Elk meat for sale?

[KeHols]

No i am not selling elk meat, so all you troopers can put down the ticket book.

But this is what the deal is. A buddy of mine was fortunate to fill his tag the last two years and has a cow tag in the family. He said he has too much elk meat. I sujested not killing the cow but that fell on def ears. He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging.

So is this selling the meat? Or is it selling the packaging?

And as a side note ,I think there are too many cow tags. At least in the Trask unit.

[Archer1000]

Originally Posted by KeHols

No i am not selling elk meat, so all you troopers can put down the ticket book.

But this is what the deal is. A buddy of mine was fortunate to fill his tag the last two years and has a cow tag in the family. He said he has too much elk meat. I sujested not killing the cow but that fell on def ears. He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging.

So is this selling the meat? Or is it selling the packaging?

And as a side note ,I think there are too many cow tags. At least in the Trask unit.

How much is he selling it for. I'm eating tag stew this year, was very unfortunate in my hunt. Willing to buy if it's good cuts.

[baltz526]

not legal, he can transfer it to others by filling out a transfer form. but to sell it in any form is illegal.

[sliverpicker]

He could donate the meat to "Hunters Feeding the Hungry". I think there's info in Oregon Hunter mag for the HFtH program.

[ehunter]

Why kill a cow if you don't need the meat the whole thing sounds wrong to me. If he has more meat than he can use he could donate but again why kill a elk if you don't need the meat to me that is wrong. Yes it is wrong to sell any meat. Even in small packages a bunch of small packages is still selling the meat. Doesn't matter if you steal a penny or a nickle it is still stealing? If he starts down this road he may have trouble stopping later.


quote=sliverpicker;1820677]He could donate the meat to "Hunters Feeding the Hungry". I think there's info in Oregon Hunter mag for the HFtH program.[/quote]

[lastbugle]

No matter how you say it or rationalize it you are killing a wild animal for profit.
I'm pretty sure thats against the law! And for me just plain wrong!

[clacksteel]

Killing more than you can eat...or donate...is wrong. I would never kill something just for the sake of killing it and never kill anything that I couldn't comsume myself or give to people that I know could use it.

[smalldog]

If he is just wanting to be reimbursed for what he paid for processing.
That doesnt sound like meat sales. It certainly is iffy though. How would he know how much each wrap was worth?

[sooslaw]

folks around here may have a couple elk tags in their party and on a good year fill several tags. Thats plenty of extra meat. Feeding your neighbor is a good policy. On a good year when my fiance and I fill our deer tags and i get an elk, that is more than we need. I make my rounds to family members who cant hunt anymore and help fill their freezer. Does this make it wrong for me to hunt and fill my tags?? Just throwing the idea out there?

[HntnFsh]

Originally Posted by smalldog

If he is just wanting to be reimbursed for what he paid for processing.
That doesnt sound like meat sales. It certainly is iffy though. How would he know how much each wrap was worth?

Djvide the cost of packaging by the packages.

[Texascat]

Drama

[Texascat]

Originally Posted by clacksteel

Killing more than you can eat...or donate...is wrong. I would never kill something just for the sake of killing it and never kill anything that I couldn't comsume myself or give to people that I know could use it.

Ever shot a bobcat?

[No Fences]

Originally Posted by sooslaw

folks around here may have a couple elk tags in their party and on a good year fill several tags. Thats plenty of extra meat. Feeding your neighbor is a good policy. On a good year when my fiance and I fill our deer tags and i get an elk, that is more than we need. I make my rounds to family members who cant hunt anymore and help fill their freezer. Does this make it wrong for me to hunt and fill my tags?? Just throwing the idea out there?

Sounds like we do the same thing. I even do this with the fish I catch. I can't eat it all, so why not share with those who aren't fortunate enough to get some on their own?

