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Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-24-2001, 12:04 PM

One of the Best!!!! Nick is a great Guy. John Posey of Lamiglass told me he just broke his arm. I told him I hope since he did it, it was due to a large King.
Tony Amato is also a very good angler. Nick if you read this come down to the Cal - Ore Derby this year for steelhead on the Chetco and Smith Rivers. Take Care
Dave Pitts

06-24-2001, 12:29 PM

Hey Dave, actually Nick broke his arm trying to land a creature that thought it was a large King - he'll fill ya in. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] What a bummer to have happen right before going to Tofino; with a full arm cast. He now has a smaller one on his lower arm only so he can reel in fish now.

RT

Jennie@ifish · 06-24-2001, 08:24 PM

I have many times written about the wonderful job STS does, and will continue to do so. I have recommended them to I don't know how many out of state people that have written to me.
By far, the best salmon trout and steelhead mag around! In fact, the best all around fishing mag!
I am glad to see they have not changed their format (!), and have always treated their authors well.
Go STS! (and thanks!)
J

Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-25-2001, 07:08 AM

In the October/November 2000 issue I wrote the article on page 102 and was also include in the article on page 38 of the same issue. I will have another coming out this fall on Driving King on Rivers. I have way to much fun fishing and writing about it. Have a great day. Dave Pitts of The Oregon Angler Magazine www.oregonangler.com

Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-25-2001, 07:13 AM

I forgot to say tose articles I worte were in STS. I have more fun writing for them than any other. One other thing. If you ever get the chance to be on the same river as Billy Herzog or Nick Amato just sit back and watch these two. School will be in. You will learn more about steelhead and salmon than you ever thought you knew [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Master Baiter · 06-25-2001, 07:53 AM

Dave,

I have enjoyed your articles! Didn't you write the story about the Irish V. Scotts at the Smith?

STS is an excellrnt rag, but lately I have been getting worried about the increased content of fly articles that have dominated a few recent issues.

Thomas

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Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-25-2001, 07:59 AM

Yes I did, in fact the historic rematch is this fallon the Chetco river. Fuzzy turns 89 in three weeks, I am taking my family down to Sacramento to his party, he is meaner than ever and that old stuffed King salmon was taken down for a repainting. Hahahaha it is nasty looking! He still is wearing his Kilt with nothing on under it. The man has no shame [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-25-2001, 08:07 AM

I don't want to bring down the thread or anything, but I have to say I'm not Amato's biggest fan. I don't have anything terrible to say, or any nasty insight or anything. I do agree that it's about the best magazine we have for salmon and steelhead, but honestly, I wish we had another option. I also get a little concerned about the increasing fly content. Nothing wrong with it, but there are plenty of fly fishing magazines available. Some of the content in the magazine rubs me the wrong way also. This is usually just occassional, I still but the magazine, but I wish Nick would be a little more supportive and positive about management of our fisheries. The magazine seems to take the easy way and jump on the "bash our managers" bandwagon sometimes. Other times they are just fine though. I guess I just have a problem with monopolies. I think a little competition would improve their content and their editing (which at times rivals FH News I think), but like we say, its about all we have available. I guess the other peeve would be that Amato publishing is the only place you can get books on NW fishing. Seems like all the steelhead and salmon books I have, as well as other stuff, comes from them, because no one else publishes the stuff. And most of the smaller books don't really say much, which is the fault of the writer, and me for buying it, not Amato. Again, just a problem with monopolies on my part I guess. Sorry for the downer. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] .

Sean · 06-25-2001, 08:19 AM

Don't blame the magazine entirely for content. Content is market and customer driven, and responding to the G.P. or reader requests for specific content is how smart periodicals stay on top of the market, and consequently drive advertising and circulation revenues. They have no choice - respond or fade away. If there is more ff content then you are accustomed to, it only means that more readers are asking for it then are begging for gear information. Sign of the times? And who thinks that 6-10 lb bull trout and 3-4 lb rainbows are weenie Metolius fish? Those are great fish in anyones book, so dont hack what you dont understand.

