Davis Lake Rant-a-Thon

[Queeg]

yes, now then, as I was saying ...

ehhhh

Every time we lose a native trout fishery, we lose a little of what Oregon is.

"Gear" fishing will never rid the lake of bass.

The law against illegal introduction of species will always be unenforceable. It could be a death penalty offense, and you would still never catch anyone.

I still hope to get up there and kill some bass. With a fly rod.

RANT ON!

[Jellyhead]

I can't wait to catch some fish there too, on my fly rod

Aaron

[stillwater97]

sheesh......

The sooner that ODFW treats Davis with Rotenone the better.

Anything less is rewarding bucket biologists.


Catch and Kill every bass that is caught. EVERY one you kill saves a trout.

[Herm]

Originally Posted by stillwater97

sheesh......

The sooner that ODFW treats Davis with Rotenone the better.

Anything less is rewarding bucket biologists.


Catch and Kill every bass that is caught. EVERY one you kill saves a trout.

do you honestly believe this spew?

[Pelhament]

I do.

[Two Fister]

Originally Posted by Queeg

The law against illegal introduction of species will always be unenforceable. It could be a death penalty offense, and you would still never catch anyone.

They manage to catch people responsible for illegal introductions in Montana. They recognize the inherent value of their fisheries and the excessive cost of restoring them (like more than $6 million to treat Diamond Lake). One of the things that makes the enforcement work is the reward system in place from Walleye and Northern Pike fishermens groups. Those are two species that are typically illegally introduced in Montana. The groups (Montana Walleye Fishermen and Montana Pikemasters are a couple) offer a $1,000 dollar reward for information leading to the conviction of people that illegally introduce the fish they support as they know it gives their organizations a black eye.

Any Oregon B.A.S.S. offers of a reward for people that illegally introduce bass?

Illegal introductions are illegal. I know it sounds simple, but somebody had better make certain that the folks at ODFW understand that. I'm doing my best to do so, but I think they may have stopped listening to me after a few years of it. I'll keep trying, I know others are as well and I hope some new folks will do the same.

As I've said repeatedly, I've got nothing against bass fishermen, bass fishing, gear fishing or sparkleflake boats with guys in one piece jumpsuits covered in logos. Easy now, I'm just trying to introduce a little humor.

I have everything against illegally introduced species and state agencies that don't understand that illegal is illegal.

TF

[Two Fister]

Originally Posted by Herm

do you honestly believe this spew?

Absolutely. 100%. Without question.

[Flat Lander]

Originally Posted by Herm

do you honestly believe this spew?

Yup, me too.

I know its expensive and it will probably need to be done again but ODFW needs to send the message that you can't stock your own species.

[leadeyedbugger]

Basically I agree.

I don't have anything against bass, i have lots against bass in Davis lake. Simply put they don't belong there and they screw the native fish. Native redsides and native bull trout. I won't support supplemental planting of trout if they do get rid of the bass, the the fish that belong there please. All of these other lakes and reserviors that don't have native fish, if the public wants bass there, fine with me. I enjoy fishing for bass. I fish davis lake for bass in the spring/early summer as much as anybody, but i will fight to get rid of them as i have been for a few years now.

[JustCallMeDave]

Originally Posted by Herm

do you honestly believe this spew?

Count me in as well. Managing an illegally-introduced fishery that destroys a naturally-occurring trophy fishery is like the state opening a pawn shop to help thieves fence stolen goods.

[steelie817]

Rotenone is the only way. And let's do Crane while we're at it.

[wishin]

Originally Posted by JustCallMeDave

Count me in as well. Managing an illegally-introduced fishery that destroys a naturally-occurring trophy fishery is like the state opening a pawn shop to help thieves fence stolen goods.

Holy Cow! Perfect analogy JCMD!

Bass are fine somewhere else, like some pothole somewhere. But..... my gosh what a trout fishery Davis was. Stripping in leaches in front of monster cruisers off of the lava rocks at dusk - will we ever see that again?

[wapiteaser]

Bass are for the fishermen that don't know how or can't catch a trout, steelhead, or salmon. The lazy man's fish.

[BaseCamp]

I totally agree that Bass should not be in Davis Lake. Treatment should be a viable option to remove them. However, Davis has a very good history of being supplemental stocked with at least 3 different varieties of rainbow, redband if you prefer that nomenclature. The jump start with a good supplement of either upper Deschutes, or Oak Springs Deschutes or even their very good fingerling stock would be the best option for trophy fishing I remember when I was a youngster. Odell Creek has very good spawning habitat and before you know it the fishery would be as good as when Curt Gowdy and the American Sportsman did their show there.

