Man Protects his dog

[Got One!]

So I'm watching the news last night (Fox 12) and they were throwing this guy under the bus for hacking up and killing a pit bull with a machete that was attacking his old dog. They were saying the DA was deciding on whether to prosecute him for animal cruelty, and going on and on what a horrific thing this was.

Now, if my dog was in my yard and a pitbull attacked it, I'm sorry but I'm going to do anything I can to stop that too. If a machete was the 1st thing I saw, a machete is what I'm using, same for a shovel, pitch fork, whatever. Granted if my dog was attacking someone else's, I wouldn't want it killed, but then its a Golden Retriever, not a Pitbull . Still the same if it were a child, GR or not do what you have to right away.

Many people consider their dogs as a family member, Pitbulls included, but then most dogs were not bred to kill. If my son was Charles Manson and he was attacking someone, I would expect them to stop him any way possible also. I can tell you from experience, Pitbulls can be as friendly a dog as you ever saw, but that same friendly dog can just go off, especially on another dog and kill it for no apparent reason, as witnessed 1st hand, to my horror, by my sisters Pitbull, one of the nicest dogs I've ever seen. He is no longer with us due to what he did, same thing, right through the front metal screen door because he saw a male german shepard across the street, snapped its neck with one bite like a twig, and drug it back home, all in about 2 mins tops, from when he saw it through the front window. Even though the dog was killed instantly it took 5 minutes to get him to release, as he was wagging his tail all along.

[huntercgr]

I agree if my dog was in my yard, or under control (leashed) while walking and gets attacked by an out of control dog. I find it hard to believe there will be charges if this was the case.

I would like to see the whole story.

[huntercgr]

Here's one article:

http://www.kptv.com/news/14841747/detail.html

The Washington County Sheriff’s Department and the district attorney’s office is investigating the incident.

Standard response.

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by huntercgr

Here's one article:

http://www.kptv.com/news/14841747/detail.html




Standard response.

That was bland compared to the live news cast last night. They were interviewing the Vet who was saying this was the worst wounds he has ever witnessed to a dog, the owner of the Pit who couldnt understand why he did this to his dog, the father of the guy that protected the dog of whom apparently didnt have anything to say (i'm sure he did but it wasnt aired), but they showed the wounds to the dog that was attacked, going on and on how terrible it was that the man was for cutting the pit so many times. Describing the wounds of the poor dog. I'm sure he hacked on it until it let go. And of course not once did they mention this was a pitbull that attacked, they showed a picture of him.

[Trick]

I'm going to hold judgement until I hear more details.

[roadsend]

Originally Posted by Got One!

.... going on and on how terrible it was that the "hispanic" man was for cutting the pit so many times. (I could be mistaken but I could have swore they mentioned his nationality a couple times which to me was disturbing, and no I'm not hispanic) ....

The whole incident is tragic.
If I understand you correctly, it was the media who kept calling attention to the ethnicity of the hacker.
If so, it IMO was grossly inappropriate reporting.
I can't imagine a reporter talking about an Irishman, a Finn or a Jewish guy with a machette.

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by roadsend

The whole incident is tragic.
If I understand you correctly, it was the media who kept calling attention to the ethnicity of the hacker.
If so, it IMO was grossly inappropriate reporting.
I can't imagine a reporter talking about an Irishman, a Finn or a Jewish guy with a machette.

Yeah I should once again point out, I'm not sure they did point that out, but I think they did, consider that retracted....I'd sure like a transscript of that. I wish someone else here saw that on the 10pm news on fox 12 last night.

[Pink Salmon]

[quote=Got One!;1780623]Now, if my dog was in my yard and a pitbull attacked it, I'm sorry but I'm going to do anything I can to stop that too. If a machete was the 1st thing I saw, a machete is what I'm using, same for a shovel, pitch fork, whatever.





i have owned alot of pitbulls and it defintly depends on the blood line they are from. BBBUUUTTT they are still pitbulls and you have to be careful with them. im sure everybody already knows pitbulls have lockjaw, and everytime that guy hit him with that machete it only got tighter. animal cruelty is one thing but protecting your family members is another even if its an another animal, once that dog tasted blood he needs to be put down now cause it will only happen again, then how many times will it take before they say its that dog?


my worth

Jeremy

[Waterfish]

I could never understand why anyone would want to own a pitbull Yea, I've heard all about how they can be the nicest dogs in the world --- how it's the owner's fault, etc. But the bottom line is that they can't be trusted with other dogs, kids, and sometimes even their owners. It would be a good thing if pit bulls were eliminated from the face of the earth.

