I don't wanna get drafted

Pilar · 06-19-2001, 08:59 AM

I have a suggestion for anyone wishing to make a 'Political statement' here on Ifish.

Try using wry wit. Try using your original registered name. I have to figure that anyone who wont sign their post with their 'reel' name is being dishonest anyway.

There are a few here who rarely post but display stunning craftmanship. They can pretty much say what they want because of the power of their writing. There are ways to be sarcastic without being profane or overly insulting. The very best insult goes right over the victims head. Crusty comes to mind as does Bait of Eggs, RT and some others. Some of their posts make you say Hhhhmmmmmmm.......

A cheap hack at someone is just that. So if you are disgruntled and come back registered as some phony new guy just to make a cheap hack, well what did you expect?

Nobody wants to get drafted into the thought police, I sure as hell dont. I think Mark (Fishing Mission) is just tired of standing at the front of the classroom yelling "class, class, class, shutttttuuuppppppp!!!!!!!!"

You know, like sister Mary Elephant.

There are a lot of intelligent, thoughtful people reading this board every day. Prove it! Post something that is not merely an insulting cheap shot. Post something thought provoking. I dare you!

Or go fishing, take pictures, post them and brag about it. Isn't that why you are here?
Or even better teach the rest of us something about fishing. Something that only you know ......

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 06-19-2001, 09:11 AM

I think Mark was just ****** because since Stew stepped down as moderator, he had to step up and start working.

The best insult on this board is one in which the victim gets to read, but that usually doesn't happen since they get yanked so quickly.

So now the board policy is if I want to insult someone, I can be witty about it and the post will not be deleted?

What happened to antifish's syrupy pancake post then? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] That seemed very low key to me and to the point.

I miss the pictures and braggin' rights. Someone post a picture and brag. You don't have to say where you caught it at. I just want to see who it will **** off and how long that post will last.

and that is $.02 worth.

Osprey · 06-19-2001, 10:02 AM

[B[It's ok to have opinions just don't post them[/B] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] .........Os [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Pilar · 06-19-2001, 12:25 PM

The bend refers to the stress test of a one piece graphite rod by a escaping fish. Nothing shines like graphite right before it goes *pop****.

Keep the rod bent and catch the fish =>

Bait O' Eggs · 06-19-2001, 12:34 PM

Geees... why bother utilizing some hack at somebody with a 2nd name. Redneck will at least say what he thinks with his reel name, for that I give him credit. He has been moderated probably more than anybody, but then again he should excell at something. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

And our peace love and fishing moderator has it right if you got a political statement to make, make it subtle. Dont whine and complain if you dont like the rules. This aint no goverment run program that will fold every time somebody thinks they need special rights. The rules are posted, if you dont like it, tough.

Remember subtle is the key for a successful political post. (what does the first letter from the first 6 words of this post spell)

A little gossip over RT's emu (that spells loser I think) [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

FishinMission · 06-19-2001, 12:58 PM

I'm not ****** that Stew stepped down and I had to start working....I'm ****** that the select few that are out there want to continue stirring the "pot" so to speak. To those that do...well..I'd suggest they attend the "Northwest Culinary Institute"...and they can stir pots all day long...and even be constructive while they're doing it!! Obviously..they need somthing to do with their time.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 06-19-2001, 01:15 PM

I still would like to know why antifish's post got removed. Stirring the pot, big f'n deal. It's the doings that have made many people disappear whom could have really surprised y'all at who they were in real life. Now I want you to guess which 2 celebs I'm talking about and their monikers aren't that simple. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I agree, rules are rules, but why is there a gray area one day and a black and white day the next? Could it just be "someone's " mood swings?

