Political messages don't belong here

[FishinMission]

FYI to all readers. I can't be here 24 hours a day...but when I see "Political BS" type posts here they will be deleted. Done deal. I'm just tired of this ongoing crap. Time to "moderate" I guess. There will be "crying"...but those who are posting this nonsense either arent reading the "Agreement" or are just trying to cause problems here. I have taken the liberty to delete the "New member lost in the fog" thread as it violates the agreement and is just political BS. Lets' keep away from the politics folks....my mom talked politics 100% of the time...and all I wanted to do was tell her how my fishing trip went. Post the political BS somewhere else please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phish_on]

I read the "agreement" and cannot find the prohibition or definition of "political BS"

There is this:

"Topics should be fishing related. This is a broad restriction permitting discussion of techniques, tackle, runs, genetics, legislation, charitable activities and other issues related to fishing."

Does this mean we can't post information regarding proposed legislation? Please clarify. Also please point me to the section of the "agreement" that prohibits political discussion.

Phish,

I think as long as the political discussion concerns affects on sportfishing or the environment, which affects all fishing, that is OK via the BB policies here? (just my opinion). I happened to read the lateset thread to get deleted and I think it likely got axed because it was not flattering to the policy here. Many other threads that don't strictly adhere to these policies are not axed, and I think that is what has some guys prople bothered here. The post deleted was a copy of HEY_YALL'S post on the Piscatorial BB under the '...can't get me here...' thread by Antifish if you are interested in 'Yall's opinion. Otherwise things are going pretty well on here in my 0.02 opinion.

RT

[WheresMyBobber]

I hope you're right RT. Legislation that affects our fisheries and environment are political in nature, but have a direct influence on the main supject we're here to discuss.

Informed and unified voices can make a difference, and it's forums like this that can help get the word out to people who may not otherwise be aware of what's happening. It can also help people learn how their voices and input can make a difference.

Although there is a definite difference in Republican VS Democrat philosophies on how to manage our fisheries and environment, the Republican VS Democrat arguments don't belong here. If we stick to the issue at hand, it is surely relevant to this BB in my opinion.

[OneLastCast]

In other words believe everything RT says and just march. Sounds like a good plan. Of course we can stay totally informed hearing only one side. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]


Uh oh!!

Read quick this is going to be deleted.

OneLastCast

[Phunybonz]

Hey Mr. Mission,
Are you not getting any or what?!Why must you come here and tell us the post you are deleting. Why not just DO IT and be done with it.Folks will figure it out or do you need for everyone to know its you? I am not here to watch you push your weight around. Who do you think you are anyway? I might suggest you do a little reading on conflict management, because your present approach SUCKS! So what your saying was, you don't like your mom because she won't listen to your fish stories? What's up with that stupid head? Turn in your badge! If you don't like political issues than don't read them. Sorry I can't elaborate on the deleted post, but you were to quick with the plunger.

[Gone Fishin]

BS???

What does that stand for???

Does THAT follow the IFISH agreement???

I really don't want to get involved in this debate, but I really enjoy this board, a lot of the people here as well.

It's getting pretty silly around here... [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

BS stands for brain-sharing. As in, the sharing of one's thoughts or ideas with others in hopes of generating open-minded debate.

There's been a lot of BS being spread in this forum recently and, while it is not implicitly stated in the ever-growing and ever-changing Ifish Discussion Board Agreement, it has been stated above that BS is not tolerated here.

The dilemma is this: there are a lot of people who frequent this board that feel that BS'ing is a way of life, and there are others who disagree with this technique of communication. These non-BS'ers are in charge of the Ifish board, and there is nothing that the BS'ers can do about it. BS'ers and non-BS'ers have claimed this place as their home, their territory. Neither appear to be able to co-exist, and the BS'ers will have to go elsewhere.

In a perfect world we could all get along. This is not a perfect world. BS'ing is better received at Bob's board. If you want to BS, go there. If you don't want to BS, then stay here.

Personally, I like BS'ing. But your mileage may vary.

Thank you, now please pull forward to the last window.