Hoosier Daddy · 06-25-2001, 08:33 AM

Sean, I understand what you are saying about content being market driven. And believe me, when I have a real bone to pick, I write letters, and have written a couple to STS. And I do understand about the FF stuff, just that I would personally prefer less of that and the stuff on East coast fishing. Although I know they sell mags to the east coast, and have to put some of that in there. Some of my problem I think may be philosophical differences with Amato himself, but like I said, I still buy. When I get PO'd for real, I won't buy anymore. And I hope you weren't talking to me about the rainbows and bulls and not hacking what I don't understand, because I don't believe I said anything about those. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] . Probably should have just kept my mouth shut about Amato though, he's pretty untouchable around here!!

Sean · 06-25-2001, 08:44 AM

Thanks, Chnookie - and no, that wasn't pointed at you. Actually it was destined for an entirely different thread... Sigh... I didn't sleep well enough I guess.

birdhunter · 06-25-2001, 08:47 AM

I hardly think Chnookie is hacking what he doesn't understand. While his point was just that he would prefer to see more than just STS, and the ff thing was a side note, I will go off on a tangent.

There are those of us who grew up fishing (w/ flies and w/out) long before A River Runs Through It came out. Believe me, plenty more people out there prefer drowning worms to whipping the water w/ flies. There is a strong counter-culture that has arisen in the face of purist attitudes and tweed wearing fly-gurus. We may not be as vocal, but there are plenty of us out there who enjoy fishing w/ bait and are getting increasingly ****** off w/ the fly only regs designed to let weekend warriors have a chance to get into a big fish their lack of skill might otherwise prevent.

I for one know how to fly fish but don't for the simple fact that I don't want to be associated w/ the sport. I'm not about to get into an argument about the merits or superiority of one form of fishing over another, but I am too digusted w/ the fly geeks and their purist notions to want to have any desire to be associated with them at all. There exsists an unspoken attitude of superiority and godliness inherent to some fly-fishermen that I want no part of. I should say that my opinions stem from several bad encounters w/ purist fly-fishermen and do not reflect all fly-fishermen. I'm sure that there are some good ones out there...somewhere. I like to catch lots of fish and I also like to eat them. If that makes me the devil in their book, so be it. I couldn't be happier knowing that just my presence ****** off all the right people.

Tweedy, Izzac Walton quoting, urban entomologists as a sign of the times? I sure hope not.

Backlash2 · 06-25-2001, 08:47 AM

Boy, for some people there is never enough [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Do you realize that the market available for someone to make any money publishing a magazine only about NW salmon and steelhead fishing is very limited? That is why you don't see fifteen magazines all on this subject, the money is not there to support it. NW Fishing Holes is trying, but lag far behind STS.

I don't agree with everything Amato and STS take stands on, either, but for the most part they are right on the mark.

As far as books go, again look at the numbers. Most publishers would laugh at the thought of publishing books(a lot of them mini-books) that only sell as many copies as the books Amato publishes.

While most issues are good reads, and then can go out with the garbage, every once in a while there is an issue that is full of great articles that apply directly to you and me, and are treasures that should be laminated for multiple references several years from now.

Look at it from another angle.

If there was no STS, would you be happier or sadder than you are right now??? At least you have a baseline to start from right now, without it, you would have even more reason to pee in everyone else's Wheaties... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-25-2001, 09:00 AM

Opinions! That is all it is. When I was to submit an article to Nick about Trolling for Kings in the salt or pulling plugs on the river he has always had no problem with that. He is very open minded and fair but I must say since I am not a fly fisherman per say (It would only take you a few seconds watching me to agree [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ) I relate more to what I do and that is down rig for kings in the Salt and drift boat them on the Smith, Chetco, Elk, Sixes and Rogue. The East Coast articles are fun to read and compare to how we do things out West. My favorite way to fly fish is attach it to my down rigger hahahaha that is fun. The fly rodders hate that!

Master Baiter · 06-25-2001, 09:21 AM

My original statement does not stem from a lack of understanding of FF. I dislike the purist attitude of most FF guy. BUt even more so, I have walked up to a slot where FF'ers had whipped the water all day to no avail and then I show up and hook three fish in the first few casts. They are often, NON-FACTORS, just locking up good water with the wrong technique. FF has its places but few of them are for Salmon or Winter Steelhead.

Case In Point:
I rowed up on a fly guy on a small coastal river last winter. As I approached, the guy got all bent out of shape because he had been targeting this one steelhead all morning. I was rowing along his bank (opposite were the drift was) and he wanted me to hold or get out and walk my boat. I told him that I was no rookie on the sticks and that the best thing I could for him was too keep on rowing quietly past rather than go stomping through the water. I also told him that if he hasn't gotten that fish all morning that he was not going to get it! So since he made such an issue we pulled over and got out with the bait. Hooked a nice fish first cast upstream of him! While we landed the fish, he slipped into our spot and took over.