06-19-2001, 01:37 PM

Bait,understand someones humor! But let's only worry sometimes [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] It the first nine you have to worry about Roy.
Stew

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06-19-2001, 02:57 PM

The post I put in Stew's other obscure thread probably belongs here. Pilar dared us to make a thought provoking post. Since I have put up more fishing tech info than anyone on here, I will take you up on your dare Pilar. Voila:

I've always thought that heated threads on ifish have been relatively civil - at least compared to many other BBs of all kinds - and an inevitable part of public disussion forums. Here they have usually been a boon to stimulating sportfishers to action against fishing political agendas that are not fair. And the heated ones about the course of the ifish ship have brought out many rightful opinions which can lead to a consensus of what direction the majority of members would like to go here, IF they weren't deleted when not in line with the very original ifish agenda. It's that agenda that is really at ground zero with these controversies, not the unrealistic new Agreement Rules (which are actually goals to aspire to with any and all public forums - and why some "inside" ifish members are allowed to break these "rules" while others are not). And this is a fishing related issue because this is a fishing discussion board that gets active in fish enhance projects, if we can keep it together here. If this BB is a "community", as it's refered to by it's queen, then the leaders should not be telling the members to shut up or we'll shut your mouth for you; especially since it often isn't warranted at all! Sometimes it is warranted and that's fine with most of us when it is. But I no longer recognize a community here - it's become a monarchy.

Edit: Spare us the 'you can leave if you don't like the monarchy' bit; we know that. Just go read the "Can't get me over here ifish moderators" thread by Antifish (which is NOT me - verifiable) on the PiscatorialPursuits BB to read several uncensored thought provoking posts about these issues. If you dare [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img] . Thanks for the courageous offer of allowing us our thoughts Pilar.

RT

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Pilar · 06-19-2001, 03:57 PM

Hi RT, you've been thinking again. I guess for every large group of people there are conspiracy theories. There is no conspiracy, there are no 'inside' members. You are giving the day to day workings of this board way too much credit for organization.

What happens is a very small minority of posters test the limits of taste and the moderators patience.

I hate to use the word PC but that is what is going on here. You of all people, RT should know how hard it is to be even handed. Time and time again I come here to read about fishing and end up reading stuff that makes me wonder if we're still thinking fish here at Ifish. I sit on my hands and resist the urge to 'Moderate'. After all if it is boring or off topic, the majority of our readers will ignore the post and it will go away.

The bit about 'Class, shutup!' is a way of saying this is all taking on a surreal tone.

I've never seen so much ******** and backbiting anywhere short of a navy chowline the first day at sea ...... Isn't our common interest the water and the tasty things that swim in it? Lets stay on topic, shall we?

Personally I hate editing posts. After all we're talking about someones thoughts here. Editing someones post is like reaching into thier head and scooping out some brains.

Monarchy? hardly! Anarchy, that's more like it. BTW the emperor is wearing no clothes.

OR Coast Range · 06-19-2001, 04:13 PM

mmmmm, braaaaains.

Thumper · 06-19-2001, 04:16 PM

So how come you critical folks are still here? 'Tis a free country. The owner of the site sets the rules. If you don't like it, vote with your feetsies.

Smily · 06-19-2001, 06:59 PM

I don't wanna get drafted,
I don't wanna go

I don't want nobody to shoot me
in the Foxhole [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Or that's sister get shot in the Fox hole,
Any body remember Zapa?

boater · 06-19-2001, 07:02 PM

i come here to read "RT"`s posts, i realy think he could be a speech writer for jimmy swaggar

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OneLastCast · 06-19-2001, 08:35 PM

Yeah Smily:

I'm goin to Montanna gonna grow me some dental floss..

Is that a Sears poncho or is that a real Poncho

Ram it, Ram it, Ram it .......

Here I stand in my leisure suit, I jingle my change but I look real cute...

