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Old 10-23-2007, 01:08 PM   #1
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BEND, Ore. - Between the North Sister and Middle Sister in Oregon's Cascade Range, Collier Glacier has advanced and receded for hundreds of thousands of years. But like many glaciers, it is headed in one direction these days: backward.

It is in serious peril, says geologist Ellen Morris Bishop of the Fossil-based Oregon Paleo Lands Institute. "We have basically a really sad picture of Collier Glacier today."

Geologists blame among other things a warming climate, altering the landscape and perhaps the availability of water to high-elevation ecosystems. Collier is shrinking faster than most of the 35 glaciers in the state.

"Now everything is just in a chaotic shrink," Bishop said.
This summer she led a climate change-themed tour of the Central Oregon Cascades, starting from McKenzie Pass and heading south. Volcanic activity built the Cascades, but over eons the glaciers have worn them down.

At the glacier's base is a moraine, or a ridge of rocks, deposited by the slowly moving glacier when it was bigger. Today an empty valley fills the space between the ridge and the glacial edge.
"This was a full valley in 1906," Bishop said. Since then it has retreated more than a mile.

The ice sheet has visibly shrunk since she first visited the glacier in the 1980s, Bishop said.
"We're in trouble," said David Eddleston, of Bend and a participant in the field trip. "It's right there in front of our eyes."
The shrinking of the glacier started about the same time carbon dioxide emissions started rising, Bishop said.
"It's all tied to climate change, said Peter Clark, a geosciences professor at Oregon State University.
In the late 19th century, many glaciers started to retreat, he said. That shrinking was probably due to natural fluctuations in the atmospheric temperature.
But in the last 20 to 30 years, all of the Cascades' glaciers have been shrinking, he said.
Collier is reflective of glaciers all along the Cascades, Clark said.
And because the actions of glaciers reflect temperatures from two decades ago, even if warming trends were to stop today, glaciers would still be shrinking for at least 20 years to come, he said.
With warming predicted to rise between 3 and 5 degrees by the end of the century, temperature will likely be the main factor that causes glaciers' decline.
"Most people would say that by the turn of the century there will be very little ice left on the mountains," Clark said.

Glaciers store water in the winter and then release it throughout the year, Clark said, spreading out the time when water is flowing. Without the glaciers, many streams will rely more on springtime runoff.
"It will affect the water balance of the mountainous regions," he said.
"At some point, they're going to be so small that they're not going to pump out that water," said Andrew Fountain, a geology professor at Portland State University.
And when that happens, lands at higher elevations will be much drier and subject to droughts, Fountain said. Stream flow will probably decrease, which means that plant life along those waterways would diminish.
Some lakes previously fed by glaciers would become clearer because there would be no sediment but they could also start to evaporate and become smaller.
But while glaciers might shrink, that doesn't mean the ice on mountains will disappear completely, he said.
"It's actually tough to get rid of a glacier," Fountain said. As glaciers retreat, they do so by inching up to higher mountain elevations, where the air is colder.
"But it's the difference," Fountain said, "between the Collier Glacier today and a little ice patch that might be 100 yards long." ___
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:50 PM   #2
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"Jonathan Kirshner, 28, hikes a crevasse in July at Mount Shasta's Whitney Glacier, the only glacier in the world that's now larger than it was in 1890, according to the California Academy of Sciences. Global warming may explain why, say some scientists, because warmer winter air can carry more moisture, increasing snowfall at higher elevations. Sacramento Bee/Kevin German"
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:54 PM   #3
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Meanwhile Hubbard glacier, 25% larger than Rhode Island and the largest calving glacier in North America, continues to grow decade by decade. Seven other calving glaciers in Alaska are exhibiting similar growth.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-001-03/

We could be in for a period of intense global cooling.....

You read it here first. (sorry for the hijack)
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:21 PM   #4
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Meanwhile Hubbard glacier, 25% larger than Rhode Island and the largest calving glacier in North America, continues to grow decade by decade. Seven other calving glaciers in Alaska are exhibiting similar growth.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-001-03/

We could be in for a period of intense global cooling.....

You read it here first. (sorry for the hijack)

I think you might be right Jack, expanding glaciers mean global cooling.
I wonder how much a ticket will be to go through the Northwest Passage?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...e-debate_x.htm
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:47 PM   #5
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And because the actions of glaciers reflect temperatures from two decades ago, even if warming trends were to stop today, glaciers would still be shrinking for at least 20 years to come, he said.

I dont buy this for one second. I may have been born at night, but it wasnt last night.
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:17 PM   #6
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There is a new Glacier also, inside Mt. St Helens Crater, however World Wide most Glaciers are shrinking, the NASA Cha.(213) on Dish network shows yearly Satelite view's of the North Ice Cap in motion, & this year showed the biggest melt off since recording started.
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Old 10-23-2007, 05:54 PM   #7
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Let's see, increases in greenhouse gases and a warming environment... I guess there is no way to make a connection.


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Chrome Bumper, I know a company whose intials are BRI, and they have nothing to do with OJ. Also, it really doesn't add up in your signature as an acronym.

Please change it or feel the true wrath of the real BRI!
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:08 AM   #9
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Columbia River near the mouth of the Walla Walla River, 1929. Yea, there's no warming going on. In the last 20 years I haven't seen so much as a skim of ice at this same location. Keep in mind when this photo was taken the river was still flowing and would thus be more difficult to freeze solid.

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Old 10-24-2007, 02:46 PM   #10
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I believe that warming is occuring, what I dont believe is where the article said that even if temps got cooler that the glaciers would continue to melt for another 20 years. I call BS when I read garbage like that. Ice does not have a memory or a thought process. If its cold its ice if its warm its water, its easy. To say that ice will continue to melt regardless of temp is preposterous.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:24 PM   #11
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BEND, Ore. - Between the North Sister and Middle Sister in Oregon's Cascade Range, Collier Glacier has advanced and receded for hundreds of thousands of years. But like many glaciers, it is headed in one direction these days: backward.

Yep. I remember about 437,000 years ago that the Collier Glacier (we called it Pop Snort Grunt Grunt back then) was really cookin'. Then the eruption 373,419 years ago wiped all that out. It took many, many centuries for the glacier to rebuild back to it's former glory but it was worth the wait. Then of course global warming melted everything 345,228 years ago. :frown: But that only lasted a few hundred years and again, the glacier rebuilt itself. All this happened a few more times intermixed with global cooling and a handful of global glaicial periods that really helped kickstart the new ice sheets.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:06 PM   #12
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Yep. I remember about 437,000 years ago that the Collier Glacier (we called it Pop Snort Grunt Grunt back then) was really cookin'.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:14 PM   #13
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Yep. I remember about 437,000 years ago that the Collier Glacier (we called it Pop Snort Grunt Grunt back then) was really cookin'. Then the eruption 373,419 years ago wiped all that out. It took many, many centuries for the glacier to rebuild back to it's former glory but it was worth the wait. Then of course global warming melted everything 345,228 years ago. :frown: But that only lasted a few hundred years and again, the glacier rebuilt itself. All this happened a few more times intemixed with global cooling and a handful of global glaicial periods that really helped kickstart the new ice sheets.
So what you are trying to say is that this is a natural cycle and that the earth has been heating and cooling for millions of years!!!! I won't believe it until I see a movie that says it's true
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:53 AM   #14
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"The shrinking of the glacier started about the same time carbon dioxide emissions started rising, Bishop said.

Yea it's probably just by chance that the glaciers around the world just "happened" to start shrinking at the same time carbon dioxide emmisions began to rise. Silly PHD Climatologists!!! What do they know!!

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