Fluky afternoon on the Willamette

AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 12:01 AM

I was fishing just below the falls and slaughtering the shad with a teeny weeny dick nite, gold and chartruse. After a while, the stink of the plant got to me, so I decided to move down river for the last hour of day light.

I anchored just above the Clakamas right in line with the other boats, above and below, about 100 yards from shore. One and only one of the 100 or so bank fisherman objected to my location and with a thick south of the border accent, and demanded I move. I knew I was not infringing on the bank fishermans' space, so just replied "bite me ****". He did have exceptionally good casting range, and then put a sinker over my boat. I said "hey dork, your green card does not entitle you to river ownership, even if you have the range to cast all the way accross". He did it again, so I cut his line. He then began making threats, and so my dog got on the bow, barking and snarling. I said "do that again, and we're coming ashore. You're no match for me and besides my dog loves ******* ****", and with my peeler rod, skillfully landed an 8 oz cannonball about three feet from his gonads. (I busted my hiney on the bow to transom restoration of my boat and have $11k invested, so rifling led at it pretty much guarantees the opening of a can of woop *** ). He jumped back and asked "what did you pay for your boat..about $10?"...I said "yes... about $9 more than you paid for your fat wife". All the other bank fisherman were laughing at him.

Shortly thereafter with no fish having bitten, I decided there was too much pressure in the area, and relocated to mid river right off the mouth of the Clakamas...nailed a few more shad, and just as I was about to fire up and head home, got bit once more.....hmmmmm...if this is a shad, its a world record. It wasn't moving very fast, and the water is way too warm for spawners to be biting, so I pretty much ruled out a salmon or steelhead, and assumed I had snagged a fair sized sturgeon.

Suddenly, the semi lathargic fish turned on the steam, and peeled line (12 lb test) up the Clakamas almost all the way to the ramp, nearly spooling me....Would a sturgeon go up the Clakamas, I wondered..??? Being alone, I was not about to pull anchor and drive up with this fish on, nor was I going to release and leave 350 ft of anchor line in that area, so I just kept the pressure on; as much as I dared on 12 lb test.

About a half hour later, I got the fish near to the boat again, and it broke water...Holy Moly!..It IS a chinook, and a fattie at that! I figured my chances of landing him with that pewney hook and with such light line were slim, but having invested so much time in the fight, I got real real careful about putting too much pressure on.

Finally, I got him to the boat, with by big net in the other hand...just as I leaned forward to extend the net, the tiny lure poped out of the water. I dropped my pole, lunged forward over the side with both hands on the net, and netted the fish.... For a few moments, I was teeter tottering on my stomach, legs in the air, and chest and arms (and fish and net) way over the side. I caught a toe on the teak drink rack on my engine cover, and fell back into the boat...threw the fish in, broke out my 'bad salmon' stick, and delivered a couple of bonk bonks to his silvery head... 22lb buck, bright and fin clipped!!! What a great bonus to a long stringer of grunt fish!

Naturally, I had to return to the spot off where the bank maggot was fishing. I held up my prize and said "hey thanks for being a **** ****!...couldn't have done it without you ....why don't you trade your gordita in on a $10 boat and see if you can do this on 12 lb line?"...triumphantly laughing as I cruised away. Sometimes you just win.

For the record, I have absolutely nothing against imigrants of any nationality, just jerks that think they own the river. If I ever see him agian, I will intentionally snag his line with my peeler rod (80 lb braided line), anchor the pole, and floor my 150 hp boat...Whats this? a free fishing pole? I'll have to fish here again real soon!..heheheheh.

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FEAR NO FISH! · 06-26-2001, 12:25 AM

Great Story!
*********,
I couldn't stop laughing as I read your story. It took a lot of self control not to have to educate that idiot. Should have let your dog have him but the grease might not have set well with him. Is a potato gun considered a lethal weapon? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 07:04 AM

Hmmmm. Did you by any chance pull right in front of said "****"? I mean, I am a boater, but I bank fished for a long time, and still do. You have to consider that those folks have to fight each other for spots as well, which is why I prefer the boat. But to have to fight to find a spot on the bank, then have someone in a boat come and anchor in the hole you were fishing would pi$$ me off too. Especially with the replies you mention in your story. Immigration, legal or otherwise, is a whole different story than fishing and bank vs. boat, and I'm sorry, but I don't think one has anything to do with the other. On the other hand, I have had bankies move down or cast way further than they were fishing when I came in with the boat, so if something like this was the case, disregard my comments. By the way, I have also accidentally crossed bankies lines, etc., so I know I haven't been an angel of a boater either. Just my 0.02.