Yeah, I remember Zappa
OneLastCast

06-19-2001, 08:38 PM

Isn't that Swaggert, Boater? He already has a speech writer - remember "Oh Lord I've sinned against you and my followers [cry hard right at this point Jimmy - that'll get 'em]. If you send me more money I can get after the Lord's work even 'harder' while rectifying for my sins. Send your checks to .....". Heck, if I was his writer at the time he got caught with his pants down in the hotel room his speech might have gone something like this ..."Oh Lord, all know you work in mysterious ways, and you have chosen to endow me with a heavy burden of testosterone overdose. I know you are omnicient in wisdom and plan for us in your way, so there must be a reason you guided me into that little hotel room of the flesh. I know ye works in mysterious ways oh Lord. I won't question your ways. So, when's the next hot babe gonna be coming my way?" - Jimmy

Steelheader69 · 06-19-2001, 11:24 PM

I've taken thumper's advice awhile ago and rarely come back here. I come back only to see if RT, Os, Yall, or a few other of my friends have posted anything interesting and reply in kind. Most of their work is on Bob's nowadays. But it's funny how petty people can be with the "just leave" speech. Shows the level of maturity and the true size of their brainpans.

I feel this isn't a community anymore. It's more of a dictatorship, in line with the ****'s. Anyone who knows history can figure out the roles of dictatorship and the onslaught of commands on their people/"community". I have never hidden behind a moniker and have always spoke my mind. Yet, I have been slammed by others for doing so (which I'm sure I will for this post). I've posted alot more logical and helpful info then I have "slam" posts. Yet I'm perceived as only "********" and having nothing useful to say.

By the way, who in the world is Peace, love, and fishing and who the heck is fishinmission? They're good at talking the talk but can they walk the walk? I can say alot more, but RT and Yall has pretty much summed it all up.

ol tuna skipper · 06-19-2001, 11:25 PM

Ok Johnboy. The sister mary elephant comment gave you away, and you didn't change your signature. By the way, what is the bend. you old deadhead you. Peace, love and fishing is and appropriate name for a moderator. I like it.

PS. Jeff M. is building a jetboat for his launch from the clackamas. Give him a call.

PW from OATC

Pilar · 06-20-2001, 06:08 AM

Hi Steelheader69, its Pilar here. Sometimes I wonder who I am reading when I read 'George Orwell' or 'Hemingway' or other mystery posters. That was my subtle point #1. Make you wonder who 'Peace, Love, Fishing' was. I did not change my signature and that was a major hint. Was getting really sick of the complaining so I changed my tag. Tried to pour oil on the waters.

Thank you for airing your greivances.

Yes, Frank Zappa was never above using clever wit to make his point. He picked up any sword thrown down by anyone, anytime. Using his 'I don't wanna get drafted' was subtle point #2.

Hey Yall, I don't know who nixed 'Antifish'. I think it was Jen. Maybe you should E-mail her and ask about it. Maybe 'Antifish' should belly up to the bar and order something besides **** and vinegar. How about it 'Antifish', got any stones? Who are you anyway? Hiding behind your disgruntled tagname really deprives you of any credibility. Make your legitimate gripe if you have one.

BTW Mike, thanks for removing your cartoon. It was over the line and you finally let your conscience guide you and did the right thing. No one had to 'dictate' you or erase your post but you corrected yourself. That's got to be a first.

So does anyone else have a sword to throw down? Lets go. Its hard to hate something once you understand it.

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THE REEL HEY_YALL · 06-20-2001, 07:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>BTW Mike, thanks for removing your cartoon. It was over the line and you finally let your conscience guide you and did the right thing. No one had to 'dictate' you or erase your post but you corrected yourself. That's got to be a first. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do I need to pull out and post all the posts that I've personally edited out of over 1,000 posts?

Ummm, the conscience was not the guide, dude. It's the fact that some areas are gray and some areas are black and white, and I figured yesterday was a black and white day. They're getting easier to pattern so I removed it myself to keep one of you from overdosing on your chill pills. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Pilar · 06-20-2001, 07:39 AM

No get it right. The light came on and the roaches scattered. Being a 'Bama boy you know all about roaches. I will not delete any more of your edgy posts. I will however highlight them and embarrass you into editing them.

