Lab color...Does it make a difference?

lentz · 12-09-2007, 09:12 PM

I have been thinking about this lately after reading some other threads. Some people say that black is the way to go, while others say that you don't want chocolate. Some say yellow are the best manered, while others say that chocolate retreives better. I think that you get the picture. Is this just a personal preference thing or is there actual proof to which color is the best all around lab. Lets hear your oppinions!!!

TonTo · 12-09-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lentz

I have been thinking about this lately after reading some other threads. Some people say that black is the way to go, while others say that you don't want chocolate. Some say yellow are the best manered, while others say that chocolate retreives better. I think that you get the picture. Is this just a personal preference thing or is there actual proof to which color is the best all around lab. Lets hear your oppinions!!!

Yellow matches my carpet the best

.....do the blacks and chocolates shed as much as yellow?

twisterme · 12-09-2007, 09:30 PM

There is no factor in the color genes of a Lab that will alter their ability to be a great dog. It is the owner of the Lab that is the biggest factor in the developed ability of a dog that has all the other genetic tools to be the best dog you ever had.

nobrownline · 12-09-2007, 09:34 PM

Are black trucks better than red ones or whites? Same thing.

sparse gray hackle · 12-10-2007, 06:44 AM

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Are black trucks better than red ones or whites? Same thing.

I beg to differ with Twisterme, Breeding to get Brown labs requires regresive breeding. Brown is a regressive gene. It's my opinion that you find more brown labs with Heredity problems. Bad eye's , hips, teeth, hearing Etc.

98ramtough · 12-10-2007, 07:03 AM

This is the only way color makes a difference. If someone breeds for color, which a lot of times people do, than some chocolates will have more genetic problems. Breed for health, brains, and performance, not color. Pick the best litter with the smartest healthiest parents, than grab your pup. JMO.

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I beg to differ with Twisterme, Breeding to get Brown labs requires regresive breeding. Brown is a regressive gene. It's my opinion that you find more brown labs with Heredity problems. Bad eye's , hips, teeth, hearing Etc.

STGRule · 12-10-2007, 07:06 AM

Is that true with yellows too? Yellow is a recessive gene. It seems like way more yellows than blacks have problems with genetic diseases and cancer. Mine included. :frown:

98ramtough · 12-10-2007, 07:12 AM

I am no expert on labs. I honestly made a mistake of picking my dog by color. I was brand new to labs! I will from here out pick the dog by the best breeder for brains and health, not color! (I do own a hyper chocolate lab! perfectly healthy so far, but only 4 years old.)

baltz526 · 12-10-2007, 07:17 AM

after having a yellow put down from cancer at 5yrs of age, the vet told me they see a lot of cancer in yellows

STGRule · 12-10-2007, 07:22 AM

Had to have ours put down at 6 because of cancer.

Vandal · 12-10-2007, 07:22 AM

Go to a field trial or hunt test or duck pond and take a quick look at the most commonly occuring dog color and the question will answer itself.

Lured In · 12-10-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sparse gray hackle

I beg to differ with Twisterme, Breeding to get Brown labs requires regresive breeding. Brown is a regressive gene. It's my opinion that you find more brown labs with Heredity problems. Bad eye's , hips, teeth, hearing Etc.

Recessive genes, like those dictating coat color in labs, do not affect performance anymore than eye and hair color affect (or predict) intellegence in people. There is also no correlation between coat color and issues such as hip displaysia or eye issues. This would be akin to saying blonde people are more likely to have diabetes. And no special breeding effort is required to get chocolate or yellow labs. Humans did not 'create' these recessive genes anymore than green or blue eyes in people. They are present in their DNA and will express themselves when given the opportunity. You can breed two blacks with recessive genes for yellow or chocolate, depending on the match, you can get a tri-color litter. No special effort required.