[STGRule]

I saw the report. You are right. They made a big deal out of the manner and ethnicity of the guy protecting his poor dog. It really was an upside down story. I was particularly impressed with the pits owner stating "He only got out for a a few minutes".

[Pink Salmon]

Originally Posted by Waterfish

It would be a good thing if pit bulls were eliminated from the face of the earth.

well lets see how about rotties and doberman pinchers they are just as dangerous and i know this from experiance. i have owned dozens of pitbulls and not one of them ever turned on me , my sibling or anyone else that came around my dogs.it does have to do with owner and the blood line. i grew up around rotties and dobermans and have had very bad experiances with them, i have scares t prove it. and i was around those dogs for 10+ years. people judge pitbulls from what they hear not from what they know.

Jeremy

[PapaHog]

I judge pitbulls by what I hear because that is all I know. Now if one was to attack my little dog I would defend Willie with my life. He is that important to me. He is the only family I have that lives with me or maybe I should say lets me live with him.

[StickFish]

This is BS. Guys dog gets attacked and he defends his dog and is getting persecuted - man someone must need a hug or something.

If that dog had attacked my dog, I would have resorted to whatever means necessary to defend my family member.

[Pink Salmon]

Originally Posted by PapaHog

I judge pitbulls by what I hear because that is all I know. Now if one was to attack my little dog I would defend Willie with my life. He is that important to me. He is the only family I have that lives with me or maybe I should say lets me live with him.

i agree 10000%
i hope people would protect there animals i know i would.
its just sad people have to do what they do to pitbulls to give them a bad name.
Jeremy

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by STGRule

I saw the report. You are right. They made a big deal out of the manner and ethnicity of the guy protecting his poor dog. It really was an upside down story. I was particularly impressed with the pits owner stating "He only got out for a a few minutes".

Glad it wasn't just me that saw/heard it that way, I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise. I was fairly offended from the beginning of the story with what I percieved as racial undertones, and it only increased after the picture of the offending dog, along with the news person's lack of identification of the breed.

It's somewhat hard to say this is an ok breed and this is not...Probably anything bred strictly to kill should require special containment facilities, much like if you wanted to house a lion or hyena on your property.

Gotta disagree on the Dobie in the same class as a Pit, thus the name pincher, meaning they bite and let go. Thats why you rarely see a police dog as a Dobie because they won't hold on. Its really neither here nor there though.

[Rainman]

Pit Bulls, what a big can of worms to open up.

"The infamous locking jaw is a myth. The American Pit Bull Terrier and related breeds are physiologically no different from any other breed of dog. All dogs are from the same species and none have locking jaws. Dr. I Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of 'pounds per square inch' can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Furthermore, Dr. Brisbin states, "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

I wonder why there are no pit bull police dogs ??

[CombinationLicense]

I personally could care less what type of dogs were involved or what race the owners were. Those facts are completely irrelevant to the case and breed specific generalizations don't work for me. The facts that matter are: 1) One dog was running at large and was in the act of killing another dog that was in its own yard. 2) The owner of the dog being attacked in its own yard used force to stop the attack of the dog running at large.

It's a no-brainer, the homeowner has the right to defend his property and dogs are property. The owner of the offending dog should have been cited and should be financially responsible for the actions of his dog.

Stories like this are great fodder for the ultra sensationalizing news media. If the offending dog kills the other dog then they interview the homeowner and vilify the pit bull and its negligent owner. In this case the story didn't go that way so they decide that the homeowner used unreasonable force to protect his property. Either way, they make somebody out to be the bad guy and make big headlines to sell their advertising. I wonder who called the news media in the first place?

"CL"

[Pescadote]

My neighbor has two pit bulls and I have a small dog and children that play in my back yard. I keep my machete just inside my garage door in case those animals ever threaten or attack my dog or kids.

I agree, it's a non-news story and a no-brainer. If the dog attacks my loved ones, he gets a big slicing machetozo a su cabeza.