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Osprey · 06-25-2001, 12:22 PM

****** [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] *********
Silent Approach Jigs

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WiggleWart · 06-25-2001, 01:28 PM

Hey RT, I was kinda wondering, if you are the one who is supposed to be writing the column in STS, how come you are getting everyone else to write the columns for you? Is it because you don't have the knowledge to do the column yourself? I have noticed that you have done alot of asking on the bulletin boards for data for your book too.
I recently visited some long time friends in Oregon,who have been guides since the 80's, and mentioned you, nobody knew you at all They said "Steve Who?" [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Sean · 06-25-2001, 01:38 PM

FYI - my "hacking what you dont understand" comment was meant for a different thread - sorry to all.

Hey Master - are you any less of a purist in your ardent devotion to your hardware? I agree that there are places that are suited to flies, and places better suited to bait or metal, and as a fly fisher only, jealous of your fish-catching ability, I know enough to stay away from the hardware-only water as much as possible.

I am only a fly fisher because I find it more personally interesting (and challenging) than any of the other methods. NOTICE I SAID PERSONALLY. I do enjoy the study and work involved as well. I do not do it because I think it is the best way, or the only "right" way, and I have no respect for those that cant tell the difference, or associate a "class" or "status" with any method.

There are great spots for us all to fish, and plenty of room as far as I am concerned, and we can all agree that there are jerks on either side of the river.

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Master Baiter · 06-25-2001, 01:58 PM

Sean, I am not a purist of any form. I will adapt to what ever is going to keep my rod bent the most! If it was FF then I would be an FF'er. I do not mind fishing around them at all as long as they are willing to share. Besides, I like showing them what it looks like to actually catcha fish! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] J/K But, that story I told is just one of many with the same ending. I did not mean to insinuate that all FF'er are that way but there sure are alot of them out there giving FF'ers a bad rap. Nothing PERSONAL dude! [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Hey WW, What is your major malfunction? That flame was totally uncalled for! You should get a chance to know someone before calling foul. RT has alot of respect around these parts.

[WE NOW RETURN THIS THREAD BACK TO ITS REGULARLLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING, SORRY FOR MY DIGRESSION!]

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DanS · 06-25-2001, 02:09 PM

Boy,

Some people would **** and moan if they were hung with a new rope. If you don't agree with the Amato point of view, then just say so. You know, STS, isn't just a clever name. It's a mag that covers angling for Salmon, Trout, and Steelhead. Whether that angling is chucking spoons in BC, or floating a 1/32 oz jig for Great Lakes steelhead isn't that important. Nobody fly fishes for steelhead? Then why shouldn't it be covered?

A monopoly, huh? That's funny. Maybe you should call the DOJ and see if Ashcroft will bring an anti-trust suit against them. I hardly think Amato uses monopolistic tactics to secure his spot in the publishing world.

I think this must be a Monday thing. Nobody could astually think STS is a monopoly and that they are responsible for the elitist attitudes of some fly-guys, could they? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-25-2001, 03:21 PM

Oops. Like I said, should have kept my mouth shut. OK first: Backlash - I do realize that the reason Amato is the only publisher of small books is precisely because the market is small. Same goes for STS, and I believe I said as much in the replies, if I didn't I should have. I really didn't come on to "**** in anyones Wheaties", just to provide a little of the other point of view, which I should have kept to myself.
I did not mean to imply that Amato has tried to create or maintain a monopoly, only that he is in fact the only show in town. This is because of the small market, but doesn't change the fact that folks that are the only show in town generally don't have to be as responsive to their customers. That was my point. There is nothing evil or wrong about it, just the way it is. The same goes for the boat ramps at the Fishery, and we all know how folks feel about that. But they are the only show in town, and people keep going there. If I had a MAJOR problem with Amato, I wouldn't buy his publications. Fact is, I have and do buy them.

I apologize for bringing this up at all folks. I should've known better.
And DanS, yeah, I guess people will always complain. Hell, we had thousands screaming and griping about how few they got to keep of the record run of chinook we had on the Columbia, so it's pretty obvious we fishermen are good at our ********. Seems like a lot of it goes on on this board lately and I'm sorry I contibuted to furthering the problem instead of helping solve it. (hangs head in shame).

