Jim Bain is licensed in the state of Washington. Part 2

Osprey · 08-22-2001, 12:06 PM

So let me get this sraight you got an e-mail from some person who obviously has had a issues with Jim in the past......and since he runs his own web-site .......this makes his word....The truth....PLEASE?????

It's about time the truth comes out,to bad it took another thread to get it done.

For the record,I am a Egg and a Jig *****.....I just can't deny the rumors any longer [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]...Os

DanS · 08-22-2001, 12:33 PM

Just a little disappointed in the way you handled this issue, Jen. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

Jennie@ifish · 08-22-2001, 12:45 PM

I'm sorry.
Jen [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 01:31 PM

Before you all go pointing fingers and assuming that slander has occured here. You should get up to date on the facts. It is not legal to guide below the Longview bridge UNLESS you have valid Coast Gaurd permits as well as a charter license. A simple guide license WILL NOT CUT IT! If you are guiding illegally below the bridge you can expect to be arrested and fined heavily and hopefully no one gets hurt while fishing with an illegal guide. These are the facts.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 08-22-2001, 01:39 PM

Thanks for the enlightenment, Bruce. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Last time I checked, Jim seems to be a pretty good guy, and it's sad to see others' jealousy take away from the compliments paid to Jim. When's the last time you invited a total stranger to go fishing with you, share your knowledge that took years to amass, and not charge a cent? Nah, I didn't think so.

Duh Duh Duh Duh...newsflash you bunch of gangbusters; you are only helping out people's negative opinions of guides, and I'm one of those people. You want to bark at someone, then bark at me. Instead of directing your emails to Jen; direct them to me, and tell me why a compliment thread had to be closed. I'm sure it was either lawyer boy or one of the paid gangbusters. [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]

For the record Jim, papers or no papers, thank you for giving some of us sportsmen a good name.

Dogfish · 08-22-2001, 01:47 PM

Now I see what the folks over at Bob's board were talking about. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

It's kind of like running a story about how someone went out of their way to save some ducklings crossing the road, only to have some bully come along and stomp on them.

Not cool in my book.

Andy

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 01:50 PM

This has nothing to do with Jim Bain, just wanted to air the facts about guiding below the Longview bridge. Don't do it unless you are looking for trouble. I totally agree that Guides many times get a bad rap, but I also think that, many times it is other guides that do it. I personally know and have a lot of respect for a number of guides, I fish with them whenever I get the chance.

Since you ask, I have often taken strangers out fishing and I also am very generous when it comes to sharing fishing info. Why would you assume otherwise?

DanS · 08-22-2001, 01:57 PM

Give it a rest, Bruce. You are obviously at odds with Jim, and everybody knows it. Tell you what, if you see Jim guiding below Longview, call the WDFW, USCG, WSP, or whomever the proper authorities might be, and file a complaint. That should make sure all concerned are compliant.

Now, if you are SURE that Jim is illegally guiding you should have no problem getting him cited. If you're not sure, then I would recommend keeping quiet.

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 02:07 PM

You guys should quit assuming that I'm attacking Jim Bain I'M NOT! In fact I'm very please that Jim has decided to become legal and hopefully if he is taking people out below the bridge he has all of the legal credentials to do so, and my posts never mentions his name in any negative form what so ever. Just beware of the rules so that no one gets into trouble. Geezzz

I have fished with Jim and if he is a legal guide and fishing legally, I would completly support him and may do so!

DanS · 08-22-2001, 02:34 PM

My apologies, Bruce. I have read many BB's for a while and I know you and Jim haven't seen eye to eye in the past. That being said, I have always found both of you to be friendly, knowledgable types and always wished that some sort of "truce" could be called between you.

Tight lines.....

FM2 · 08-22-2001, 02:37 PM

Hey dogfish, when you say "Bobs board" what board are you referring to. I have heard of other db but have not really asked about them. Please let me know about this one.

Backlash2 · 08-22-2001, 02:38 PM

Well, apparently the moral of the story is....

"When someone pours you a free bowl of wheaties, always know that someone is already standing on the table, waiting to pee in them" [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 08-22-2001, 02:40 PM

Bruce, why do you assume that I was only talking to you? Exactly my point.

Separated paragraphs usely signify separate expressions, ideas, information, etc.

Gonna go out on a limb here and tell all you nwfishing.com lame asses to just stay around your own URL. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] Funny thing, my inbox remains empty.

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 02:47 PM

Thanks DanS. and glad to hear your comment was not directed at me YALL.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 08-22-2001, 02:53 PM

Hey Bruce, you may want to correct "comany" to "company", unless comany is a word. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

Yeah, it's slow here..lol (not pointing to head)

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 03:01 PM

I can't believe that someone hasn't pointed that out before. Thanks

Dogfish · 08-22-2001, 03:19 PM

FM2,

Here is "Bob's board".

