Scruffy the deer sighting tonight

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-02-2007, 08:10 PM

I guess scruffy the deer was hanging out on Pittsburgh rd off Scappose Vernonia Hwy a couple hours bofore dark tonight , from the shots i heard in that area sounded like the OSP were very busy with Him

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I didnt see him but heard it from someone who had an almost too close encounter with him

MD

toas243 · 11-02-2007, 08:42 PM

Sweet they should have a whole herd of them ,there are way to many poachers

Rank Amateur · 11-02-2007, 08:45 PM

Desperate people do desperate things!

I think I saw scruffy a few weeks back, turned his head back and forth, then I got to thinking about that big gravel storage area just across the road, what a perfect spot to hide.

I had no worries, no gun, just slowed down to make sure scruffy didn't jump out in front of me. Didn't swing the headlights to see the head, don't want to bother the boys in blue.

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-02-2007, 09:17 PM

Its been a while since I have been up that way, they down right cut the heck out of that area, looks like a very large tornado ran its course along that ridge, very messy too

. This is no way a dig at the logging Industries, just a dig at the way some of this area was cut, lots of debree.

MD Shaun Hulsizer

Abalone · 11-03-2007, 05:05 AM

" Scuffy " that cracks me up. Wouldn't you love to sit out one night with the troopers just to hear the excuses..?

Honest ! I was cleaning my gun and it went off.

baltz526 · 11-03-2007, 05:24 AM

i know a guy who shot scruffy, twice! legally

Norski · 11-03-2007, 06:17 AM

Baltz, I know someone too, it was me, and the police said I was the only one who pulled his truck off the road, and walked up off the road, I wanted a closer shot, it was funny at the time, I thought I had a nice 4 point buck to take home, I shot that thing 3 times, the police were a yell-en, STOP be for you rune it for us.
I just about do do'ed my pants, they scared me, my hart was a pumping.

Katie Ann II · 11-03-2007, 09:08 AM

they need videos on youtube so we all can watch

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-03-2007, 09:18 AM

The guy I talked to got a warning only , when he seen the deer he pulled off into a ditch around the corner and snuck back behind a tree and looked the deer over with his scope when he thaught something wasn't right with scruffy, luckily he didnt shoot and when getting in his truck was confronted, They said you cannot stop and park along that road because its a county road and if he would have shot it would have been accross a county road, also a NO NO. Said they handed out quite a few tickets

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MD

willierower · 11-03-2007, 09:20 AM

I know someone who shot him legally too..... The funny thing is the boys in blue were illegal!!!!! Even they need permission to set up on private property!

I applaud the OSP, but sometimes they get a little overzealous.

flyin chrome · 11-03-2007, 09:27 AM

I know a fella that drove WAY past scruffy and turned up a side road. He then stalked up a draw all the way to scruffy in archery season and made a great shot!!! He said it made a really strange sound when he hit it. Shortly there after OSP yelling and waving arms came up to him and gave him a High 5! They applauded him for his effort and apparent shooting ability.

5 Salt · 11-03-2007, 09:41 AM

Good Stories

thresher · 11-03-2007, 09:41 AM

lol now that would be funny to watch. Guy sneeks up draws back and zing!
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Wait whats that i hear? Metal, must be that bionic deer ive been hearing about.

lentz · 11-03-2007, 10:21 AM

At our local sportsman show, the OSP used to have a booth and would show videos of people shooting scruffy. It was always a good laugh!!

Don Becker · 11-03-2007, 10:26 AM

Here's my "scruffy" story - - not

Don

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Several years ago while doing some early elk scouting in the Saddle Mountain Unit, we spotted two nice forked-horn bucks about 100 yards off of Music Pond Road (for those who might be familiar with the area). We stopped and admired them for awhile and then, when it was time to move on, we realized they had not moved a muscle . . . not a tail wag, not an eye blink, nothing. Curious, I honked the horn, nothing . . . we yelled, we slammed the doors . . . . nothing would make those bucks take notice . . . we concluded they knew we were no threat and we went on. 'Got a couple hundred yards up the road and I just started "busting a gut." The guys all thought (they were right, of course) I'd gone nuts . . . . . I explained, "That's a couple of "scruffies." and I turned around and we went back. They were still standing exactly in the same positions and hadn't moved a muscle. So, we decided there was no reason we couldn't go take a closer look. The four of us, laughing and joking-round, walked within about 40 yards of those two bucks . . . they STILL hadn't moved a muscle! Then, they bolted............................................