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Originally Posted by 98ramtough

This is the only way color makes a difference. If someone breeds for color, which a lot of times people do, than some chocolates will have more genetic problems. Breed for health, brains, and performance, not color. Pick the best litter with the smartest healthiest parents, than grab your pup. JMO.

As I said above, genetic problems are just that and not a function of color. Two healthy chocoloates or yellows with no history of eye issues, hip displaysia or elbows isses will not suddently generate these at the gene level. Poor genetic selection at the parent level is the only thing that will up the rate with which these are expressed. Your point on breeding for health is absolutely true. Given two healthy parents of any color with clean genetic histories and the traits you desire is the best you can do.

All that said, if you look at the world's entire population, there are more smart people with brown hair and brown eyes. Simply because there are more of them.

Either way, a good breeder is well aware of these and will breed for the benefit of the dog and there future owner.

98ramtough · 12-10-2007, 07:24 AM

Lured in- I totally agree with your post. I think you are taking my post wrong. What I was trying to say, is when breeders breed strictly for color, you see more health problems.

98ramtough · 12-10-2007, 07:25 AM

I have three breeders I am looking at to get a dog from on the next pup. All three happen to be black labs..... Probably just a coincidence..

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Originally Posted by Vandal

Go to a field trial or hunt test or duck pond and take a quick look at the most commonly occuring dog color and the question will answer itself.

Lured In · 12-10-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 98ramtough

Lured in- I totally agree with your post. I think you are taking my post wrong. What I was trying to say, is when breeders breed strictly for color, you see more health problems.

Ramtough...we see health problems when breeders breed dogs with a history of health problems, not when they breed for color.

Two blacks with hip displaysia in their blood lines will express a higher rate of hip displaysia in their pups.

Unless a breeder is breeding parents who are very close geneologically, kinda like marrying your first cousin, a breeding cannot spontanesouly generate a genetic defect that is universal to the breed.

Good luck with your pup selection and be sure to ask if the breeder offers a guarantee on hips and eyes. While this will offer no consolation to you should you pup develop them, it can be a sign of high quality breeder.

Hookmiester · 12-10-2007, 07:33 AM

We talked to a lot of owners before we got ours from a breeder (who did not breed for color). Lots of owners told us that yellows seemed a little slower(dumb), and that choc were hard headed. This was not unique to our breeder but in general. However, we got black and took the runt of the litter. We got a deal on him since he was so small. Long story short, he has skin issues in which it gets irritated easily and when he breaks the skin from scratching he gets an infection which he is allergic to. Did I mention the runt is now 110 lbs? Not fat, just big. I think anytime when you get into pure breeds you have a higher potential for problems.

Jon

Threemuch · 12-10-2007, 08:06 AM

Black, yellow, brown, there are good and bad ones of every color. I think sometimes dogs with lesser genetics MIGHT be bred from inferior stock by irrisponsible breeders, but there are plenty of well bred yellows and chocolates availalbe. They will generally cost you a bit more than a black of comparable breeding.

I would be very cautious about a backyard breeding or puppy mill yellow or chocolate, because I see LOTS of yellows and chocolates that are "just pets." Way more than blacks.

It's much easier to breed great ability and temperament without preference to color. Subsequently, there are many, many more trial winners which are black than yellow or brown.

When I picked my dog, color was LAST on my list, and subsequently didn't factor into my decision. I wound up with a yellow dog, which was least preferred to me, and one that was really light to boot, darn near white. But she met every other criteria I wanted.

Since then the color has really grown on me. Their faces are much more expressive than black or chocolate.

I worried about her flaring birds, but she doesn't. I keep a vest on her, but I have yet to see her flare a bird.

Caution: They all shed, and yellow may match the initial color of your carpet. Pay this no heed, with a dog, your carpet won't stay that color long. And a yellow, while matching your carpet, will unlikely match your clothes, unless you like white clothes. Wool or fleece will suck up yellow hair like nobody's business.

rimrock · 12-10-2007, 08:17 AM

I think one old adage holds true when it comes to dogs:

�You pick the breeding; close your eyes and take a pup.�

Pay attention to the breeding which includes the cert, titles, conformation and the like for in particular three generations on both sides � five is even better, but the first three are much more important. Pick the breeding not the color.