[Pilar]

Ok so I have only one question. Why are you sitting here arguing about a whole lotta nothing when you should be tying tackle for Friday's coho opener?

I went to the other site to see what the big freaking deal was. Like I said, big freaking deal!

If you dislike a certain thread, Do not post on it!It will dissapear off the end of the list and into oblivion before you can say Jack Salmon.

[Salmonator]

Hey fishing hippie, how many rigs ya gotta tie for those little 'ho's? Isn't it like 25-50 fish per mooch rig? Maybe you should quit using that blue stren, although it does match your boat nicely...

[Mrdorkfish]

Phunybonz Stop !! your killing me [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] After about 4...24..5.5's I think this is pretty funny ! Y can't we just keep it on fishing and not git into the political stuff...OR who has the biggest wake throwing over-priced....if i had it i would sell it and get a bigger house....BOAT!! Peace, Love, Fishing ....Talking about a thread falling off the face of the list...I'm hoping this one falls fast...we don't need more cry..baby ...i can't catch any fish tell the government to make it easier for me.....go to rainbow troutfarm....why is MRDORKFISH dropping out so many times......BS to waste so much web space ! No pictures...no real reports !!! WAKE UP!!

Hey...that felt pretty good [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I'm done [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Mrdorkfish
Tap! Tap! Is this thing on? OH S*#T

[ 06-18-2001: Message edited by: Mrdorkfish ]

[ 07-02-2001: Message edited by: ****** ]

Hey Marty....BS stands for BIGSTEW!!!!!!
Stew

I think I got this thread now? Phish, you were talking about actual governmental politics as it pertains to fish. 'Mission was refering to politics as having to do with policies (by definition politics is discourse over policies). So I understand what mission he was on. Does that make sense? What one sees as non-fishing related may very well be fishing related. To wit: this BB is mostly about fishing, thus anything concerning policies about this BB is related to fishing. So as I see it, the fishing BB policy that received member opinion in a thread that was deleted is indeed fishing related. Still with me? So 'Mission posting that bothersome "BS" abreviation (which EVERYONE knows stands for bulls**t) is much further out of line in accordance with the "ever growing and changing" Board Agreement than the thread he deleted! [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] BTW, aren't us long time members "grandfathered" into the original agreement when we registered? ...

And good takes GF & Fobb. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I couldn't make any sense what-so-ever with Pilar's post in this thread. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Nice new moniker though. ...

As for you my pal OLC, where in the internet world did you find any words that could be changed to your above posted "In other words believe everything RT says and just march." ?!? Huh? What a brilliant decipher statement. Not! You don't hang out with member ShureSkunk by any chance? Gee, I thought you learned your lesson not to put your foot in your mouth with baseless jabs at me. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] BTW, how's fishing been? Did you C&R more late nates than you caught during the earlier small return of hats in the N.F.? ...

Note to moderators: Please take note that I mentioned fish/fishing 12 times in this post, nates 1 time, hats (hatchery fish) 1 time, and even Phish 1 time. Certainly fishing related - and no swear words!

RT
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Confucious say "Woe be the infantiles that clicketh upon a listed topic not compatible with their soul, when they do not have to. Wise men clicketh upon topics they can understand."

[ 06-19-2001: Message edited by: RT ]

Yes RT... Master!!! What is thy bidding? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Seems to me the "spirit" of Pete's monumental undertaking of drafting the "rules and regs" have been taken too seriously! Lately I have seen nothing that merited complete deletion althought I have'nt read everything. I guess maybe my infamous "Dolphin fishing" thread got out of hand but other than some minor edits that needed to be made what's the beef? Why all of the sudden are the moderators finding it necessary to be the thought police? Am I missing something? Is Jennie getting complaints from advertisers? Hey hook,mission and pilar how about cluing us in.
Stew

[jberry]

What about frogs??????

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

I never read the lost in the fog post since time didn't allow it. What happened? RT or Stew, email me and let me know how my name got dragged into it [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

BTW - Excellent post Phish, even for a hippie [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Good to see ya posting dude.

I like frogs.