bait dunker · 11-03-2007, 12:16 PM

on the south side of silver falls park, silver ridge road runs in and out of the park. i was headed up the evening of opening day to hunt a small patch of private land. in front of me were a chevy pick up with 4 guys all holding bows and a 70,s sedan, woman driving, and her husband on the hood holding his bow. as the group of vehicles rounded a corner, here was a nice forked horn standing in a clearing. the chevy pick up stopped and all of the guys in back were flicking sticks like they were at war! the sedan seeing all of this passed the pickup just as osp came out of the bushes from the other side of the road. the sedan pulled ahead about 200 yards to a turn out, the husband stalked to within about 15 yard and let an arrow fly. osp was still ticketing all the slobs in the chevy. they called the other guy over and as i finally decided to drive by, i heard him explaining that he didnt know it was a park and he thought they all missed! i started laughing so hard, but then osp told me to move along unless i was part of their group. i said no way, thanked them for ticketing the slobs and went my way. i didnt get my deer that day either...

Tvfowlhunter · 11-03-2007, 02:34 PM

Bait dunker,

That's awesome!

Smoked Salmon · 11-03-2007, 06:08 PM

Early this week I called up our local security man to talk about some illegal forest products harvest that was happening up that road. Apparently a couple guys parked on the wrong side of a gate over the weekend, and were so busy cutting limbs for the wreathe industry that they didn't notice their problem until Tuesday afternoon. I biked down that road and saw at least 250 bundles of long leaf pine boughs plus rain gear, pole saws, and other garbage. About the only positive thing I can say is that they had policed the campsites and all the trash was in a bag. I'll have to check back up there now that things have quieted down.

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-03-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoked Salmon

Early this week I called up our local security man to talk about some illegal forest products harvest that was happening up that road. Apparently a couple guys parked on the wrong side of a gate over the weekend, and were so busy cutting limbs for the wreathe industry that they didn't notice their problem until Tuesday afternoon. I biked down that road and saw at least 250 bundles of long leaf pine boughs plus rain gear, pole saws, and other garbage. About the only positive thing I can say is that they had policed the campsites and all the trash was in a bag. I'll have to check back up there now that things have quieted down.

That is quite funny, we seen the guys in question i believe, we were wondering what the heck they were doing at first, looked kinda suspicious
but after watching them with my bino's i noticed that they were cuttin small fir branches, they were there in a van the first day, the second day they had a 35' Uhaul up there, and i mean way up that road. Hmm some peoples kids.

They must have been up in the area that was closed for logging when you noticed them, thurs and fri they were in an area you can access with your vehicle.

MD

Abalone · 11-04-2007, 04:41 AM

If they were cutting small fir Branches then what is the harm ?
Won't hurt the tree any....

But tresspassing is tresspassing and I am ok with that....

STGRule · 11-04-2007, 06:41 AM

It's kinda like the local florist coming into your yard and picking your flowers to sell. Won't hurt your plants, but they are your flowers, not theirs. And then there is the problem of it not likely to only be two people doing it. Many, many people collect boughs for the industry. Then it could indeed hurt the trees.

Abalone · 11-04-2007, 11:30 AM

In this case the forest companies don't grow trees or use their trees to make money this way. I doubt if it would be cost effective.

I would say even if those where my trees I wouldn't get excited so long as the left the crowns ( Apex ) alone. Lateral prunning might even speed up the growth a little bit.

But I would hope anyone that was on my property would ask first.

" If there is money in it why don't the forest companies get into the market ? "

Small potatos

I love these Scuffy Stories,

I'd love to hear some OSP versions of the stories.

They have fun with this I am sure..

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-04-2007, 12:54 PM

I love these Scuffy Stories,

I'd love to hear some OSP versions of the stories.

They have fun with this I am sure..[/quote]

Me too, Love it when they show them on TV, something about watching someone shoot a deer 4-6 times and still wonder why it hasn't moved yet is Good stuff :lurk:.

MD

Joe Schwab · 11-04-2007, 05:22 PM

Whether it is public land or private land, you must have a permit for commercial harvest of boughs, moss, etc. Most of those people you see in the woods do have permits and occasionally they stray from their permit area. However they are usually very careful because violation will lose them their permit.

No, thinning does not usually hurt the trees but there is money to be made and there is a lot of competition to get the hot spots.

If this was up on Old St. Helens Rd. they were not located. Someone let them out with a key.

