???Sheds Blacktail or Whitetail???

[BlacktailBowhunter]

What do you think? Are these BT or WT?

[lovdasnow]

WT

[okie man]

eye guards look a little small for it to be pure white tail , might be a cross. i've seen a few white tail mulie crosses in western kansas , white tail bucks like booty of either species.

[Applegate]

Blackie, but where did you find em?

[BornToFish360]

looking at the shed i would say wt

[scottishsetter]

WT

[kingfisher74]

Originally Posted by scottishsetter

WT

[Wheels]

I'm going to say B.T. but with obvious W.T. characteristics. If you told me you found them around the Roseburg area I might think differently but if you found them up north near Oregon City then I am sticking with my original answer. Cool Sheds........................Wheels.

[BrushApe]

They have the classic WT frame, are more "slick" and bone collored like WT. Only issue is those little eye guards. Roseburg WT always have long eye guards. Location would be good.

BA

[stlhdr1]

Black tail, I seen a buck Tuesday that I almost got muzzle loader hunting that looked a lot like that guy...

Keith

[Nw dukn]

I would have to say whitetail..

[nobrownline]

thats easy its a white tail. All the points come off a main beam. A bt would fork off the back tines like a mulie.

[Small Fry]

I'll go with WT

[bigamefisher2]

WT as well. However, our engineering mgr at my work lives out in Silverton and got pics of a BT last year in his yard that had all the characteristics of a WT. Looked like one on full velvet, but it was a blackie.

[Wheels]

Originally Posted by nobrownline

thats easy its a white tail. All the points come off a main beam. A bt would fork off the back tines like a mulie.

you would think so but it's not always that easy. Many 3 point B.T. have all their points coming off the main beam..................and I have seen a few recent kills, including a couple posted on I-fish, that looked very much like W.T..................You never know.

[Tacklebuster]

WT. Hunted them all my childhood life in Alabama and Georgia. No doubt about it.

[levi_deerhunter]

Looks like a whitetall to me.

[Accumark Man]

Blacktail. My hunting partner killed a blacktail several years ago on the willammette that had those same characteristics. It was a very large 3x3 with eyeguards. All the points came off the main beam.

[HntnFsh]

bt

[Lured In]

I have seen lots of 3 point BT's (not including eyeguards) that have a WT type frame, but I don't recall ever seeing a 4 point (not including eyeguards) on that type of frame.

If I had to guess I would say it is a WT. Who knows, maybe it is a half-breed.

Where did you find it?

[otterduck1]

Location, Location, Location!
Besides a pic from a full sideways would also be helpful. Telling the differnce between a main beam and a main fork is not that easy.

[osulogger]

looks a lot like a whitetail, but I'm going with blacktail. I have a bunch of sheds with the same look to them, and they are blacktails. Neat looking sheds though! I think if they were whitetails, you'd see big eyeguards.

Thanks for sharing!

From the land of Big Sticks,

Osulogger

[Limbhanger]

I will go with Blacktail. I have seen several that have that look to them.

[Beamerfish]

I think this must be a trick question. They look like whitetail with the points off the main beam but I'd guess blacktail. Seems like many of the heavy whitetail racks I've seem have alot bigger eyeguards but I'm sure that can vary on the genetics in the area.

[Leb009]

I am going to have to go with WT.

[Big Unit]

Blacktail. Brow point is a gimme.

BUT, the G-3 is off the main beam = whitetail. Hmmmm.

WHERE found? Is the question!

BU

[jokester]

I'd say whitetail just by looking at them, but would also like to know the location. That might sway my decision :grin:

-jokester

[sliverpicker]

Here's a link about the sheds in question for the curious and inquiring minds...

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...98#post1778498

[CamoHunter]

I am going to go BT also.

CH

[RoscoeP]

Originally Posted by Accumark Man

Blacktail. My hunting partner killed a blacktail several years ago on the willammette that had those same characteristics. It was a very large 3x3 with eyeguards. All the points came off the main beam.

It looks like a WT, but I would go with a BT. I have found several sheds along the Willamette in the Beuna Vista area that I would swear were WT, but all the deer I have seen are BT. All the 3 pt. sheds looked exactly like a WT with all points coming off the main beam.

[wheelerite]

Originally Posted by jokester

I'd say whitetail just by looking at them, but would also like to know the location. That might sway my decision :grin:

-jokester

I picked them up above mollala in the horse creek area. I my self Think it is a white tail but a few of you think it is blacktail. I saw one other buck up there that I am sure was related to this one but had a much larger rack. But I guess it has to be a blacktail sice there are no whitetails anywhere near this area.
wheelerite
ps the brow tine for wt is just like blacktails, some are very large and some are small and some dont hve any at all. Both the eye guards on these sheds are broken or chewed so they would have been larger.