Hawk · 12-10-2007, 08:20 AM

Where's HT and Tilla?

llama77 · 12-10-2007, 08:31 AM

As for color of dogs winning trials. Without documentation of the number dogs of each color being entered compared to their wins, there is no meaning in the fact that more Blacks are winning trials. My bet is that more of them are losing too!!

As too appearance as it relates to genetic issues. While I tend to agree that color would not have animpact on hips, how do we explain fair skinned humans being more suceptable to skin cancer?
Having hunted with a few friends and their chocs I have yet to see any difference in performance and the dogs abilities. However the seeing eye dog folks in San Francisco told me they would not use chocolates "they just didnt work out".

And just to set the record straight, the best color is Golden!!!

danger · 12-10-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by llama77

the seeing eye dog folks in San Francisco told me they would not use chocolates "they just didnt work out".

I've never seen a chocolate seeing eye dog!!! Asked an expert at the facility in Boring once on a tour. Very similar response to the above.

Just an observation...

jnicholson · 12-10-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vandal

Go to a field trial or hunt test or duck pond and take a quick look at the most commonly occuring dog color and the question will answer itself.

yes but that also unfortunately applies to the pound as well so I wouldn't bank on it.

Capin' Dan · 12-10-2007, 02:16 PM

Here it is guys
Blacks win more and are more popular because there are more of them. They are the deepest gene pool. Yellows are next and then chocolates are last. One isn't any better or worst than the others. Different colors don't relate to health issues, brains, trainability, Like many say do your home work. Check for the parents certs. Then go to the welping box close your eyes and reach in and pick your pup. You the owner will have the most effect on your dog about his birdyness training. Get him at 7 weeks or as close to that as possible leaving them in the litter longer is where traits start to be formed that may be undesirable. Get them on birds and work on there retrieving skills. Remember if your young pup brings out your dirty skivies during your daughters wedding party to congratulate him on a retrieve well done. There is a time to teach him what he can and can't retrieve but remember that very instinct is why you got him.

This is MY OBSERVATION ONLY I have never seen this in writing anywhere but I have observed it over the past 20 years. I have seen birds land on black dogs in the decoys actually it appears that they are actually attracted to the movement in the decoys. Yellow dogs seem to flare the birds when they are in the decoys. I have no experience with chocolates in the decoys until this year and haven't really seen enough to say one way of the other.

Lured In · 12-10-2007, 07:15 PM

That's an interesting point on the seeing eye dogs. As I was thinking of it, I seem to be able to recall more yellows than blacks. Of course that is a very small sample size and I have been accused of having a selective memory.

King Kong · 12-10-2007, 08:12 PM

Interesting..........the breeding facility and trainer that I have used for the past three years explained to me that black is the dominant gene and that you lose something, drive, temperment smarts etc, in the dog when they are yellow or chocolate due to the recessive gene.
Of course this facility only breeds Black Labs for the field.
I did see yellows and chocolates being trained along side my dog. Some good , some not so good.

They all make good companions and hunting dogs if you spend enough time with them and training them.

Bobberman · 12-10-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by llama77

As for color of dogs winning trials. Without documentation of the number dogs of each color being entered compared to their wins, there is no meaning in the fact that more Blacks are winning trials. My bet is that more of them are losing too

Black dogs win more. No documentation needed

I like brown

Tilla · 12-10-2007, 08:52 PM

Fact. Blacks win more, on the side of males.
The reason, just science and math.
Not worth explaining since it seems it's more of an emotional issue to most of you.