Basecamp

[flambeau]

I was asking my brother back Minnesota about the bass panfish movement and his good friend, a wildlife biologist had mentioned that these fish have sticky eggs that attach to wading bird's legs and can move from lake to lake on the the under carriage of the birds that haunt these waters. so if you want to get rid of the bass in davis lake all the area lakes would need to be treated!!!!

[SouthCoastStu]

And let's do Crane while we're at it.

And do away with the bag/size limits for Smallmouth on the Umpqua while we're at it. Why protect/regulate invasive species to the detriment of native stocks

[Two Fister]

Originally Posted by SouthCoastStu

And do away with the bag/size limits for Smallmouth on the Umpqua while we're at it. Why protect/regulate invasive species to the detriment of native stocks

Man, I couldn't have said it any better. The smallmouth that were planted by ODFW in the John Day in the 1960's to "see if they would take" are now spreading up into the Lower Deschutes. I've heard of smallmouths being caught as far up river as Harris.

It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle, but it doesn't mean that it can't be done or that we shouldn't try.

Dave,
That's the best analogy for the illegal introduction in Davis that I've seen.
TF

[stillwater97]

Originally Posted by wapiteaser

Bass are for the fishermen that don't know how or can't catch a trout, steelhead, or salmon. The lazy man's fish.

Wapiteaser,

I respectfully disagree with you about the game qualities of warm water species. All the drama about Davis would be a non-issue if Bass were not a worthy game fish. The problem is that they are a great fish to pursue on a fly rod and reel, just not at davis lake. IMHO.

If you are up in the Central Oregon area, let me know and I'll take you out to Davis and we can fish for some of those fish. At the end of the day, I'll ask you if you changed your mind.

and to the question about if I believe the "spew", Yes, I most emphatically do. May I ask you why you don't?

Very Respectfully,

Mark

[MacFish]

I've been an avid fly fisherman for 35 years and a bass fisherman for 25 years. There are a lot of similarities between the two and the chance to do both at the same time is an opportunity I can't pass up as long as it exists, at either Davis or Crane. Just like I'd fish for trout in the local farm pond if 3 pound rainbows started showing up.
I agree with the vast majority of people on this board that condem illegal introductions of any species, anywhere. I also believe that the delicate ecosystem of a trophy trout lake is a lot harder to come by than a good bass lake and it should be vigorously protected. While I'm not convinced that bass have impacted the fisheries to the extent that some say, I would tend to support plans to make Davis a trout only lake again. Rotenone is the only way it's going to happen, catch and keep is futile and may actually enhance the bass fishery by thinning the population.
In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the heck out of fishing for whichever species I choose.

[Abalone]

I'd Rotenone Crane Prairie and Davis lake just for spite.

Let the Bass fisherman feel the pain.

[Herm]

Originally Posted by stillwater97

Wapiteaser,

I respectfully disagree with you about the game qualities of warm water species. All the drama about Davis would be a non-issue if Bass were not a worthy game fish. The problem is that they are a great fish to pursue on a fly rod and reel, just not at davis lake. IMHO.

If you are up in the Central Oregon area, let me know and I'll take you out to Davis and we can fish for some of those fish. At the end of the day, I'll ask you if you changed your mind.

and to the question about if I believe the "spew", Yes, I most emphatically do. May I ask you why you don't?

Very Respectfully,

Mark

I honestly don't know enough to make the comment that I made...I was just off the Crane Prairie rant about the bass problem there and was in a confrontational state of mind....so for that I apologize. Bass fishing gets crushed around here. I think its funny, especially the comment about bass fisherman cant catch trout,, salmon or steelhead. that was plain dumb. Anyways, I'm an avid trout, salmon and steelhead fisherman who got my college degree in Montana and has floated about every floatable river in Montana....so I have the experience to talk about it a little. and bass fight harder than trout....smallies at least, they are a blast on the fly-rod. They eat better than trout in my opinion. So I guess my main question is this: there are so many trout lakes in Oregon and so little bass lakes by comparison. what gives, do you honestly just hate bass or just think all the lakes should be catered to you? I understand the frustration if it was your local or favorite lake to fish or if you have business that depends on the trout fishery...etc. But I just want some feedback about why people hate bass so much. I have only fished Davis lake once back in 99 and slaughtered the trout...so I take it in the last 8 years and has changed dramatically? I just read all this stuff about angry fisherman and how the fishing isnt as good anymore but I tell you what I am not hearing is the facts and statistics that back this "rant" up.

so again sorry about the "spew" comment...that was more for the guy on the crane praire issue spamming the bass and panfish board

[Tar Heel]

Are we so sure these lakes were illegally stocked with bass in the first place? In many parts of the country, if you build a pond, sooner or later bream and minnows, then bass, will show up. I have seen this happen in ponds built solely for swimming and dont think anyone ever stocked them. These lakes are teaming with eagles, cormorants, ducks... Some say it's the birds dropping fish/eggs they have caught and then dropped into the water, but regardless, the fish just seem to show up-- with time. Moreover, as our cold waters warm (global warming) many of the warm water spcies are bound to show up in many places where they previously couldnt thrive. Has anyone even anonomously admitted to stocking bass in Davis or Crane? I for one think we should try to keep cold water fisheries for cold water fish, but not so sure it's going to be possible.