[BlacktailBowhunter]

Thanks for answering the ??? here. Personally, I think they are BT sheds. I read a description of BT antlers at some point and it gave a reference to BTD having racks that take resemblence to WT. They definately have similar characteristics to WT, but I can't get past the bases, eye guards, main beam curve, and location. WT main beams come up and bend forward, whereas BT main beams curve forward in a barrel type upward curve, which for me is a dead give away.

In addition, these were found back in 1982. I can't say for sure, but I can say for certain that I don't believe their are any documented WT in that area or within several miles.

It looks like we are about 50/50 on opinions here. It looks like there are a few undecided. I want to thank Wheelerite for bringing the sheds over the other night. I did a rough score on them and with a 17 inch spread they scored around 105 gross.

Here is another BT that has 3 points coming off of the main beam and has the WT characteristic.

Score Sheet WT: http://www.pope-young.org/ScoreSheets/T-WTC.pdf

Score Sheet BT: http://www.pope-young.org/ScoreSheets/T-MDBT.pdf

[BrianMaguire]

I once found a shed deep in the Mt Hood, up the Clack, that you could swear were whitetail, just an odd blacktail I guess.

[ICHTHYDEMON]

Originally Posted by nobrownline

thats easy its a white tail. All the points come off a main beam. A bt would fork off the back tines like a mulie.

So how about this buck? All the points are off the main beam.

[otterduck1]

Yes, some blacktail do develop WT looking antlers but,the sheds are blacktail or at least these days.

Summary of because:

This area is completely outside of current WT. The most northern of the southern Oregon group was shot just south of Eugene (this year- the idiot shot a radio collared deer and brought the collar back to ODFW only to find out he was getting a ticket- ooops!- so much for honesty, besides I wouldn't shoot a deer w// a bright orange radio collar- duh!), and there is no way WT's woul have made it from the Lower Columbia River.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if there are recessive WT genes that are expressed once and awhile- they do occaisonally hybridize.

[otterduck1]

That's not one main beam!!!!!! Its a fork!

Everybody, think of the classic WT with its forward sweeping main beam w/ a bunch of points sticking off of it!

Originally Posted by ICHTHYDEMON

So how about this buck? All the points are off the main beam.

[Ni!]

Most 3 pt blacktails have that "whitetail" look. It's much more common than the forked G-2 3pt configuration. I'd have to say these are blacktail antlers, but I could be wrong. To know for sure we'd have to examine the deer himself. Definitely some interesting antlers though.

[Chesapeake]

I've seen lots of 3 point blacktails that had the whitetail look, but I've never seen a 4 point that looked like a whitetail, and on both sides?


If I had to guess I would say whitetail myself, just because it has 3 points coming up off the main beam on each side.

[BlacktailBowhunter]

Originally Posted by Chesapeake

I've seen lots of 3 point blacktails that had the whitetail look, but I've never seen a 4 point that looked like a whitetail, and on both sides?


If I had to guess I would say whitetail myself, just because it has 3 points coming up off the main beam on each side.

How about this one? It came from California.

[Lured In]

Originally Posted by BlacktailBowhunter

How about this one? It came from California.

Ah...finally, someone with a pic of a 4pt BT rack on a WT frame. Thank you! Looks like the spitting image of the rack above.

Pretty cool looking.

[Idahoan]

I don't hard to say. In Idaho, my brother shot a mule deer where was no whitetail, out in the high desert near Bellevue ant it's rack looked exactly like a whitetail. It was a 3X3 with little one eyeguards. I guess ears and tails are the only for sure way to distinguish between the three species.

[Ni!]

Originally Posted by Idahoan

I guess ears and tails are the only for sure way to distinguish between the three species.

Metatarsal glands are different as well. That's probably the most positive identifier there is. Page 54 of the 2008 Oregon Big Game regs has the details on the difference.

[Grayghost]

Looks like a white tail.

[Blacktailnut]

I would guess WT but color, browtine length and # of points on mainbeam does not rule out one or the other. I would stick with the location found more than anything. Nice set!

[Chesapeake]

Originally Posted by BlacktailBowhunter

How about this one? It came from California.

Never seen any blacktails like this. Guess anything is possible. Seems uncommon, but not unheard of. Certainly wouldnt stop me from pulling the trigger!!!!

Thats an awsome set of sheds! Would like to see his antler configuration the next year. Where would they progress to?

[Rauly]

[otterduck1]

Notice the symmetry of these Whitetail. Really pay attention how the main beam flows forward smoothly. Use a pencil if you have to.

[otterduck1]

BT! That first tine marks a fork. This is a 3 pt with one 1pt fork and another fork with 2pts.



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