Pelagic Captain · 12-10-2007, 09:07 PM

30 years ago I had a black..great dog...currently my son has a yellow ( ugh) ..bad breeding which is the problem with labs today ..to many backyard breeders ...hard to find good breeders that develop the breed both for show and trial both aspects are important ...now people want jumpers for dock dogs..all well good and fine ...my last two retrievers are Chessies...I love em ..they hunt, they show , they are not sickly, and they gaurd your property

Hawaiian Time · 12-10-2007, 09:13 PM

Black is dominant, yellow is recessive, chocolate is even more recessive. When picking your pup, color should be your least most important criteria. Look at the genetics which the pup carries. I shouldn't have to say that you need to have the sire and dam with health clearances. Minimum should be OFA/hips and CERF/eyes. Do they come w/guarantee? A breeder that has a guarantee on their pups usually has taken some steps to produce the best/healthiest pup they can. Regarding genetics, there is a reason that black is call the dominant gene and the yellow/chocolates recessive.

I personally have 4 girls. 2 black, 1 yellow, and 1 chocolate. My yellow and chocolate girls carry a very strong black background. If I choose to breed my yellow girl and wanted to produce some yellows, I would choose a Black sire that is yellow factored or a yellow sire with a strong black background. I would not choose a yellow sire whose mom/dad were also yellow as this is not what I would consider a strong black background.

Same with my chocolate girl. When I choose to breed her, it would be with a black sire that is chocolate factored should I want to have some chocolate pups. I probably would not choose a chocolate sire even with a strong black background although it would probably be alright. The chocolate gene is the most recessive gene and I would need to be careful. I would never breed my chocolate girl to a yellow sire. Breeding recessive to recessive can produce some undesirable traits. One could produce puppies that are termed "dudley's". These are those yellow labs you see w/o any pigment. Their noses are red and they have a redish color around their eyes. They basically are lab version of albino.

So, there is more than just the color of the dog you need to consider when picking a pup. Look at what is under the color of the puppy. Sound genetics needs to be one of the top considerations. If the pup being yellow or chocolate is important to you, then choose them with a strong black background. Just some helpful advice. HT

twisterme · 12-10-2007, 10:14 PM

I' m hearing a lot about recessive genes.... can anybody explain what that is?

Hawaiian Time · 12-11-2007, 07:34 AM

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I' m hearing a lot about recessive genes.... can anybody explain what that is?

Without going into a lot of detail, I will simplify it as much as possible. A recessive gene is a gene that doesn't show itself unless it is cross with another dog that also carries the same recessive gene. Example, the yellow color gene is a recessive gene. Lets say you have a yellow male and you breed him with a blk dam lab. If the blk dam does not carry a yellow recessive gene, all the puppies will turn out black. Same with the chocolate color gene. If your chocolate is bred to a blk dog, you will have only blk puppies unless the blk dog carries the chocolate recessive gene. In other words, the recessive gene will not show itself unless it is combined with the other 1/2 of the gene pool that also carries that same recessive gene. If no recessive gene present, the dominant blk gene is exhibited.

Also, when you breed a yellow to another yellow, you will have all yellow pups because both carry the recessive yellow gene. Same with breeding a chocolate to another chocolate, you will get all chocolate. That is why I would not breed back to a recessive gene dog w/o a strong black gene background if my girl is a recessive yellow or chocolate.

This will occur with all recessive genes. In the last few years, doctors have isolated the recessive Centro Nuclear Myopathy gene that has shown up in field labs. There is now a DNA test that you can give to your dog to determine if it is a carrier of this awful gene. I gave all my girls this test and found one to be a carrier. Now understand that being a carrier of the recessive gene does not mean you are inflicted with the problem. She was normal and a finished gun dog. I could breed her to a non-carrier of this gene and no pups would be inflicted with the problem but 50 % would be carriers. I saw no upside to propagating a bad gene so she went to "slimpickens" here on Ifish and he had her spade as part of the agreement. I know it can get complicated but I think this is as simple an explanation as I can give. HT

jnicholson · 12-11-2007, 08:58 AM

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...now people want jumpers for dock dogs..all well good and fine ...

:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:: smile::smile::smile:

Snowman · 12-11-2007, 09:08 AM

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:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:: smile::smile::smile:

John is guilty as charged!

jnicholson · 12-11-2007, 10:14 AM

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John is guilty as charged!

Hmmmm .... and last I heard you were interested in one from Rikki's litter? You make a commitment yet? Are congratulations in order? Rikki and Chase are speedy little bitches, big jumpers and hunters too. Not a bad combo from where I'm sitting.

will you have the next pup to push Bucky farther down the Pro finals line up?

A few more big jumpers and we'll be down in the amateurs

Sounds like a growing niche, I'm thinking TV will probably push it along exponentially.

lentz · 12-11-2007, 04:29 PM

I have been pondering the new dog thing. We have a 6 year old beagle thats my wifes dog. I used to have a black lab and she was a great dog. I thought that this subject would be a good discussion with all the positive and negative opinions about each color. Kinda interesting to get other peoples responses. Thanks for all the input.

jnicholson · 12-11-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lentz

I have been pondering the new dog thing. We have a 6 year old beagle thats my wifes dog. I used to have a black lab and she was a great dog. I thought that this subject would be a good discussion with all the positive and negative opinions about each color. Kinda interesting to get other peoples responses. Thanks for all the input.

You know now that I think of it there is one major difference in the colors that we deal with at all the competitions and around the house.

Yellows photographs best
Chocolate 2nd best
and Blacks are really very challenging in almost all light situations.

Of course once again .... this has nothing to do with hunting ability.

John

gully_20 · 12-11-2007, 08:47 PM

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Caution: They all shed, and yellow may match the initial color of your carpet. Pay this no heed, with a dog, your carpet won't stay that color long. And a yellow, while matching your carpet, will unlikely match your clothes, unless you like white clothes. Wool or fleece will suck up yellow hair like nobody's business.

I loved this quote. I love getting ready for work in the mornings and having brown dog hair on me. My wife loves to vacuum and find it as well clogging up her vacuum. Good luck with your venture in finding your pup.

ogrejager · 12-12-2007, 07:48 AM

One thing nobody has mentioned (or at least I missed in my read of the thread, which has been known to happen) is, what about in the hide?

When you walk 200 yards away from a duck blind, what color is the most visible? The least? While people say, "dogs don't flare ducks," I wonder about that. My yellow is very dark--he sticks out less in dead grass than a black dog. Browns blend very well around timber.

Just another angle to add to the thinking....

uhmw · 12-12-2007, 08:06 AM

Blacks tend to be meaner -more bites
browns tend to be spazzy
yellows just plain look cooler and are blessed with brains, stamina and heart. My 10 year old has never had vet issues.

I think it really depends on which one you have as to your opinion cause they are simply the best dog pound for pound after their first two years of life that is.

Hawaiian Time · 12-12-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by uhmw

Blacks tend to be meaner -more bites
browns tend to be spazzy
yellows just plain look cooler and are blessed with brains, stamina and heart. My 10 year old has never had vet issues.

I think it really depends on which one you have as to your opinion cause they are simply the best dog pound for pound after their first two years of life that is.

uhmw...your generalizations on how a dogs particular color reflects on how they are and behave is based on what particular study? All the traits that you refer to come in all the color of labs. HT

uhmw · 12-12-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

uhmw...your generalizations on how a dogs particular color reflects on how they are and behave is based on what particular study? All the traits that you refer to come in all the color of labs. HT

It was my study- I been bit by a black one and my neighbors brown dog is a spazz-barks alot. Now my yellow is a angel except for his monthly escapes for 2-4 hrs hes been eluding the dog catcher for over 10 years

I could do without all the darn burrying of bones and his excavation projects and flipping the dinner bowl every night. As for skin color I think thats like generlizing about people and we all know that it really makes no differance. There are good one and bad ones - My point was Yellows just look cooler doin it.