I must admit that some of your humor is quite funny. Being on the edge adds to this without a doubt. Having said that, remember this is not a brothel or tavern with sawdust and peanut shells on the floor.

It is Jennies playhouse. She sets the rules. You know the rules as demonstrated by your expertise in dancing at the edge of them.

Nuf said. Now tell us a fish story redneck. If you know any. When was the last time you caught a fish anyway? (Not a bass)

bait boy · 06-20-2001, 07:41 AM

Moooooooo

Master Baiter · 06-20-2001, 08:14 AM

Pilar,

It sounds like one of your major gripes is that some topics are not about fishing. When you are out fishing with your buddies, is the converstaion always about fishing the entire time? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Thomas
MB

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Pilar · 06-20-2001, 08:33 AM

I know that a lot of people that come here are looking for the hot fishing tip or story, lurkers and posters. That's where I started. Lately it seems like less fishing and more bellyaching and malcontents.

We talk about all kinds of stuff in the boat. Most of it is unprintable and definitely not for the thin skinned. I wouldn't post most of it here. Some things are just not for public consumption. Ifish is kind of like the VHF marine radio. Watch what you say because you never know who's listening.

Off fishing topic stuff is ok but should never replace the basic thing we all crave. I really liked the music thread. It made me dig out my old vinyl collection to see if I had any of those guys.

BTW its never about what the referees think anyway, its about the 1200 or so people who spend time and effort posting here. All of you make this place what it is. Thank you for sharing what you know.

Post whatever you want within reason and good taste. Fishing topics are preferred. **** links and potty humor are not. Go to Jennies place and look at all of the 'Fish' stuff she has collected. There is a theme here. It is what we all have in common.

Would you want your Mom to read it? That's where Jennie is coming from. Its her party after all.

Ask yourself that and then hit 'Add Reply'

Master Baiter · 06-20-2001, 08:48 AM

My mom would not apply here, she can dish it out as well as anyone else, not thin skinned! DON'T YOU BE TALKIN BOUT MY MAMA! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

It seems contradictory to say that we make this site and that it is a family but then turn around and say it belongs to just one person, the owner, and what they say goes. "Big Brother is Watching"

I do not advocate ****, potty humor, foul language, racism or flaming but everything else should be left alone as long as it does not have ANY of those factors STRICTLY. All of those desired topics you mentioned are still here along with a FEW digressions. As has been stated those digressions go away quickly if the populous is not interested. Some membres seem to get offended just because there is a sentence in the topic list that does not interest them, DON'T CLICK on it then, there are hundreds of others for you, you do not need to deprive others because you are ****** that you had to read the name of a topic of no interest to you!

The edits and post deletion is getting way out of hand! Who is making those decisions, I do not believe that it is a majority of members voting but rather a few individuals taking thin-skin offense.

I have kept quiet and stayed out of this but when is enough going to be enough! Maybe moderator guidelines need to be developed?

Thomas

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sinker · 06-20-2001, 10:04 AM

The neat thing about message boards on the internet is the ability to meet people with similar interests that you otherwise wouldn't.
We are all here because we have a common interest, fishing.
How many people have become good friends after finding out that they have similar interests other than fishing? The only way to do this is topics which aren't thread related. There's a ton of people out there that love fishing as much as I do but I couldn't fish with them due to the fact that we have nothing else in common. Can you imaging what a crappy board it would be if we couldn't make friends and find others with similar interests.
Meeting people and making friends, isn't that what fishing and life is all about???

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THE REEL HEY_YALL · 06-20-2001, 10:05 AM

You know Pilar, you once were cool, but you have really lost a lot of luster in the eyes of many. It's not the editing or the deleting that's the problem. It's your arrogant display of power.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>No get it right. The light came on and the roaches scattered. Being a 'Bama boy you know all about roaches. I will not delete any more of your edgy posts. I will however highlight them and embarrass you into editing them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The roaches scattered? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Trust me, you didn't scare them. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] Yes I know a lot about roaches, and they will be the last creatures left on this planet, long after the so-called humans deteriate into oblivion.