[drhall99]

It's not that Pitbulls are more aggressive than other dogs, its the damage that they cause when they do attack that is the issue. Regardless, if a dog attacks my pets, in my yard, I am going to defend it. If it is a Min-Poodle, a well placed foot should remove the problem from my yard quickly and with some "Air Time" involved. But if a Pitbull (or other large dog) attacks, I might need some additional help. In my case it could be a baseball bat, shovel, pickaxe, etc. Regardless, in both cases (small and large dogs) when I am done, there will be little chance of the animal attacking again. If any dog owner has a problem with it then they need to keep their dog under control.

[Joe C]

I bet he chopped it in half and it was still attacking his dog. so he had to chop it up some more. Tough dogs.

My neighbor had a huge muscular pitbull guarding his house druing construction that was pretty friendly to me cause i threw it scraps over the fence. One day the laborers had it leashed to their tailgate during a lunchbreak. The guy drove about 4 blocks before a car cut him off telling him that he was dragging a dog.

they came back and the thing was a mess, blood everywhere, just scraped up and everywhere. Looked for sure like he was a goner. they threw a blanket over him and went back to work, they were just gonna let him die. I got really upset and rounded them up and found out where the nearest animal hospital was so that they could at least try and save it, I helped them load the dog in the truck, gave it some water to drink, and they took off.

I figured if they couldn't save him, at least the hospital could put him down easily.

Sure enough, a few weeks later, the dog was back on duty. Missing a little bit of his paws and with some pretty ugly scarring on his sides, but otherwise totally healed. He probably was a bit more intimidating guard dog too.

[chrome obsession]

Originally Posted by Waterfish

I could never understand why anyone would want to own a pitbull Yea, I've heard all about how they can be the nicest dogs in the world --- how it's the owner's fault, etc. But the bottom line is that they can't be trusted with other dogs, kids, and sometimes even their owners. It would be a good thing if pit bulls were eliminated from the face of the earth.

Its obvious you have never had one or been around one...Pits are great dogs....They for some reason have been pointed out more than any other breed....Its all about how they are raised, just like any other dog....I hear of dog bites and attacks all the time from other breeds, but you will not see that on the news....If raised correctly, (like any other dog) they are the most loving and loyal dog you will ever own...now if you raise them poorly, (just like any other dog) they will act poorly....Now to answer your question why would someone own one?? cause they are a smart, loving and loyal breed if raised with love.....Trust me, they are not the only breed out there attacking other dogs and people......you just don't hear about it....

[Pink Salmon]

Originally Posted by chrome obsession

Its obvious you have never had one or been around one...Pits are great dogs....They for some reason have been pointed out more than any other breed....Its all about how they are raised, just like any other dog....I hear of dog bites and attacks all the time from other breeds, but you will not see that on the news....If raised correctly, (like any other dog) they are the most loving and loyal dog you will ever own...now if you raise them poorly, (just like any other dog) they will act poorly....Now to answer your question why would someone own one?? cause they are a smart, loving and loyal breed if raised with love.....Trust me, they are not the only breed out there attacking other dogs and people......you just don't hear about it....

well said

[Trick]

Originally Posted by Rainman

I wonder why there are no pit bull police dogs ??

More likely to do with public perception then the breeds ability to perform.

With all the "police brutality" stories going around, could you imagine if the police were leading around pitbulls. Public opinion would never allow it. It would be a publicity nightmare.

But my guess is the pitbull terrier could function in that enviroment with proper training.

[Waterfish]

Originally Posted by chrome obsession

Its obvious you have never had one or been around one...Pits are great dogs....They for some reason have been pointed out more than any other breed....Its all about how they are raised, just like any other dog....I hear of dog bites and attacks all the time from other breeds, but you will not see that on the news....If raised correctly, (like any other dog) they are the most loving and loyal dog you will ever own...now if you raise them poorly, (just like any other dog) they will act poorly....Now to answer your question why would someone own one?? cause they are a smart, loving and loyal breed if raised with love.....Trust me, they are not the only breed out there attacking other dogs and people......you just don't hear about it....

I've never had a lion either, but I know what they are capable of. Yes, there are lots of other breeds that attack people and other animals. The difference is that pit bull attacks often result in death. I bet just in the last year I've read at least 3 or 4 news accounts of pit bulls that have killed people. Dalmations are a breed known for biting people. They don't make as much news as pit bulls because when they attack someone, it rarely, if ever means the person is killed. THAT is why pit bulls have earned their reputation.

Rainman; I agree with the article that you quoted that says there is no structural mechanism in a pit bull's jaws that makes them lock shut. But that's not the point. It's not a mechanical structure that makes a pit bull's jaws lock; it's the killing instinct of the pit bull that makes it not want to let go.