Purpleavet · 12-12-2007, 12:26 PM

I can't believe Bait o Eggs hasn't jumped into this one!

croation2 · 12-12-2007, 12:57 PM

avet, I'm surprised you didn't jump into this one with one of your blonde brunette x-wife stories

whtelk · 12-12-2007, 04:26 PM

I own both black and yellow and have owned both before until the good Lord took them home. BOTH were excellent dogs. It is all how you train your dog. My yellow is far better than my friends black dog. Teach your dog steady and it wont matter what color you have.

Amahnee · 12-12-2007, 06:19 PM

I'm doing great with my two recessive gened, smart, healthy, centered brown dogs. I just got lucky I reckon?

snazl · 12-12-2007, 09:16 PM

THIS IS SOME GENETIC INFO FOR THE LABRADOR RETRIEVER.
Coat Colour Inheritance - Labrador Retrievers

Labrador Retrievers come in three colours, Black, Brown and Yellow. How does this happen? Why do Yellow Dogs mated to Yellow only ever produce Yellow puppies? Why do some Black dogs only have Black puppies, no matter what colour the other parent is?

The genetics of coat colour is quite straight forward when you have come to terms with some genetics terms and principles.
(If you know this, go straight to the Chocolate genetics page.)

DOMINANT & RECESSIVE are terms used to describe genes. In Labrador coat colour there are two sets of gene pairs, and the dominant and recessive interplay of these genes will determine the colour of the dogs coat.
Labrador Fact

There are really only two coat colours, Black and Brown. The Yellow dog is not the result of a colour gene, but rather the inability to Express a dark coat colour.
Three principles

Firstly - A Dominant gene will determine the colour of a dogs coat if it is present in the genetic make up, no matter what other gene is present. And so:
Secondly - A Recessive gene can only determine the colour of a dogs coat when no Dominant gene is present.
Third - Genes come in PAIRS, where one part of the gene is inherited from the mother and the other from the father.

Two Labrador Gene Pairs

One gene pair will determine dark coat colour (Black is dominant, Brown is recessive), and another pair are Expression genes: the abiliy to express a dark coat (Dominant) and the inability to express a dark coat (recessive).

All this information is better understood if we use a shorthand way to represent the two sets of gene pairs.

B - black coat colour b - brown coat colour

E - able to to express a dark coat e - unable to express a dark coat

By convention, the dominant gene is shown in upper case, the recessive in lower.

A coat colour gene looks like this: BB or Bb or bb

An expression gene looks like this: EE or Ee or ee

The interplay between the dominance issue and the two gene pairs will determine the colour of the dogs coat.

FOR MORE IN DEPTH INFO GO TO:
http://users.tpg.com.au/choclab/cci/genetics.htm

Tilla · 12-12-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Amahnee

I'm doing great with my two recessive gened, smart, healthy, centered brown dogs. I just got lucky I reckon?

Lucky? Probably, most dogs can find their dish anyway.

quackersnacker · 12-13-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by snazl

THIS IS SOME GENETIC INFO FOR THE LABRADOR RETRIEVER.
Coat Colour Inheritance - Labrador Retrievers

Labrador Retrievers come in three colours, Black, Brown and Yellow. How does this happen? Why do Yellow Dogs mated to Yellow only ever produce Yellow puppies? Why do some Black dogs only have Black puppies, no matter what colour the other parent is?

The genetics of coat colour is quite straight forward when you have come to terms with some genetics terms and principles.
(If you know this, go straight to the Chocolate genetics page.)

DOMINANT & RECESSIVE are terms used to describe genes. In Labrador coat colour there are two sets of gene pairs, and the dominant and recessive interplay of these genes will determine the colour of the dogs coat.
Labrador Fact

There are really only two coat colours, Black and Brown. The Yellow dog is not the result of a colour gene, but rather the inability to Express a dark coat colour.
Three principles

Firstly - A Dominant gene will determine the colour of a dogs coat if it is present in the genetic make up, no matter what other gene is present. And so:
Secondly - A Recessive gene can only determine the colour of a dogs coat when no Dominant gene is present.
Third - Genes come in PAIRS, where one part of the gene is inherited from the mother and the other from the father.