First and foremost chief, you couldn't embarass me. I possess a sense of humor, therefore I can laugh it off at whatever you say. JUMP!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Nuf said. Now tell us a fish story redneck. If you know any. When was the last time you caught a fish anyway? (Not a bass)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's see: cuttie on Sunday. 2 dollies, 3 *********, cuttie on Monday. Yesterday was dolphin fishing with just a hook (no bait) and landed a very nice one. Today will either be golf or steelies. Tomorrow will be the same, and Friday will be steelies.

Last time I checked, a bass was a fish, and this is a fishing forum since you like to highlight that whenever it's convenient for you.

80% of all sportfishing revenue in this country is due to the sport of bass fishing. It's those funds that allow you to rest your jig on the bottom of the ocean floor to wait on your halibut. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] It takes the same amount of skill to catch a flounder or catfish.

I hooked and lost a springer on the Wind at the cleanup, which by the way, you didn't attend....I didn't see you on either of the floatillas either for that fact.

I figured such a prominant ocean fishermen: both in WA and FL, you could have helped BiteMe with his castnet question the other day, but you went on some tangent, but you don't like it when others go on a tangent. Who by the way, helped answer his question?

I'm glad the mod squad leads by example and expertise of fishing and the board rules.

Pilar · 06-20-2001, 10:31 AM

Well alrighty then. All I had to do is kick the thin skinned redneck in the ego and get a reaction. As is typical of most bully types you can dish out but not take it back.

Specifically the cast net question was beyond my expertise. I have no idea how to throw one and haven't even seen one in 20 yrs or more. You generously assisted Biteme and for that consider yourself thanked. Unwittingly, you illustrated my point nicely. We can all have just the one thing in common and help the other fishers. It costs nothing to share what you know.

You did fix your cartoon link, yes? Can you 'splain why you did that? Or even better, why you posted it in the first place? To provoke the response and then hide behind the deleted post? Why is it that you and a few others attract so much attention from the referees?

If I wanted to show an 'Arrogant Display of Power' I would simply ban you and not explain it. As it turns out you contribute a lot to this board and most would agree you are welcome here. Wacky antics, limit testing and all.

As far as attending events go, my time is not my own. I can hardly expect a single, childless man to understand the sacrifices made by a single parent, so I won't bother explaining it to you. Check in with me after you spend a few years with teenaged offspring.

The good news is that you are willing to engage in a dialog. You seem to get in a little fishing too. Tell us about your adventures and quit trying to flip the boat over. What do you think?

BTW the bass dig is pretty much standard fare on this board. We anadromous fishers are a snobby bunch and overly proud of our unique fish species and habitat. Bass is good, it's just not the star here on the left coast.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 06-20-2001, 10:47 AM

Bully types? Please. Single parent with teenaged kids at home. I know all about it.

So the reel Pilar stands up over at Bob's, but not here? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Oh I can take whatever you can dish because so far it ain't impressive. But, you are right about anadromous guys being somewhat snobby. I guess that's why I am well-liked because I fall into both groups and I'm down with pretty much anybody.....and not one little group. And yes, you have over-displayed your power...even without banning someone. Now you tell a fish story that is most recent (no halibut [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ).

ol tuna skipper · 06-20-2001, 01:16 PM

OK, don't you guys have each others emails to air your grievences with each other, or is this discussion for the benefit of all ifishers.

Andy KAufman was a master of staged conflict. are you fella's attempting his antics. If so cool, but he was a master. It is always a guessing game to know wether you truely hate each other and would go fist to fist in public, or if you are secretly giggling when the curtain drops.

Any way I'm going to clean up my boat for the coho season. Anybody got a recipe???