[Ghost hunter]

I married into a family that has a relative that gives extra elk meat every christmas. I don't know what they do to it but it always taste like *****.
This year we were fortunate they didn't go elk hunting

[DidIPutThePlugIn]

Did he wrap the meat himself? If he had a butcher do it and kept his receipt I wouldn't think selling for the same price he paid for the processing would be illegal. Regardless of whether what he did was ethical or not I'd rather not see the meat wasted at this point whether he get his cost back or donate it. Hopefully he will listen to your advice next time and not shoot an animal he doesn't need or want.

[MattPark]

Maybe all of you hunters should focus on the main question, which had ZERO to do with ethics. The question being asked is whether it's legal to sell bags that happens to have elk meat inside.

He had the legal right to kill the elk, and he did.

[pathfinder]

Why not just gharge the person the ( cost ) of what you paid approx for gasoline you spent on hunting. Man that can be way up there in value!

[Beginners luck]

Originally Posted by clacksteel

Killing more than you can eat...or donate...is wrong. I would never kill something just for the sake of killing it and never kill anything that I couldn't comsume myself or give to people that I know could use it.

Boy....Dont show up in Burns this April to July....
Were just knockin the Sod poodles dead!

But on a serious note. My interpretations of the law is that it is illegal to do what you ask. Whether we think it should be or not isnt the question. Just my

[Fish_N_Russ]

Originally Posted by sooslaw

folks around here may have a couple elk tags in their party and on a good year fill several tags. Thats plenty of extra meat. Feeding your neighbor is a good policy. On a good year when my fiance and I fill our deer tags and i get an elk, that is more than we need. I make my rounds to family members who cant hunt anymore and help fill their freezer. Does this make it wrong for me to hunt and fill my tags?? Just throwing the idea out there?

Hmmm sounds like I need to put in for a tag around here then

While selling game animals is illegal, if you transfer it to someone and they donate to your 'car fund' that shouldnt be a problem

Also what diff does it make if you harvest knowing you are going to give it to someone. The wildlife bio's have figured x amount needs to be harvested, regardless if its going to feed jimbob, leroy, or stan

[ehunter]

I think it is good that some of us think of ethics on this board from time to time.

Originally Posted by Fish_N_Russ

Hmmm sounds like I need to put in for a tag around here then

While selling game animals is illegal, if you transfer it to someone and they donate to your 'car fund' that shouldnt be a problem

Also what diff does it make if you harvest knowing you are going to give it to someone. The wildlife bio's have figured x amount needs to be harvested, regardless if its going to feed jimbob, leroy, or stan

[Yeti]

Originally Posted by ehunter

I think it is good that some of us think of ethics on this board from time to time.

Yours, mine or his? Applying your ethical standards to some else involved in a legal activity if flat out wrong. If you don't like the system, change it.

Selling the meat is illegal. Transfer of the meat to someone else, who pays for cut and wrap, is not.

[Salmon Chaser]

Originally Posted by clacksteel

Killing more than you can eat...or donate...is wrong. I would never kill something just for the sake of killing it and never kill anything that I couldn't comsume myself or give to people that I know could use it.

So donating to a food bank or a mission is not acceptable? Uncle Ted would like a word with you.

[Big Billy]

call a game warden

[otterduck1]

There sure a bunch of ah shall we say ahhhhh people in this thread. Umm let's sell the bags that just happen to have meat in them. Ummmm, selling I hope none of you are running my local governments or doing work for me. Where did my tools go- oh he doesn't use them that much.

And the argument that they have to be killed for management- that's fine but let someone else trying to get a controlled tag that doesn't have meat get it.

[otterduck1]

Oh yeah,
If some of you are doing what you are insuiating- the day the cops catch you at something else then they can use your postings as evidence.

[Beginners luck]

Originally Posted by otterduck1

There sure a bunch of ah shall we say ahhhhh people in this thread. Umm let's sell the bags that just happen to have meat in them. . Ummmm, . I hope none of you are running my local governments or doing work for me. Where did my tools go- oh he doesn't use them that much.

And the argument that they have to be killed for management- that's fine but let someone else trying to get a controlled tag that doesn't have meat get it.

