Redhawk]

The stakeholders group is a tremendous benefit to the gillnetters and the wild fish stand to loose in this "process". Just listen to the ODFW & WDFW meetings and you can hear the commercial gillnetters hanging their hat on this process. The fish have everything to loose with this stakeholder group. I can see a long term agreement that assists them in continuing to harm ESA fish with their indiscriminant gill nets. Sportsfishing and wild fish will be harmed with this group.

[Big_Daddy]

Originally Posted by Redhawk

The stakeholders group is a tremendous benefit to the gillnetters and the wild fish stand to loose in this "process". Just listen to the ODFW & WDFW meetings and you can hear the commercial gillnetters hanging their hat on this process. The fish have everything to loose with this stakeholder group. I can see a long term agreement that assists them in continuing to harm ESA fish with their indiscriminant gill nets. Sportsfishing and wild fish will be harmed with this group.

You hit the nail on the head.

The visioning process was all we heard about from the gillnetters and their support group of certain commission members during the WDFW meetings.

Unfortunately, most sports fishers that attended the meetings and/or followed the process are not going to surprised by this.

Just another example of sports fishers getting the short end of the stick.

[cowlitzriverfisher]

that is rediculous, once again politicans have yet to suprise me....

[garyk]

Originally Posted by Ginny Ross

Does anyone know the latest developments with this?

Also, if there's a 10 year allocation plan being developed that includes gillnetting, one would think we'd need to object to this in some sort of organized fashion. Does anyone agree?

Glad you asked...

My understanding is that despite the repeated insistence from ODFW Commissioners to include more public stakeholder representation - including guides and Eastern Oregon anglers, a decision was made by the Vision group (but I don't know exactly by whom) to make no changes. No new people at the table. At that allocation hearing, you'll remember Comm.Levy specifically requesting angler representation from her Eastern Oregon district. One or more of the other commissioners made similar requests. (Good for you Ginny for getting that on tape)

The commercial interests are still pushing a 10 year allocation.

Let's be mindful of the nature of this open forum, and who monitors it.

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

Originally Posted by garyk

Considering this letter from our legislators, is there still time for the Sportsman Show to add seminars like -

* The $75 Gillnet License - the Secret to Getting Half the Spring and Summer Chinook!

I just dont get it that licence should be 10 times that much


I always thought the hatcheries were paid for by the corps and with tag and licence dollars.

guess I been wrong all these years.




I dont know if any of you have looked at my thread , my letter to my congresman,

Mr DeFazio seems to genuinely care about us as sportfishers and our salmon runs and I think he would be a great allie for the CCA. I only sent 2 emails to him and he was all over getting somone one from ODFW to contact me to set up a time to discuss my emails. now thats a congresman that cares and is in touch with the public.








Quasi

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[Two Fister]

Originally Posted by Quasimodo the fish killer

I always thought the hatcheries were paid for by the corps and with tag and licence dollars.

guess I been wrong all these years.

Nope. You're correct. The hatcheries are paid for in just that manner.

Nobody has disputed that the non-fishing public needs access to fish. Sportsfishermen have just said over and over that the commercial harvest of need to be done in a way that is selective. Gillnets are not an option.

Gillnetters can either join the 21 century by adopting selective harvest methods or lose their ability to fish. There aren't going to be any other options. Wish the tribes would pay attention to that as well since they claim to be concerned about the health of the fisheries.

And those 100 or so gillnetters are really infusing the economy with all of the money they spend on their broken down rust bucket boats....sheesh. I'd have to say the only person that really sees any significant economic benefit from outfitting gillnet boats sits on the commission.

TF

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

Originally Posted by Two Fister

Nope. You're correct. The hatcheries are paid for in just that manner.

Nobody has disputed that the non-fishing public needs access to fish. Sportsfishermen have just said over and over that the commercial harvest of need to be done in a way that is selective. Gillnets are not an option.

. I'd have to say the only person that really sees any significant economic benefit from outfitting gillnet boats sits on the commission.

TF

The Federal and State hatcheries that the sport fishermen reap the benifit of today were set up by commercial fish


dollars when the dams were put in in the 30s, 40s and 50s to midigate for the lose of commercial fisheries. If we are\


going to be fair to the sport fisheries and commercial fisheries the resourse needs to be shared.

Thank you for writing.

Colleen Krieger

the statement above from mrs Krieger confuses me then. why is she saying the commercials paid for and do still pay for them? seems to me that she is way misinformed then.

maybe somone should send her the pie chart thats been posted on ifish that shows where ODFWs resources come from.




Quasi

.

[freespool]

Originally Posted by Two Fister

Nope. You're correct. The hatcheries are paid for in just that manner.

Nobody has disputed that the non-fishing public needs access to fish. Sportsfishermen have just said over and over that the commercial harvest of need to be done in a way that is selective. Gillnets are not an option.

Gillnetters can either join the 21 century by adopting selective harvest methods or lose their ability to fish. There aren't going to be any other options. Wish the tribes would pay attention to that as well since they claim to be concerned about the health of the fisheries.

And those 100 or so gillnetters are really infusing the economy with all of the money they spend on their broken down rust bucket boats....sheesh. I'd have to say the only person that really sees any significant economic benefit from outfitting gillnet boats sits on the commission.

TF

With the lower river being closed, there are only 60 commercial boats working the spring chinook fishery. How this can be construed as a boom for any local economy is beyond me.
There are literally thousands of sport boats in this very same stretch of river, what do you suppose their economic impact is?
The really sad fact is they don't want to know, because if the truth were known, then they would have to justify their management decisions favoring the commercial harvest group.
So it's better for them to just leave the economic value of a sport caught spring chinook as a unknown.

[Lou]

Originally Posted by Quasimodo the fish killer

The Federal and State hatcheries that the sport fishermen reap the benifit of today were set up by commercial fish


dollars when the dams were put in in the 30s, 40s and 50s to midigate for the lose of commercial fisheries. If we are\


going to be fair to the sport fisheries and commercial fisheries the resourse needs to be shared.

Thank you for writing.

Colleen Krieger

the statement above from mrs Krieger confuses me then. why is she saying the commercials paid for and do still pay for them? seems to me that she is way misinformed then.

maybe somone should send her the pie chart thats been posted on ifish that shows where ODFWs resources come from.




Quasi

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That's the problem, they/she have thier eyes closed and totally believe
the gill netters are a resourse, instead of killing it.