Now I have to go to the store and get the latest issue of STS.

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boater · 06-25-2001, 05:02 PM

i buy a f&h news once in awhile just to read some b-s, but i think all these books are to full of add`s and most, not all of the articals are just pushing someone`s product.

Jeffhead · 06-25-2001, 05:22 PM

Hey Wigglewart,
Why don't you get your head out of your a$$, open your eyes and read what RT typed!!! He is writing a regular colum and will have in addition to what he is writing, guests doing short specific pieces on different types of techniques. You ever fish with Steve??? Do you know what his background and fishing knowledge are??? Why don't you get to know someone before you just slam him in gee what is this your 5th post on Ifish?!?!?! From what I have seen of you over at Bob's that your "no class" style anyway. To me it's more like wigglewart who??? Catch my drift!!!

rob allen · 06-25-2001, 05:45 PM

I personally don't buy STS anymore.
The last one I bought had an article about sturgeon fishing. It mentioned that crappie was an excellent bait. Using gamefish including Crappie as bait in the state of Washington is illegal!!

Nick Amato and Bill Herzog may be able to catch fish but they keep writting the same articles over and over and personally I think the magazine compared to what it was in the 1970's and 80's is fair at best. I guess thats ok though because by that same comparison the fishing is only fair at best now.

A real shame is the fact that Amato's fly fishing magazine is just as bad!
I am sorry but atricles about recycled hatchery steelhead and fishing chironomids under an indicator in a lake is more boreing than watching paint dry.
STS is just barely a step above hunting and fishing news. I guess maybe I am too opinionated and should just say that I don't care for their magazines anymore.

Only Wild Steelhead matter
rob

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WiggleWart · 06-25-2001, 06:56 PM

Jeffhead, I was asking a ligitimate question based of what I have read of what RT has said about himself on this bulletin board. I was hoping that RT could answer that for me.
For your information, I have never made any posts on Bobs bulletin board, I have never registered there, and rarely visit his site, so you obviously have me mistaken for someone else. Sorry to burst you bubble [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Thumper · 06-25-2001, 07:09 PM

Guilty here! I called Metolius trout weenies mainly to hassle Jennie. Besides, I tried to catch them and couldn't, and that really P.O.ed me.

As for STS, I am a subscriber and would love the magazine if only they would hire an editor. The content may be great, but the King's English really suffers. The articles by Captain Armand DeSomethingorother really badly need basic third-grade editing. Can it really be that hard to edit these short, simple articles. RT --- I know that your articles (and Scott's) will be well-edited because you write so well to start with.

06-25-2001, 07:09 PM

Legitimate question my a$$ Wigglewart! you just want to question the integrity of RT. So who are these guide friends of your? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Stew

DanS · 06-25-2001, 07:11 PM

rob allen,

Can you point me to the page and paragraph in the 2001/2002 WDFW regs that prohibits using game fish for bait?

Thanks

Thumper · 06-25-2001, 07:11 PM

Hey, RT has been guiding since before many of you were born. Uhhh, I guess that is a compliment.

06-25-2001, 07:55 PM

Thanks Thumper - I think [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] . Jack (Thumper) was one of the ifishers that showed up at the Wind River cleanup on the 16th. He told me he and friends went on a guided fishing trip in my sled with me on the Clackamas in the 80's, and we got a boatload of winter steelhead. Thanks for the memories Jack. ...

I tried to ignore your post WW, but it came back like a mother-in-law does. If you access the early to mid-80's STS issues (back issues available) you will see my ads in the guide section. I also worked as a guide for Pete Peterson and his Tillamook area Guide Shop in the early 80's until I built up my business to a full-time clientel. It helped biz that I won my share of the "most fish at the ramp" contest many times. When I won the "cracker of the day" contest I just pretended we had already cleaned our fish [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] . Naah, I faced that occassional music just like all guides do. As for my knowledge base, you can use the search feature to access many of my hundreds of tech posts and answered question posts to see if I measure up to your high standards. Most here (and that's a lot of good fishermen) seem to think I do. As for the tech given by some expert fishing friends in my column, let's just say I will be batting cleanup. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

RT

WiggleWart · 06-25-2001, 08:03 PM

Thankyou for your reply RT [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
I was beginning to think everyone that answered on your behalf had changed their names to RT [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

rob allen · 06-25-2001, 08:14 PM

Dan S. I am totally shocked.. It's not in the reg book anymore it was for years and years.. maybe it is ok to use crappie now.