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Phish_on · 06-26-2001, 07:19 AM

Racism ****** me off.

FEAR NO FISH! · 06-26-2001, 07:37 AM

Phish on,
Better to be urinated off then
urinated on. The only racism I have
is for lead throwing Idiots. What
would you do if somebody started
throwing lead at your boat? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

CAGEY · 06-26-2001, 07:42 AM

Angle This
That was an interesting story to say the least.It would have been a great story if you would have selected differnt words to describe your displeasure with the bank fisherman. Befor i get teed off with anyone i try to put myself in their place and see what view i then have of the situation, You may be surprised at the different outlook you might have if you were on the other end. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 07:48 AM

FNF -- Hope I didn't start another bash thread here. Obviously none of us were there, only you and the other guy. So we can't judge how you responded, and I didn't mean to do that. That's why I put alot of "ifs" and "maybe"s in there. But I think Cagey brings up a good point for all of us, not just about fishing, but about life in generally (insert cheesy elevator music and smarmy commercial-guy voice here). Can't we all just get along?!?

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FEAR NO FISH! · 06-26-2001, 08:07 AM

Sir,
I feel you are mistaken about me being
to close to where you are fishing.
Please do not be mad at me. Excuse me
while I duck for my life as you throw
lead at me. I will not call you any
racist names. Excuse me I need to
duck as you throw lead my way again.
Now sir, please understand that I am
an Angry, White, Male. Do not forsake
me for we are all brothers under god.
OUCH! I am really hurting now. Lead is
extremely heavy. I don't think many of
you on this board would react this
way. A slur is no reason to start
throwing lead at anyone. Boaters unite
to fend off the scourge of angry bank
fishermen. If you are nice you can
come on the boat.
[img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

chuck 'n' duck · 06-26-2001, 08:08 AM

I'm really surprised that you were able to keep your cool and not give that guy an a** whoopin. If somebody started hurling lead at my boat, they better have a good pair of legs to run with, because I would be headed straight to shore to "teach them better fishing ediquette".

CnD

AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 09:21 AM

Hi guys. To reiterate, I was well off shore and exactly in line with the boats above and below. He had a good 100 yards to cast to, and had obviously decided that any distance from him, if in front of him at all, was unacceptable. As I said, he and only he objected and he and only he intentionally added heavier wieght, so he could reach my boat, and attempt to scare me off. I didn't spend $11k and about 600 hours of hard labor to be ordered around by anyone; bankie or boater.

I am not a racist, but in a battle of words, I have no problem using racist words or remarks as wheapons of insulting nature. Had he been white, or black or pink or purple, I would have come up with something similar and appropriate.

Chuck n Duck...Yes I do pat my self on the back for some restraint. I warned him once, then cut his line and warned him again. Had he not backed off or had he hit my boat with any lead, I would have gone ashore and demonstrated what an in shape ****** off athelete with 9 years of world class karate training (no Chuck Norris garbage) can do in about 2.5 seconds, and he would now be in the hospital with multiple fractures, one of them being his pole. In that event, had he tried to run, I would not have tried to outrun him and left my boat unattended...got a dog for that.... "Titan Boy!..go get your lunch!". He's an extremly loving and friendly medium sized two year old pure bred hearding dog, and this was the first time I've ever seen him threaten anyone...."Good boy!!... now give me back that forearm, or better yet, lets play tug-o-war".

AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 09:28 AM

Fear no fish...I respect your non threatening Christian like demeanor. However, once the windshied (or my skull) is broken, the damage is done. I personally favor a more direct and damage preventing proactive approach when dealing with one of the world's many low lifes, who alwasy retreat when confronted with immediate and extreme reprisals.

Harvey Fish · 06-26-2001, 10:15 AM

Being that this is my first post here at iFish after a long period of lurking, take as many grains of salt as you feel you must.