[stillwater97]

Hi Herm,

Here is some background on the lake and its history:

1. Davis Lake is Oregon's first fly fishing only lake (1930's) It is also only one of a handful of water bodies in the state dedicated as fly only. It holds native redband trout, whitefish, as well as a small population of bull trout.
2. Davis Lake during high-water periods is a trout factory. Massive hatches, plentiful leeches, damsels, dragonflies grow double digit trout in only a few years.
3. Davis Lake follows a boom-bust cycle and water levels fluctuate regularly as there are several holes in the lava dam that allow water to escape. In years past, the lake as almost completely dried up, yet due to good spawning gravel in Odell and Ranger creeks, the population of wild trout made a comeback once water levels returned to normal. (I think they did stock it once or twice over the past 30 or so years... but never often). The point is, the trout would pretty much recover on their own once water levels returned to normal.
4. Approximately 10 years ago, someone put large mouth bass in it.
5. Approximately 5 years ago, Davis went through low water cycle. While it was a low-water event (the lake was about 100 acres vs 3000 at full pool), I've seen it much lower (50 acres).
6. For the past three years, water levels have been very high, yet the trout have not recovered. A few big fish are being caught. 2007 Redd counts are up over 2006, yet smaller fish are not being seen or caught.

Based on the timeline of the events, and the history of the lake; I come to the conclusion that the trout in Davis Lake can recover from low-water events but are having trouble recovering from low-water and the presence of bass. Everyone knows that bass will readily prey on juvenile trout. My assumption is that the majority of fry are heading down Odell Creek, into the lake and into the mouths of the waiting bass.

ODFW's management plan for Davis Lake is currently for trophy trout. I am pretty sure that the majority of fly anglers would like to see that management plan stay the same. (manage for trout and against bass). I am also of the opinion that regardless of the redside vs bass debate, ODFW will have to act in order to protect the endangered bull trout as bass are unlikely to discriminate between preying on redband trout juveniles and bull trout juveniles.

To me, rotenone is about the only option that can wipe out the bass and give the lake a fresh start. (but Mark, Won't the rotenone kill the redbands and bull trout?) Possibly, However, if we wait until a low water year, trap as many redband trout as possible and store them at a local hatchery, & rotenone in the fall when the vast majority of bull trout will be in the creeks spawning it would work out.

This plan will protect the trout, while at the same time concentrate the bass in the remaining low-water (say.. 100-300 acres) Since bass are unlikely to be in the creeks as the water temps are a constant ~40 degrees it is likely that we could successfully get rid of the bass.

Davis should be poisoned. Doing nothing only rewards unethical and illegal behavior and significantly impacts an endangered population of bull trout.

I have nothing against bass, bass fishermen, or gear fishermen. I want an endangered species protected. And I want Davis Lake to be returned to the state it was prior to a few selfish individuals ruined it.

If anyone has a better idea that can protect the bull trout, I'd like to hear it.

Also during the last electroshocking it was my understanding that they also found brown bullhead in Davis as well. Good luck getting rid of those without rotenone.

[stillwater97]

Originally Posted by Tar heel

Are we so sure these lakes were illegally stocked with bass in the first place? In many parts of the country, if you build a pond, sooner or later bream and minnows, then bass, will show up. I have seen this happen in ponds built solely for swimming and dont think anyone ever stocked them. These lakes are teaming with eagles, cormorants, ducks... Some say it's the birds dropping fish/eggs they have caught and then dropped into the water, but regardless, the fish just seem to show up-- with time. Moreover, as our cold waters warm (global warming) many of the warm water spcies are bound to show up in many places where they previously couldnt thrive. Has anyone even anonomously admitted to stocking bass in Davis or Crane? I for one think we should try to keep cold water fisheries for cold water fish, but not so sure it's going to be possible.

It is my understanding that ODFW is pretty sure who stocked the bass, yet cannot prove it in court. Also, the nearest body of water that has bass in it is Wickiup (also illegally planted) That body of water is 3-4 miles away. I find it unlikely that an osprey scooped a bass up from wickiup, flew 3-4 miles, dropped the bass in Davis and that the bass survived well enough to spawn.

I find it more likely that someone intentionally planted bass in Davis don't you?