[MacFish]

While I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion of a bad breed, it seems to me that the majority of reports on dog attacks that I hear about involve Pit Bulls. There is also documentation from studies that would indicate this to be true. I belive Pitt Bulls have certain characteristics that are common to the breed and that, while qualified owners can minimize the threat they may pose, unqualified owners can put other people and pets at risk. Maybe there should be some criteria for ownership, maybe special training or licensing.

[chrome obsession]

Originally Posted by Waterfish

I've never had a lion either, but I know what they are capable of. Yes, there are lots of other breeds that attack people and other animals. The difference is that pit bull attacks often result in death. I bet just in the last year I've read at least 3 or 4 news accounts of pit bulls that have killed people. Dalmations are a breed known for biting people. They don't make as much news as pit bulls because when they attack someone, it rarely, if ever means the person is killed. THAT is why pit bulls have earned their reputation.

Rainman; I agree with the article that you quoted that says there is no structural mechanism in a pit bull's jaws that makes them lock shut. But that's not the point. It's not a mechanical structure that makes a pit bull's jaws lock; it's the killing instinct of the pit bull that makes it not want to let go.

Sounds like your basing your opinion off of what you hear!!!! and thats the point...the news and the word of mouth can convince any one or thing is bad....unless you know the facts of what a pitbull can be capable of on the positive side(meaning if raised properly) dont ask why would anyone would own one....I have had mine for seven years and he is the most human like dog you would have ever known...he is my fishing buddy...in that seven years i have never had one issue....with other dogs or people....He plays with my little sisters like he is a young child...I have multiple friends that have them cause of the postive reputation they have gained from the people that know facts, not from word of mouth or publicity.....You raise them right from puppyhood you will have a true best friend as time goes on....you raise them wrong then yes you will have issues, just like any other dog....

[MacFish]

The issues you can have from raising a Pit Bull wrong are not anything like the issues you have from raising a terrier (or almost any other breed) wrong.

[rimrock]

A no-brainer...defend away.

[chrome obsession]

All I am saying is if raised right you have yourself a smart loving best friend...now saying BRAINLESS comments like "no brainer" just means you are bias, but you are entitled to your opinion....its amazing how many people feed off of the press and negative word of mouth...sorry for you all...

nuff said

[Got One!]

From earlier:

I can tell you from experience, Pitbulls can be as friendly a dog as you ever saw, but that same friendly dog can just go off, especially on another dog and kill it for no apparent reason, as witnessed 1st hand, to my horror, by my sisters Pitbull, one of the nicest dogs I've ever seen. He is no longer with us due to what he did, same thing, right through the front metal screen door because he saw a male german shepard across the street, snapped its neck with one bite like a twig, and drug it back home, all in about 2 mins tops, from when he saw it through the front window. Even though the dog was killed instantly it took 5 minutes to get him to release, as he was wagging his tail all along.

He was 5-6 years old never did a thing to anyone or any other dog until that day. He was happy, I was with him all day, nothing seemed to set him off other than him seeing the other dog outside. When he went through the aluminium bottom part of the door is when (obviously) something was up. There wasn't anything that was going to stop him and after he snapped the GS's he was happy as a pig in mud, but didnt let go of his "prize" for another 5 minutes, despite putting a rake handle in and trying to pry his mouth open putting the hose on him, putting the hose in his mouth....etc

Point being IF they ever go after something, the something it went after will probably die. I'm not saying ban Pitbulls, i'm suggesting they be caged like other animals capable of killing with such ease.

The point of me bringing this up wasnt about the Pit so much as how Fox 12 covered it...as STGRULE put it, it was upside down. I think most Pit owners that know the breed well know without a doubt what they are capable of. I also think most breeders arent the problem. Go to any shelter and what are there most of in there. To many people get them because they are killers....just the people that shouldnt have them.

[Willis]

Not to hijack the thread but the above story about the dog getting drug behind the truck happened to a girlfriend of mine in High School, My gf mom got a call from school that my gf had been in a fight she ran out jumped in the truck and took off down the road....she drove several miles when someone got in front of her and forced her off the road but by then she was dragging nothing more than a bloody leash...to bad it was a nice dog. On topic I saw the reporter making the guy who hacked away into a monster....maybe they should do a story about how bad other dogs look when they come in mauled by a pit or possibly a small child...I say hack away hombre