*********, a couple things really stood out in your post. The biggest is what is possibly a huge exaggeration of how far away from your Hispanic friend you really were. If my memory serves me correctly the spot that you are referencing is approximately 125 yards (375 feet) from bank to island, give or take 10 feet. You must have been riding the island to be 100 yards from the eastern bank. I'm also most impressed with "****'s" casting ability. We should sign him on the Portland Beavers.

The second was your use of racial slurs to make your point. In a later post you comment that if the person was "white, or black or pink or purple" that you would have come up with something just as appropriate. Does this mean that you would have called a black man a "****", an asian man a "*****", and so on? Probably so, and therefore it speaks volumes about you as a person.

Now naturally, I wasn't there to witness this spectacle and therefore I am limited by the yarn you spun. I was, however, witness to the crap you spewed in your post and am saddened for your offspring.

If I were in a situation where I was inside boat and someone questioned how close I was anchored to the bank, I would take into consideration the person I was dealing with and then relocate my boat. It doesn't matter that you feel that you were lined up with the other boats. You were fishing for SHAD..for "grunt fish". And to threaten that you would show him "what an in shape ***** off athelete with 9 years of world class karate training" could do to him tells me that either you weren't paying attention during your training or your instructor forgot to teach you that it is better to avoid confrontation at all costs, and only fight when there is no other alternative.

Trust me on this one. If you would have done to him what you say you are capable of doing, you would have found yourself in jail. And then maybe "****'s" big brother "****" might just be your cell mate.

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Phish_on · 06-26-2001, 10:32 AM

I think if you were "not a racist" you could have told that story without offending me. Since I was offended, I had to say something.
You exhibited racist behavior, I can't just say "haw haw haw" and encourage that.

That's all. I'm a fat old guy with a bad back, so you can karate me without any trouble - and I bet your dog can whup my dog too. I do know some pretty good attorneys.

Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 10:38 AM

Harvey -- nice post and welcome.
Phish, as usual, you cut right to it.
I am far from PC, in fact, I'm about as far from it as I can legally get away with, but even I wouldn't use that verbage to tell a story, no matter how PO'd I was. I won't jump to any more conclusions, suffice it to say I wouldn't have followed up with the "in shape karate student" comment either.

Harvey Fish · 06-26-2001, 12:01 PM

And if you do not want to hear opinions, then don't air out your laundry in a public forum.

The comments that were made primarily targeted his bigotted statements. If he had used other derogetory statements (look to my first post for examples), the reaction would have been the same.

No matter how many times you say that you are not bigotted, no one is going to believe you when bigotted words come out of your mouth.

By telling the story the way he did, ********* was looking for affirmation for his actions. And if you are going to go to a public forum for approval, you need to be able to accept the disapproval along with the approval.

AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 12:46 PM

Harvey,

You are correct. Everyone had the right to voice thier opinion, public forum or not. I may disagree with what you say, but I'll die for your right to voice it.

On the other hand, you are wrong in that just because I may use a racially or nationally referenced remark at a jerk, that does not neccessarily mean I am a racist. A jerk is a jerk in any language and from any country, and if I choose to insult him for it, I have the right to use any slurs, language, terms, or expressions I choose.

And for the record, all I said was I called him "****". I may also refer to an arab that ****** me off as "******", or a black man that ****** me off as "*****". That is a far cry from the terms "**** ***", "**** *******", or "******* ******"...those are truely racist remarks and something I would never say except in my own defense and in comparison for you. Get it now big guy?

Enough of this cr**. Any individual of quality and of any color, creed, race, religion, or gender, is welcome aboard my vessel, as long as he or she does not cross my line, damage my boat, threaten me, or forget who is the skipper. So ya all answer up and lets go fishing!! The fish don't care where you were born or what second language you speak any more than I do!

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AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 12:52 PM

Sledder,

Thanks for common sense reply. Isn't it a shame how some ovesensitive insecure bleeding heart liberals can make a mountain out of a molehill?

DC

PS Sleds suck and anyone who owns one is cheating! (just kidding bud!!) [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img])

Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 01:02 PM

Hmmmm. Don't believe I called you a racist. Also don't believe I am a bleeding heart liberal. VERY far from it. I said I wouldn't have said that, and that I wouldn't repeat it here if I did. That's pretty much it.

Harvey Fish · 06-26-2001, 01:05 PM

Yes, even gringo honky cracker SOB's can be jerks.