[img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

fishbait · 06-20-2001, 01:42 PM

GAWD BLESS AMERICA, I sure will be glad when the coho season arrives. Seems like we are all burnt out catching springers (know I am), are not interested in Summers and the next best thing we have to do is to sit arround a ***** at each other (me included).. I think we all have way too much time on our hands and something must be done. We need to be catching so many fish our hands look like hamburger (like the do in nov), we are sleep deprived and in serious debt to our wivew/girlfriends/kids for neglecting them and barely have time to make a post letting our friends here at I fish know where they can just catch gobs of fish... Those times will come, lets get back to the real reason we all participate in this board, F I S H I N G...Sharing stories, tips, suggestions and lies, alright, ready, set go, who is fishing this weekend and where. Tell me about your plans, share you dreams................Fishbait

sinker · 06-20-2001, 03:39 PM

C'Mon Pilar!!!! If this was someone else, you who yields the almighty power would be hollering to carry this on in private e-mails. It doesn't bug me, I find it entertaining!!!
What bugs me is when people don't abide by the rules that they are enforcing!!!!
Getting pretty stinky around here.

Pilar · 06-20-2001, 03:49 PM

OK so I got sucked in. The discussion continues by E-mail. Point well taken. I guess my disgust level pegged out. The previous attempts to deal with acting out/protests failed miserably so I tried a new approach which, guess what also failed miserably.

There is a considerable amount of complaining going on about the percieved as rigid 'Ifish Discussion Board Agreement'. I am determined not to take sides. I must say that the ******** all started when we took the common sense unwritten stuff and tried to write it down for all to read and hopefully follow.

Please be patient as I consult my proctologist, he called to tell me they found my head............

OR Coast Range · 06-20-2001, 04:11 PM

You know, my dad always told me that it takes a real man to admit when he's wrong.

I guess there's an exception to every rule. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

NorthRiverS · 06-20-2001, 04:31 PM

John,
Glad to have you back as "Pilar". S
[img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Salmonator · 06-20-2001, 05:31 PM

I suggest from here on out anybody that supports ifish just ignore all this moderator bashing crap and do not respond to it... including moderators??? I've been called a buttkisser by some real bright regulars on Bob's board. I don't hang out with Jennie, FM, Pilar or Hookset (ok i've been known to hang out with Hook a few times although I rarely admit it) so I can't see any reason to kiss anyones hiney. All I know is that i'd rather have a heavily moderated ifish than no ifish at all [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Dedicating your life to the crusade against deleted posts seems about on par with someone dedicating theirs lives to releasing the minks or chaining themselves to a tree... there I said it

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OneLastCast · 06-20-2001, 06:34 PM

Salmonator:

I like your analogies.

OneLastCast

boater · 06-20-2001, 06:38 PM

salmonator, you should call pilar and get his doctor`s phone number

Mr. Fisherman · 06-20-2001, 07:34 PM

I can't believe I read the whole thing [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Can't we just fish?

Yea,

I like it! [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

SHUT UP AND FISH!

06-20-2001, 11:00 PM

Hey P,L&F did Jennie give you guys a new weapon in the war on renegades like Yall? Only she can ban people from the board. Speaking of bass Bait O' Eggs got one the other night fishing for shad, a smallmouth even.As for roaches we had them when I lived in California along with black widow spiders.
Stew

Pilar · 06-20-2001, 11:06 PM

So we get back to the point. The discussion you wish to engage in is not appropriate for this forum. That is where you are Ya'll and that is why you are the focus of the board *****.

Most recent fishing story (June 17, 2001) is all about a long hike to a zipperlip spot that featured water too low to fish. Didn't know that till I walked it. Nice walk though and awesome company. We even packed out some empty bait containers and mono left for us to find.

The rest I won't answer to. Your behavior or lack of it is self explanatory.

Stew, she's only a phone call or E-mail away.

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