Two Labrador Gene Pairs

One gene pair will determine dark coat colour (Black is dominant, Brown is recessive), and another pair are Expression genes: the abiliy to express a dark coat (Dominant) and the inability to express a dark coat (recessive).

All this information is better understood if we use a shorthand way to represent the two sets of gene pairs.

B - black coat colour b - brown coat colour

E - able to to express a dark coat e - unable to express a dark coat

By convention, the dominant gene is shown in upper case, the recessive in lower.

A coat colour gene looks like this: BB or Bb or bb

An expression gene looks like this: EE or Ee or ee

The interplay between the dominance issue and the two gene pairs will determine the colour of the dogs coat.

FOR MORE IN DEPTH INFO GO TO:
http://users.tpg.com.au/choclab/cci/genetics.htm

I don't own a lab and probably never will, but this is a great thread that goes beyond color. I have many friends that do have labs and they tend to follow these rules and observations. I also know what type of owner/master my friends are and I can see more of that influence on their dogs than than what color they may be. Thanks Snazl, this last bit in particular, was quite interesting.

Tilla · 12-13-2007, 05:00 PM

There are man made dogs and god made dogs. You just gotta know when to take you finger out of your nose and step in. If you don't, either get help or don't complain.

Queeg · 12-13-2007, 05:04 PM

To simplify:

Yellow is the best
Chocolate is second best
Black is LAST

other than that, no it doesn't make a difference.

umpkin:

Pritchco · 12-13-2007, 06:31 PM

here is somthing to throw in to the mix red and salt n' peper coloration with in the lab breed. They are not reconized the the breed assosiation, but they are out there. A faimly in the union county area are big lab breeders and every once in a blue money they will throw yellows that have red tint to them and blacks that have some white in the hide.

Amahnee · 12-13-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tilla

Lucky? Probably, most dogs can find their dish anyway.

Smartass...

Northwest Pest · 12-13-2007, 10:56 PM

There is no difference in the dogs only in human opinion. I will say my yellow is 15 and still hunts to this day with no major health issues. The health of this dog is due largley in part to his eating basically only pizza for two years 1 and 2 years old. I worked at a pizza joint and that was all I could afford and he liked it. I have a black now who seems to be ok but lacks some of the abilities of my yellow. I will say that IMO from what I have seen that choclates seem to be a little off..... it could be spazziness, health issues or lack of the full cranium. I have hunted with quite a few choclates and have yet to seen a great one. If they are great in most areas than they have health issues and if they don't have health issues then they are spazzy and dimwitted. Just my opinion.

Northwest Pest · 12-13-2007, 10:59 PM

This being said I may get a choclate next go around to test my theory.

sorryhoney · 12-14-2007, 01:12 PM

Don't let this happen to you!! She's "teched in the head"!

But we love her!

Tilla · 12-14-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwest Pest

This being said I may get a choclate next go around to test my theory.

Bravo! Better you than me.:grin:

Lured In · 12-14-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwest Pest

I will say that IMO from what I have seen that choclates seem to be a little off..... it could be spazziness, health issues or lack of the full cranium. I have hunted with quite a few choclates and have yet to seen a great one. If they are great in most areas than they have health issues and if they don't have health issues then they are spazzy and dimwitted. Just my opinion.

What you talking 'bout Willis?

I ain't seen no health problems.:tongue:

jnicholson · 12-16-2007, 12:47 PM

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I will say that IMO from what I have seen that choclates seem to be a little off..... it could be spazziness, health issues or lack of the full cranium. I have hunted with quite a few choclates and have yet to seen a great one. If they are great in most areas than they have health issues and if they don't have health issues then they are spazzy and dimwitted. Just my opinion.

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