Yikes!.....I guess I didnt see TACT as a rule for posting.....:lurk:

[Arrow Flinger]

If he does not need the meat, then why kill another elk?????

[riverswild]

not legal, he can transfer it to others by filling out a transfer form. but to sell it in any form is illegal.

[Gun Rod Bow]

Originally Posted by Arrow Flinger

If he does not need the meat, then why kill another elk?????

Especially a freakin cow.

[Sled Dog]

ditto

[Ken Drifter]

Sounds illegal to me. But hey, as you pointed out its not you its your buddy. So why tell thousands of people about it ? just wondering. Actually its pretty funny that this is even a topic. Why not raffle it of to the highest bidder Should of left it alone if it wasn't needed for the meat. Yes he had the right to do it but sounds like a poor choice to me.

[clacksteel]

I guess I should have been more clear in my post. I wouldn't harvest any GAME animal that I would not eat or be able to give away. Predators and pests are a completely different story and according to the ODFW don't fall under the wasted game category.

[drifting]

After a visit, my kids love to take home a few little somethings from the freezer, but I'd never charge 'em for it.

[KeHols]

Originally Posted by Ken Drifter

Sounds illegal to me. But hey, as you pointed out its not you its your buddy. So why tell thousands of people about it ? just wondering. Actually its pretty funny that this is even a topic. Why not raffle it of to the highest bidder Should of left it alone if it wasn't needed for the meat. Yes he had the right to do it but sounds like a poor choice to me.

Ya i know it sounds illegal. But the question was. "Is this selling meat"? Not what dose it sound like? And i thought by asking, not telling thousands of people, i could get a straight anwser. And i think it is a very good topic.

[KeHols]

Lets say that a hunting party of four only gets one elk. The plan is to split all the meat equally among the party members. The hunter that shot the elk takes it to the butcher to have it cut and wraped. It cost him $100. I would hope he could get $25 from the other three hunters to cover there share of the butchering cost. Or do we need to call the game warden?

The only difference is they had a plan to split the meat. Why couldent you do the same thing only a few month after season?

If there are any fish & game troopers out there please send me a PM and let me know if there is a crime here.

[BrotherWolf]

Originally Posted by otterduck1

Oh yeah,
the cops catch you at something else then they can use your postings as evidence. Secret my butt.
Really smart!

I was Just told that the other day buy one of Oregons finest

[whtelk]

yes it is illegal to sell the meat. Is it illegal to give him the meat with a transfer slip and later he gives you a birthday card with some $$$$$.

[Ghost hunter]

Originally Posted by KeHols

Lets say that a hunting party of four only gets one elk. The plan is to split all the meat equally among the party members. The hunter that shot the elk takes it to the butcher to have it cut and wraped. It cost him $100. I would hope he could get $25 from the other three hunters to cover there share of the butchering cost. Or do we need to call the game warden?

The only difference is they had a plan to split the meat. Why couldent you do the same thing only a few month after season?

If there are any fish & game troopers out there please send me a PM and let me know if there is a crime here.

It looks like your trying to rationalize it now!

[ehunter]

Look its a simple to me in the state of Oreogn it is illegal to sell the meat that was the question asked. As to the question do I think you need to shoot another animal if your freezer is full well that is up to you. If you think I am wrong for questioning that I am ok with that. I am hunter but I am not glutton. If I don't need the meat I won't pull the trigger just because I have a tag. If you ask me have I had the chance yes many times. If my partner shoots a elk. I have then passed a lot of elk because we did not need the meat. He does the same. Yeti we have talked many times and I am suprised that you got so worked up. The question was put out and I gave my .

[MattPark]

Originally Posted by ehunter

Look its a simple to me in the state of Oreogn it is illegal to sell the meat that was the question asked.

Actually, it's not. He asked if it was legal to sell packages for the cost of the packaging. I don't think selling packaging is illegal, but I've been wrong before.

[ehunter]

Matt you maybe right I only know what the reg say. He would be best asking the state troopers and not us probably I think it all comes down to intent do you profiet from the sell of the meat but again I may be wrong?