GBSkunk · 06-25-2001, 08:17 PM

I agree with Rob that STS is not the magazine it once was. When Frank was the the editor it was a class act. And it came out every month. Now there are articles about salmon fishing with your pants down. I should probably just shut up like Chinookie said.....saying anything negative about Nick here is kind of taboo. But his ideas on hatcheries suck and he uses STS to voice his opinions on what fisheries managers should do.

That being said, I still buy the magazine. Some of my friends write for it and there is still a lot of good info.

Jeffhead · 06-25-2001, 08:42 PM

WW,
I apologize for the oversite on the reference to the WW on Bob's board. However you definately hit a hot button about a friend who has taught me a tremendous amount about river fishing here in the NW. I am not one to usually react with a return slam to someone (very, very few of all of my posts have been that way). I guess the way that I should have phrased it to you was that maybe you should have done a little homework and used the search feature to figure out who he really is and how extensive his knowledge runs before you asked a "legitimate question". How long have you been reading this board??? The way it came across to me and others (obviously) was as a personal attack without much of a knowledge base about the subject matter, in other words a big slam.
Good luck and tight lines, Jeff [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

WiggleWart · 06-25-2001, 09:06 PM

Jeffhead, I have been reading the posts on this bulletin board for at least a couple of years now, but only registered my name this year, but don't post much. My grandkids show me how to do it when they visit.
I have seen too many posts here where some go getting upset by what is said,when it aint got nothing to do with them, its water off a ducks back to me, so no worries [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Youre a bigger man than most here, thanks for the apology, even though I didn't expect one [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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FEAR NO FISH! · 06-25-2001, 09:12 PM

HEY RT,
Let me know when you have room for an article on night fishing for steelhead and salmon. It is kind of my specialty. I just bought a dozen of the new litefish(kwikfish knockoff) with the red light in the tail. That lure should prove to be armageddon on the species this fall. The vortex is the old standby but that new kwiky will really slay em. I will be curing up some of those giant prawns and using slices for the wraps. I am ssshhhhaaaking as I type. I look forward to your tips! I almost forgot, wazzats (lighted spin and glos) and the bigger litefish with green light for the Chinookies, anchored up below Bonneville. Hurry up Bush and send me my money, I want that new Lowrance X-15!
The anticipation of the coming seasons is killing me.
Do downriggers work better for the salmon at Buoy 10 or should I invest in a bunch of Delta divers? Would the flasher connected to the downrigger be the way to go with the herring above and behind it or does the current cook to fast for that? Oh yea STS ROCKS! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

06-25-2001, 10:00 PM

FNF,

Anyone with a good article idea should contact STS via www.amatobooks.com about it. If there is interest in your idea then they have writers submit an article rough draft and either accept or reject it - like all magazines. I think your idea is a good one. The night fisheries in Washington are under-utilized. ...

The tech pieces from others I will use in my column don't amount to articles, but rather a few paragraphs about a specific seasonal fishing method for salmon and steelhead (with name & biz credits included). That leaves me some paragraphs to write about my techs. ...

As for the downriggers at Bouy 10, I would be leary of using those with such thick crowds of boats and fish because I think you will wind up with fish on lines getting wrapped around your cables. Besides, the better tasting cohos strike faily shallow so the divers or cresent sinkers should be best to use in my opinion (the Columbia fall 'nooks just don't taste as good as the coastal fall 'nooks - my opinion only). If you want to target the 'nooks with your DR's I suggest fishing further up by bouy 14 or up below the bridge toward the Washington side ('Church Hole' area)- fishing about 24' deep give or take, depending on the river depth where you are fishing.