There are a lot of the same folks at both sites. Most of the emphasis there is Washington waters, where as this board is primarily Oregon, and the Columbia and it's tributaries. Both sites are very informative, but over there you will find a lot less involvement from the mod squad.

I like things about both, especially the hunting part on this site (Thanks Jen! Like I don't spend enough time on my computer as it is already. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) , but things tend to be a little less uptight there and we speak freely without the worry of deletion. There is a lot of self moderation and I have only seen Bob play the Board **** once and it was entirely appropriate.

I don't mean to stir things up. That is not my intention. I just wanted to state my opinion.

Jen, I accept your apology.

Andy

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Rauly · 08-22-2001, 03:38 PM

Bruce is a Coast Guard License required above the Longview Bridge?

Rauly

Bruce · 08-22-2001, 03:47 PM

No above the bridge your totally cool with just a Guides license. Just remember any waterway that is what the call "Navigable" you need the Coast Gaurd permits. From what I hear the Charter boat operators are really getting ****** off about all illegal guiding below the bridge. The only way to get a charter boat license is to buy one out that already exists and it's very pricy. Anywhere from $30,000 to $100,000 to get one and the authorities are really cracking down on it. I also talked to WDFW today and was told that the Chinook fishery at Bouy 10 is going to be closing soon.

Krome Brite · 08-22-2001, 04:05 PM

'Yall, you spelled the word "usually" wrong. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE REEL HEY_YALL:
Separated paragraphs usely signify separate expressions, ideas, information, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or is "usely" a word? [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Dude, remember to check your spelling before posting about somebody elses mizspeld words! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Embarrassing! [img]images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

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fishinlady97140 · 08-22-2001, 04:11 PM

If you were out on the water fishin you wouldn't have time to bicker online about someone else's guide license.....GO FISH!

(note: fishin is a shortened, accepted form of fishing...not necessarily misspelled :-)

Krome Brite · 08-22-2001, 04:55 PM

I'll accept it... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Pete · 08-22-2001, 05:15 PM

Bruce,
When you say "navigable", that's a legally-loaded term. I recognize that most waters of Oregon have not been adjudicated, but I'm surprised that the Columbia above the bridge wouldn't be considered "navigable". Is this really the distinction requiring a CG license? I know that for some Oregon waters, historic use of the river for floating logs to a mill has resulted in the designation "navigable".

Maybe the best answer would be to point me towards the regulations for the CG licenses, eh?

DanS · 08-22-2001, 05:22 PM

Pete,

Lake Washington has never been deemed "navigable", either, but I'm pretty sure it is. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] It's just a question of whether a court has deemed it as such.

Joe Schwab · 08-22-2001, 06:40 PM

Not to question Washington laws but since when is a Coast Guard license not required anywhere in the Columbia River? It is my understanding that a long time ago the Coast Guard came down hard on Oregon guides for not having at least a 6 pack license to guide on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers. What the hey makes Washington different? If the state wants to restrict charter licenses that is one thing but Coast Guard license applies anywhere there is Federal Jurisdiction. Can someone expand on this?

photofishn · 08-22-2001, 11:54 PM

To all

I just spoke to the WDFW and they confirmed that Jim is a legal guide, licensed in the state of Washington.

I also find it rather strange that the other thread was closed before the facts were out.

Respectfully

Mark Phillips

Bruce · 08-23-2001, 05:58 AM

Ok I think I've got it right this time [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

You are required to have a Coast Guard License to guide anywhere on the Columbia River. Below the Longview bridge you are also required to have a Charter Boat License to fish for salmon. Most rivers are at least partially navigatable. In those waters you must have a Coast Guard License. The Columbia, Willamette and Snake Rivers require a Masters Inland while other rivers require a Limited Scope. A Limited Scope License does not allow you to fish the Columbia. A Masters Inland does not allow you to fish Near Costal and so on. If you have no Coast Guard License and you are fishing in Coast Guard waters you have no insurance.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 08-23-2001, 06:18 AM

KB, glad you were the only one to have picked up on that sarcasm.

Silent Lucidity · 08-23-2001, 06:33 AM

Oh, so it's not spelling errors, it's SARCASM. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 08-23-2001, 10:06 AM

Oh, so it was 19', and not 20'? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Joe Schwab · 08-23-2001, 06:18 PM

Oh well, you nearly had it right. Masters inland has nothing to do with the area you fish unless you are running more than a 6 pack. If you test and qualify for a Masters, you automatically qualify for a 6 pack. Limited licenses are a thing of the past. Any motor vessel carrying passengers for hire on Federal waterways requires a license. Thus you can fish near coastal with an inland masters because you also possess a 6pack license. Washington has some strange regs regarding charter vs. guide boats. There is really no difference except that in Oregon you must have a charter license to proceed offshore. This you simply purchase by showing you have a valid 6 pack lic. Your insurance is a matter between you and your company. Trust me if you fish outside your insurance coverage you will be in deep doodoo. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]