Originally Posted by MattPark

Actually, it's not. He asked if it was legal to sell packages for the cost of the packaging. I don't think selling packaging is illegal, but I've been wrong before.

[Ken Drifter]

Off topic, but why pay a butcher ?

[jokester]

Originally Posted by MattPark

Actually, it's not. He asked if it was legal to sell packages for the cost of the packaging. I don't think selling packaging is illegal, but I've been wrong before.

I like the drugs analogy...Try pulling that one off.

"Oh no, Mr. Officer...i'm not selilng the dope inside, i'm selling the cute little plastic bag it comes in!"

-jokester

[ShutUpandFish]

Even selling it for the cost of the packaging is illegal. He can feel free to give it away though.

[MattPark]

Originally Posted by jokester

I like the drugs analogy...Try pulling that one off.

"Oh no, Mr. Officer...i'm not selilng the dope inside, i'm selling the cute little plastic bag it comes in!"

-jokester

It's not an analogy, it's the question he asked. What's in the bags really doesn't matter, because that's not what he's technically selling.

[KeHols]

Originally Posted by Ghost hunter

It looks like your trying to rationalize it now!

No NO NO I am not trying to rationalize anything. I just know that when it comes to the law, there are a lot of gray areas.

The law is not always black and white. It is often subject to interpretation. And as i see by all the different replies to my orignal question. Most people have there owne interpretion of both the situation and the questions that i presente.

The question of ethical and legal vs legal but unethical. That is something that could be discused for a very long time. And i think we would end up right where we started.

I think there is nothing wrong with a good debate. But not a fight. Lets keep it professional.

Thanks for all the replies.

[FeatherDuster]

The final say would be from a judge. The argument could be made that money only changed hands for packaging (not processing which is labor not merchandise). However a prosecutor could ask why someone would purchase unusable, cut and folded, bloody butcher paper. It is unlikely someone would buy such a product unless there was consumable meat inside. It would be a stronger argument if the receiver paid for part or all of the processing directly to the butcher and the took the meat for free.

[Yeti]

Originally Posted by ehunter

Yeti we have talked many times and I am suprised that you got so worked up. The question was put out and I gave my .

Not worked up. Perhaps strongly pointing out that I feel criticizing a person engaged in a legal activity is a slippery slope. I may have missinterpreted your post, if so my bad.

[lentz]

Wait untill monday and give the authorities a call. Sounds simple to me. It's a judge that will give a finale decission, not the members here on ifish.

[otterduck1]

Originally Posted by lentz

Wait untill monday and give the authorities a call. Sounds simple to me. It's a judge that will give a finale decission, not the members here on ifish.

Good call- somebody's rational here.

A good thing to remember instead of trying to find the Joe Bloe answer from all of us. That idea should always be the first step- too much misinformation out there from the anecdotal pursuit (E.G. I still meet people that think that Hunters Choice for W. OR Deer Season is still around the last two weeks of season). I may seem to be ranting- just trying to keep a few people out of trouble.

Last notes: no matter what it is, think about how it looks and make sure to call a game officer- not ODFW or a normal OSP (heard about one OSP that was telling people that they didn't need a shellfish lic. for crab "they're not shellfish").

[Pond]

Interesting thread. It's unlawful for a person to: Sell, trade, barter, exchange, OR OFFER for sale, trade, barter, or exchange, and game mammal or parts thereof. (there are some exceptions, they don't apply to here).

"He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging."

The letter of the law would say that it is illegal to offer for sale elk meat.

Pond (F&W Trooper)

ps: On a personal note. If paying for the packaging is an issue, probably shouldn't shoot an elk and then attempt to recover those costs.

[Rank Amateur]

Originally Posted by Pond

Interesting thread. It's unlawful for a person to: Sell, trade, barter, exchange, OR OFFER for sale, trade, barter, or exchange, and game mammal or parts thereof. (there are some exceptions, they don't apply to here).

"He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging."

The letter of the law would say that it is illegal to offer for sale elk meat.