[OR Coast Range]

Your post from Bob's board was pasted into a new thread on this board. I forget who did it but he was just trying to bring up the fact the a lot of the high profile users of this board are becoming or already are unsatisfied.

[Steelheader69]

Actually RT, you're right. We should be grandfathered under the agreement for which we signed in under. When we read agreement and signed on, we accepted the RULES at hand. To change them and say "this is the way it is" is incorrect and could be considered illegal by some. It's like baitswitching. Promise you one, then give you another. Basically speaking, this is a contract. Changing the rules if fine and dandy, but should only adhere to new members from time of posting new regs.

Now, before someone says "Well if the WDFW changes the regs, it's for everyone" or "If the government makes an amendment it's for everyone" that's incorrect in this scenerio. In both those type of circumstances you don't form a contract. You are being represented by individuals YOU'VE elected to represent you on your behalf. In this scenerio, we have entered this site upon a contract/agreement with Jenny to abide by the rules set forth in agreement at hand. Basically like an exclusive club. Yet, with all clubs I know, you're grandfathered under the rules you join in at. Unless you revoke your membership then you get to keep your original rules. I'm not a lawyer, but have had a few "off the record" talks with friends who are. Not about this BB mind you, but about contracts in general. I don't see where this differs. You don't get in unless you agree to the rules.

[OR Coast Range]

Dude, get a grip Steelheader69. This is Jennie's site (as she likes to let everyone know) and she can do whatever the hell she wants with it. If she wants to kick everyone off of the registration lists she can. You can think of the new rules as being kick off the board and then resigning with the new rules. Jennie doesn't owe us a damn thing, in fact anyone who uses this board probably owes her.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

OFC - they pay her back with every post: allbeit negative or positive.

Remember, if not for the posters, the board would be nothing.

[Pilar]

And without the troublemakers the Moderators would have nothing to do [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] .

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

And if it wasn't for the troublemakers, the majority would have nothing to read before it gets removed [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Steelheader69]

OFC, you just don't get it. I was posting in response to RT's post. And yes, it's signing a legal agreement. Once a person puts legal terminology into a document that you must abide by and sign (as in our case it says hitting agree means you accept the rules) then you have a legal document. Yes, it's Jen's boat like I've said a thousand times. But when YOU set a contract you have to abide by that contract too. There was time of expiration so it's unlimited. How would you like your mortgage company to call you up and say "Hey, we're raising your mortgage to 16%". Well, it's their house until you pay it off so they have the right to do it, correct?

I think it's become way too stuffy on here. This is a fishing BB, but it's become too uptight. I know alot of you have years of experience like I do fishing, but it appears that most who run this board (not just moderators, but those who complain the most) have as much fishing experience as my kids. Oh well, back to Bobs..........

[Hookset]

Trying to figure out how the board rules changed. The rules in place today are still largely in part the same original rules. A few items are elaborated on with more detail. That is the only difference. Nothing has changed, except the tolerance level with offensive threads/posts.

People forget, there have always been offensive material posted, edited and deleted. Now, with a shift in moderators, there is less discussion on political (Ifish)incorrect post before action is taken.

Like I said, the same rules, same offending posts and same complaints. People do not like being moderated and I don't like to moderate people. Just think before posting on the intended audience and if the thread topic follows the guidlines in a positive fashion. Nothing sarcastic and nothing negative towards others. Pretty simple rules that become harder to follow for some.

We should be having fun and not regretting valuable time spent here.

hook

[ 06-20-2001: Message edited by: hookset ]

[Salmonator]

Now Hook, where would we be without a little harmless sarcasm? That would bring conversations between boater and myself to a screeeeeaming halt! (c;

[Salmonator]

Okay so i've never heard too many screaming halts, it's late. I suppose most halts screech [img]images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

[Hookset]

Good point Salmonator,

A little friendly sarcasm, sure. Except pointed sarcasm meant to hurt, no.

There is an understandable difference, the latest wave is accusing and meant to cause pain and distrust. Eroding the fabric that binds us together.

Ohhhhhhhh, I just want to fish, I just wanna go catch fish. There's a catchy tune in the making.

hook