RT

06-25-2001, 11:31 PM

"Tweedy, Izzac Walton quoting, urban entomologists as a sign of the times? I sure hope not". Hey Birdhunter, relax; the world isn't going to pop out of an L.L. Bean catalog anytime soon. Nor is STS magazine. I've talked to Nick quite a bit about his mag recently and he has STS sights set on more conventinal gear fishing tech. I will be part of that scenario with a new column in STS, called The Reel Truth. It will focus mostly on gear tech for fishing during the season going on when an issue comes out. I will also be having guest experts do short pieces specific to their expertise in my column, along with the tech I will write about. It starts in the Aug./Sept. issue in which I will feature jig expert Mark Anderson for jig fishing tech; and I will be covering a lot of general low water tech for summer steelhead fishing. In the Oct./Nov. issue I have both Scott Amerman (doing a piece on egg curing tech and tidewater fishing tech) and Joe "Superfly" Superfisky doing a tech piece on float fishing eggs up the river in faster water. I will cover other fall 'nook techs that they don't. I have Oly Pen guide Bob Ball lined up to do a piece on winter steelhead centered on NW Washington fishing; and I will do a like piece on Oregon steelhead techs that he doesn't cover. Hopefully this column will help with the conventional gear fishing methods that many of you have expressed to STS that you want more of - along with the timely articles of each issue. ...

Hey Dave, I will have to go back and dig out last fall's Oct./Nov. issue to re-read your article. I have an article in the same issue about fishing tech evolution for Tillamook area fall chinooks. I hope we get a better run there this year! Thanks for your input.

Steve (RT)

Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-26-2001, 05:23 AM

Hey guy: The articles sound great, to make Nicks job just abit easier include photo support. What do I use for kings and Coho, I am one of the lucky ones who is on Pro Staff for O'ki Tackle (Flashers and Dodger) Nothing rweally beats a dodger and herring at 1 to 2.5 knots for kings usually about 1.7 and 2 to 3.5 knots for silvers (coho salmon). I do vary my speed regularly to trigger extra bites. Zigging ang zagging is also helpfull on indecisive fish simply due to the fact that when you zig zag or make your turns you have two different baits running at two different speeds. Countless times I have hooked up on kings on the inside rod when turning. This flasher and bait slowed down and dropped. Flashers can be trolled 2 to 4 knots. Plastic flashers down to 1.5. For chinook try a white or green squid/ Hoochie at 22" behind a size 1 dodger. Use at least 30# test maxima ultragreen leader and 20# mainline. A superior lure to put behind a chrome dodger is a "Grand Slam Bucktail Fly" produced by Grahm Owens (425) 235-1696 with epoxy head, mylar, glow, the works. Grahm: http://members.apl.com/grnslmbuck This fly also works 36" behind a flasher.
Hooken to the bone buddy !
Dave

Osprey · 06-26-2001, 06:04 AM

Congrats WW you know you did ....wrong when Big Jeff tells you so [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Crappie for Sturgeon bait ROCKS!!! hated to see it in STS......but Oh well secrets never last forever....do they M. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 06:54 AM

Rob -- Gamefish used to be illegal in Oregon too. Until 5 years ago or so when they revamped the regs in an attempt to make them less complicated. Among other things, stuff like barbless hook requirements (except sturgeon) got dumped, and the gamefish thing. Now the only real requirement here is that you bait still has to be dead, but apparently, it can be gamefish. We have a code about not "wasting" gamefish, but I don't think that includes use as bait. I was ready to stop buying STS because of that and a few other things, as well, till I re-read the regs.

The comments about the editing in STS are right on. It's only marginally better than FH News. Did anyone see the front page headline 6 mos or so ago that said "Tracing Umpqua Steelhead with radio tags"?....DOH. OK, "Tracing" makes some sense, but I'm pretty sure they meant "Tracking". Pretty big screw up for the front page of a bi-monthly magazine. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

FEAR NO FISH! · 06-26-2001, 07:27 AM

Hey Chnookie,
Why would you stop reading a magazine
just because they gave a tip about
using a possible illegal bait? This is
WAR! Its us against the fish! I say,
whatever it takes to whip their
buttocks. Can I say that here?
Goldfish for walleyes, kittens for
sturgeon, Emus for RT, Pilars for
Heyall! Just got off graveyard and am
feeling my oats! Bring on the FISH! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-26-2001, 07:43 AM

I said I almost stopped BUYING it. I could still steal it and READ it..... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Oregon Angler Magazine · 06-26-2001, 07:54 AM

Sturgeon, I use to head up the Columbia way every year for several weeks with Salvator Romeo (who invented Atomic Strike Sardine scent back in the 60's)to fish sturgeon ( Before the had the Size Limit) Back then we use to fish in 8 to 15 foot of water and use to slam some BIG fish. Are the conditions up there still the same or do you have to go deeper. We always used Shad or shrimp.