Pond (F&W Trooper)

ps: On a personal note. If paying for the packaging is an issue, probably shouldn't shoot an elk and then attempt to recover those costs.

Nice to have one of you guys on here. Well straight from the man's mouth, I guess the only other option would be to see if a judge would see it differently. I doubt it would be worth the trouble though.

I go with the camp of why shoot a cow if you don't need it. But that's just me.

[Yeti]

Originally Posted by Pond

Interesting thread. It's unlawful for a person to: Sell, trade, barter, exchange, OR OFFER for sale, trade, barter, or exchange, and game mammal or parts thereof. (there are some exceptions, they don't apply to here).

"He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging."

The letter of the law would say that it is illegal to offer for sale elk meat.

Pond (F&W Trooper)

ps: On a personal note. If paying for the packaging is an issue, probably shouldn't shoot an elk and then attempt to recover those costs.

Thanks for the reply. The next logical question is can he transfer the elk and the transferee pay for cut and wrap. No exchange of funds. By my read that should be legal.

[Ken Drifter]

Originally Posted by Pond

Interesting thread. It's unlawful for a person to: Sell, trade, barter, exchange, OR OFFER for sale, trade, barter, or exchange, and game mammal or parts thereof. (there are some exceptions, they don't apply to here).

"He said he is going to sell each package of meat for just enough to cover the cost of packaging."

The letter of the law would say that it is illegal to offer for sale elk meat.

Pond (F&W Trooper)

ps: On a personal note. If paying for the packaging is an issue, probably shouldn't shoot an elk and then attempt to recover those costs.

[Pond]

Originally Posted by Yeti

Thanks for the reply. The next logical question is can he transfer the elk and the transferee pay for cut and wrap. No exchange of funds. By my read that should be legal.

He would be required to give a written record of transfer, which can be obtained in the hunting regulations giving the meat away. The guy who has been given the meat can go pay a cut and wrap fee or have it proceessed further into jerky, sausage, hamburger, or whatever.

That's the short answer. The other stuff about selling and offering stuff still applies.

Pond

[smalldog]

After doing some research I came up with this.
Yes, it is illegal to ask for one red cent.
If you gave the meat to someone and they processed it themselves,fine.
But it is already packaged. So it would not make a difference what goes on in your mind. It is selling a package of Game meat.
If you want to do that. You have them pay for part of the processing BEFORE you pick it up.
If you paid for it and took it home. It's too late to ask for money.
The timeline is what you have to look at.
If I take an elk and I want to split that elk with a friend. He pays half of the processing fee and we are fine.
But to have it packaged and give it away to many people and ask for $ from all of them is selling meat.

I dont know how anyone came up with selling drugs for a comparison. LOL Not even close.
Whats in the bag? Drugs. Go to jail.
Whats in the bag? Elk. How was your hunt?

[Chug]

sounds like pure Greed. not hunting anymore. If selling the kill.

If my Freezer is full of Meat. I am done, shopping/hunting.

Or buy bigger feezer, do not hunt the following year.

Speak with ODFW, for proper Paper work of Transfer of meat. Get that Paper trail, its the right thing to do.

just my Taxed 4 cents. worth.

[Rank Amateur]

Originally Posted by Chug

sounds like pure Greed. not hunting anymore. If selling the kill.

If my Freezer is full of Meat. I am done, shopping/hunting.

Or buy bigger feezer, do not hunt the following year.

Speak with ODFW, for proper Paper work of Transfer of meat. Get that Paper trail, its the right thing to do.

just my Taxed 4 cents. worth.

It may not be greed, this could be a landowner that is having a damage problem and has the tags and simply wants to ensure that the meat is used properly.

[ehunter]

If that were the case he could sell rights to his property and not have to worry about the extra meat:tongue: Ok I am kidding.

Pond thanks for the straight info, and I am also glad your on board.

Originally Posted by Rank Amateur

It may not be greed, this could be a landowner that is having a damage problem and has the tags and simply wants to ensure that the meat is used properly.