Land Shark · 11-04-2007, 06:02 PM

My brother worked the Scruffy set ups for a couple years with the OSP. He use to install the remote control units that turned the heads from side to side. He has some hilarious stories but the one the stuck with me was when they did a daytime set up for shooting from or across a road during Cascade Elk season near Estacada. Two so called " hunters' pulled up in a pick up. The driver hopped out and got down on one knee just behind his driver side door and started wailing away. The other guy jumped out jamming his rifle trying to load it. Once he got a round chambered he layed it across the side of the bed and let one go, only to blow a hole in the bed about an inch away from his buddies head....:frown: . The driver proceeded to beat on his buddy as the OSP pulled up and ticketed them. There are alot of good reasons to have Scruffy out there.

PacificHooker · 11-04-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddie'sDaddy

I love these Scuffy Stories,

I'd love to hear some OSP versions of the stories.

They have fun with this I am sure..

Me too, Love it when they show them on TV, something about watching someone shoot a deer 4-6 times and still wonder why it hasn't moved yet is Good stuff :lurk:.

MD[/quote]

I heard they were gunna show some on TV later this month

Trick · 11-05-2007, 05:09 AM

Typed "deer decoy" into you tube and found a series of vids of poachers shooting "scruffy". Not sure what state? Might be Missouri?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30de52iN92w

This is one of them.

Hooked up · 11-05-2007, 05:13 AM

:lurk:

arlie · 11-05-2007, 05:22 AM

Years back, when Scruffy was something new, I was showing a honey hole for elk to my neighbor for his rifle season. On the way up we saw an OSP officer talking to a young man. A little ways past we saw a real nice 4x4 and a smaller 3 point standing in some young reprod. We thought maybe if that young fellow still had a tag that he might want to make a try for one of them so we drove back down and told them that there was a real good chance at a buck just up the road. All that young feller did was hang his head and the officer just smiled. We drove away shaking our heads

Bill Monroe · 11-05-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lentz

At our local sportsman show, the OSP used to have a booth and would show videos of people shooting scruffy. It was always a good laugh!!

My favorite is the red pickup that comes to a stop, but the doors don't open. Instead, there are two very fast bullet holes in the roof of the cab...coming from the inside...

Wreckless · 11-05-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

My favorite is the red pickup that comes to a stop, but the doors don't open. Instead, there are two very fast bullet holes in the roof of the cab...coming from the inside...

DANG, my ears are ringing now!!! I too love the videos. The sad part is if OSP had 25 "Scruffies" poachers would clog the court system

Quick story, my friend used to live out near Gaston on a farm. His dad got a nice Rooster Pheasant opening day. Just for fun he skinned it and did a crude taxidermy job and put it out in the field next to the house. He barely got back into the house before someone blasted the fake bird

He decided that someone might hit the house so he carefully went out and got it.......

Poachers

Abalone · 11-05-2007, 10:51 AM

How does the State Police get around entrapment....?

Maddie'sDaddy · 11-05-2007, 10:53 AM

I wonder if they loose there liscences, Maybe a bunch of them were planning on first season elk, which would leave the woods a little less crowded

MD

ehunter · 11-05-2007, 11:35 AM

How is this entrapment no body is forcing them to do any thing no body is calling them telling them a deer or elk is there

No as a freind of mine says this is just weeding the gene pool out. Hopefully they can get some of these guys off the road before they even get out of their truck. If your legal there is no penalty for shooting it. I have seen them twice once the deer and another time the elk. The deer had us fooled and we had a young man sneaking up on it and they pulled up before he shot not a problem,they let him know that he had done every thing legal. The elk we just cracked up and that was during bow season and they got several guys...

I have never seen a nice bull stand off the road in mid day and let cars go by at 40 yards yes I am sure it happens but you have to wonder

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Originally Posted by Abalone

How does the State Police get around entrapment....?

Joe Schwab · 11-05-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Abalone

How does the State Police get around entrapment....?

Abalone, entrapment would be if the OSP stood on the road and told someone to shoot that deer, then cited them for doing it. Placing a wallet on a bench in a public place is not entrapment.

Capin' Dan · 11-05-2007, 05:40 PM

I know I'll probably get blasted by most folks on this forum but it relly makes me angry when they play the scruffy video's at the sportsman show. Reason being this is what folks are seeing and think that hunters are all about. We know the difference between hunters and poachers and ethics but poeple who are non hunters or perhaps fishermen that don't just think there are those hunters blasting anything that moves no matter where.

My opinion OSP do your job but you don't need to go braggin because you baited them.

Many people don't like baitin deer or elk. I feel scruffy is a lazy way for OSP to do their jobs.