06-26-2001, 01:26 PM

What I don't understand about the original post in this thread is why the moderators or Jen didn't edit the vulgar word ****head, or make any attempt to edit and warn about the other BB policy of no racism! You don't have to delete a post to get the message across. You can simply edit in astericks in place of vulgar or racist words. We just went thru a lot about BB policies over things much more benign than this thread! Things that got competely deleted! Being this inconsistent is what had many guys upset with this situation. On the heels of a resolution - this stays up! Very unfortunate. It was up since last night. If Jen or the 3 mods all missed it, please pardon the criticism; but take a closer look if you are going to accept a mod's responsibilities! ...

And I gotta disagree with you Angle This. You don't need to use a broad spectrum racist word in front of many people to tell a guy he is a jerk. Contrary! You should call him what he was, as "jerk". Most of the people there are already aware of that - and calling him out as a jerk could enlighten the few crackers that thought it might be OK to sling lead. BTW, carry a powerful slingshot and if a bankie slings lead a second time after a warning get it out and drill the guy. If that brings out a gun, get out of the area quick. Don't go ashore with your over-grown nads and get yourself shot. I have been thru similar training as you, as have a few other BB members that I know, but it no longer gives us a sense security as it once did - too many crazies with guns. My $0.02 worth. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

RT

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Jennie@ifish · 06-26-2001, 01:39 PM

Hi there!
Jennie is home and reading the board!
I still don't have time to read all the board, but I do find this thread racist.
Someone tell me, though, cuz I don't understand racisim or words that are used for racisim, which words I should delete?
Duh.. I know, I'm stupid!
Sorry this stayed up, most of the mods are out of town, and I got a phone call about it while out of town.
I still don't know what to do with it? Close it? Delete it?
Where do you draw the line? Interesting, cuz when we try to be consistent and delete all post concerning a rule, you guys shout censorship, and when we are out of town you cry something else.
When I hire someone to create rules, because someone thinks we need consistency, we get bashed for that. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
It's actually kind of funny. No matter what I do, it's wrong, so I just keep trying my best..
My options:
1) Do nothing and listen to certain people whine,
2) Edit out the bad words and leave it, and hear people whine.
3) Delete the whole thing and catch h e double toothpicks, or...
4) edit the bad words and lock the thread and watch a new one pop up whining.

I don't know what to do, so I will do my best... Have a ball starting a thread telling me what I did wrong now. I'm going fly fishing!

Jen

AngleThis · 06-26-2001, 11:00 PM

Harvey,

I was a bank fisherman exclusively for many years, and am sensitive to their dilema. Had more than one of them objected, I would have moved immediately. I did side angle my anchor to give him extra room, just because he was complaining, but that was as far as I was going to go. This was an obvious case of one smuck who was angry becasue he wasn't catching anything, and with an attitude that needed adjusting. I ignored him until I was clearly threated by his beligerent casting. I was plenty far from shore, he had plenty of room to fish, and if that were not the case, all the bankies would have been yelling at me, instead of laughing at him....don't you think?

Yes...If he had been black, I would have called him a *****. Had he been oriental, I would have called him a *****, etc etc, in spite of the fact that I have the greatest respect for many asian cultures, especially the Japanese one. (The style of karate I studied was Japanese shotokhan). Insulting remarks, racially related or not, I find appropriate when dealing with a jerk, as well as the reference to his wife. All is fair in love and war, and intentially throwing lead at someone's boat, with the intention of doing damage or causing bodily harm, a war is what you are asking for. I suppose I could have waited until I was hit in the head with a cannonball, and then shot him dead in self defense. That would have been legally justifiable, but I think my way was better.

I am very much aware of the ramifications of having pounded on him, and yes I was paying attention during those nine years. Had I not, I would not have had the restraint not to beach the boat the first time a cannonball wized over my head. Nevertheless, throwing lead at that speed amounts to assualt with a deadly wheapon, and law or no law, a spin kick across his chops is an appropriate response, even if resulting in injury. I hope you are not so insecure about your minority status so as to not agree.

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SLEDDER · 06-26-2001, 11:49 PM

How does an interesting story end up being a bashing session?? People, you were not there, so butt out. It is stuff like this that is ruining IFISH. No one really cares what your opinion is regarding this story, so why voice it. If you were not there you don't know what happened, and who was in the right.