Thats my opinion and I'm entilated (sp) to it

Got Fish? · 11-05-2007, 05:42 PM

I saw a "scruffy" video from back east. A guy shot the deer from his truck and never got out. When he shot the officer that was down a little road off the side drove out and pulled him over across about 100 yards down the road. They had someone taping the deer and as that driving officer was writing the ticket another truck coming down the road about 100 yards away saw the deer and was so focused on shooting it he didn't notice the officer with the first truck. He took the shot before realizing up the road 100 yards there was another dude getting a ticket. Talk about Buck Fever!

Joe Schwab · 11-06-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Capin' Dan

My opinion OSP do your job but you don't need to go braggin because you baited them.

Many people don't like baitin deer or elk. I feel scruffy is a lazy way for OSP to do their jobs.

Thats my opinion and I'm entilated (sp) to it

Dan, Did you ever try shooting ducks without decoys? Try sitting on a live deer once and wait for soemone to come along and road shoot it. Talk about a waste of time! Decoys came about because hunters demanded something be done about road hunters. They work! Never heard a bad comment about the decoy videos at sport shows. One woman one time approached the booth with her husband in tow. She proudly announced to the people listening that she had one of those in her living room. We asked her why and she replied "because this genius shot it. So I bought it to remind him every day! " Now that is cruel!

Sea Jypzee · 11-06-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Hook

Dan, Did you ever try shooting ducks without decoys? Try sitting on a live deer once and wait for soemone to come along and road shoot it. Talk about a waste of time! Decoys came about because hunters demanded something be done about road hunters. They work! Never heard a bad comment about the decoy videos at sport shows. One woman one time approached the booth with her husband in tow. She proudly announced to the people listening that she had one of those in her living room. We asked her why and she replied "because this genius shot it. So I bought it to remind him every day! " Now that is cruel!

That thar is one smart wife!

Old Coot · 11-06-2007, 08:29 PM

Cap'n Dan, you are right, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

So am I. A few years ago I did the filming for a decoy operation out of Lyons. As memory serves, in the first hour, in inky darkness, 8 out of 9 vehicles that passed the decoys stopped and shot. This was in coal-black night, not just the moments before legal shooting time. One guy fired a full magazine and then reloaded and commenced firing again, at 3 decoys 40 feet away. These decoys didn't move - it never dawned on him that real deer might start to leave after, say, the first 5 shots?

Another one drew two pistols out of shoulder holsters and sprayed about 20 rounds all over the landscape.

This year I set up my deer camp three days before season, and tore it down the Wednesday after season started. The amount of garbage and beer cans that accumulated along the roadsides in that week was unbelievable and every bit of it came from hunters because no-one else was out there.

My opinion is that our sport has become overrun with unethical, law-breaking slobs; and I am pleased that OSP is out there doing whatever they can to stop them.

(If you saw the video with the three guys bailing out of the car, one of them belly-sliding 10 feet on a gravel road, and then shooting almost straight at the camera from about 35 feet, I shot that clip AND kept my shorts clean!.)

OC

HntnFsh · 11-07-2007, 07:13 AM

Theres also the story about the guy that used to be a taxidermist around Castle Rock.Built a decoy deer as part of his restitution for a game violation.

I beleieve it was the following season he got nailed for shooting the decoy he built.Was cited with a few violations,as well as his wife for having a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

Pond · 11-07-2007, 01:20 PM

Last night I tried for and hour to post a reply but it would link up from some reason. So this is a test post before I repost.....

Pond

Pond · 11-07-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pond

Last night I tried for and hour to post a reply but it would link up from some reason. So this is a test post before I repost.....

Pond

I just wanted to say the OSP Wildlife Enforcement Decoy (WED) program is just one of many tools used to apprehend those who would violate our F&W laws. The troopers that use the WED's have to attend a specific training in order to use them. The operations in which they are used are usually directed to a specific problem.

They are one of the best tools for apprehending subjects hunting w/o tags during the daytime.

Probably the best tool we have for catching spotlighters.

Knowing that the scruffy is out there helps in gaining voluntary compliance with the law. Although some haven't figured that out yet.

If you have time or didn't draw a tag, contact an OSP F&W Trooper and go on a ride along when they conduct a WED operation and see for yourself. (OSP is also hiring)

Pond

Sea Saw · 11-07-2007, 02:34 PM

My cousin shot scruffy 3 times (legally ) he said I thought something might be wrong when that damn Bull just stood there after 3 rounds from a 300 mag.They did get my other cousin that was with him for leaving a hanging chad on his tag from the elk he shot the day before (really nittpickin if you ask me )but scruffy got a few more holes out of it.