[Tar Heel]

Dont know much about it, but I fished Davis and Crane for trout in the mid 80's and it pains me to see so much awesome trout water go down the drain, whatever the cause. Just not so sure, e.g., if there are other water bodies in the area with bass, that it's going to work--for very long, anyway. Sounds like you are "in the know," and if odfw will go for it, then lets hope it's a long-term solution. No doubt about it, the waters are "warming up," and pretty soon, maybe we will all be bass fishers! What about a bounty for bass or a "kill bass" policy like they do Pike Minnows on the Columbia? I haved fished for bass AND trout since I was a kid-- and anything else dumb enough to take my offerings-- but I wonder if it might worth trying some other methods b4 poisioning the lake....

[joemomma]

Originally Posted by SouthCoastStu

And do away with the bag/size limits for Smallmouth on the Umpqua while we're at it. Why protect/regulate invasive species to the detriment of native stocks

Amen!

[Sublime]

Originally Posted by wapiteaser

Bass are for the fishermen that don't know how or can't catch a trout, steelhead, or salmon. The lazy man's fish.

I agree with this whole thread, whole-heartedly. However, I must admit this is a pretty ignorant statement. Why make yourSELF look dumber :grin:

I know quite a few Salmon/Steelheaders that occasionally go for bass. They seem to do pretty well for both, honestly.

Not trying to put you down, just saying that it really doesn't make you look too smart, with that kind of a comment.

[River Ranger]

I wrote an Email to ODFW as to why they would protect invasive species in Oregon on our fine rivers and lakes, I never got a response.
Maybe we should hit ODFW with a large volly of Emails on this subject and see if we get an answer.

RR.

[Herm]

you didn't get a response because they aren't protecting them...they just aren't killing them.

[Tar Heel]

This might also make a good research topic for someone at the OSU fisheries program, or some other institution with a willing mind. Poisioning the lakes is a pretty drastic/expensive solution, and you want to make sure it's going to work before spending the money and taking such measures. It will hopefully work at Diamond lake--time will tell, and it's not likely the Toi chubs were, or could have been, introduced by birds. Would it work on largies at Davis? I think it is quite possible for a bird to carry bass all over these lakes and continue restocking them w/ bass fry. Not really sure, but it would seem that at 4-5 miles, Crane to Davis, at 30-40 mph a bass could easily live in a pelican/cormorant/osprey/duck/merganser/eagle/seagull/dipper... gullett, or even beak and survive to grow and spawn. Birds would only have to regurgitate a few of them over a multi-year period to make what would grow to a spawning population. Would it mean that you would have to poision many water bodies, e.g., Davis, Crane, Wickiup... to get rid of the bass in the central oregon high mt. lakes? There must be some literature on avian fish transport/stocking. Even if it's not the birds, and its "Johny Bass Seed," will Johny come back w/ his bucket of bass? It might also make sense to see what the overall fisher population thinks about the bass in these lakes. In my opinion, Davis is a "no brainer"-- keep it a cold water fishery. However, if a letter writing campaign is in order, perhaps it's to call for a study of the situation, not necesarly the remedy before we know what is for sure going on here. Just my two cents.

[Herm]

are gas motors allowed in davis lake?

[Abalone]

Originally Posted by Herm

are gas motors allowed in davis lake?

Not yet ! As soon as all the trout die off I am sure there will be Bass Tournies there though...

[MacFish]

Motors are allowed but there may be a speed limit, I'm not sure

[viigfish]

Gas motors are allowed on Davis, with a 10 MPH speed limit. No fishing is allowed while the motor is in operation.

Bass fishermen are highly adaptive and fish many methods. They are always coming up with new ways to succeed. I'm amazed that there aren't more of them flyfishing. If it wasn't for a bassfisherman coming up with rubber worms in various colors, steelhead fishermen wouldn't have "discovered" the pink worm.

RV

[River Ranger]

Originally Posted by Herm

you didn't get a response because they aren't protecting them...they just aren't killing them.

What I mean is why set any kind of retention limits on invasive species.

RR.

[Tar Heel]

Check out the OSU invasive species entry on the Bass Panfish blog. Sounds like the wheels are turning alreay. That's really cool.

[Herm]

thats a good question.....but you know what? We have to trust that the ODFW knows what they are doing. I know a lot people have different opinions about their performance and their priorities. But unless you are a wildlife biologist with credentials, its hard to convince me that you know more than them.

[River Ranger]

I know enough to say nothing good can come from non-native species, even when the state decides to plant Salmon and Steelhead in areas or season where there was no run.

RR.

[Super Fluke]

Originally Posted by wapiteaser

Bass are for the fishermen that don't know how or can't catch a trout, steelhead, or salmon. The lazy man's fish.

Wait a minuet, you telling me I can't catch a salmon, steelhead or trout, that's funny. I've caught trout for as long as I can remember, they are really easy to catch. I've caught so many salmon I'm sick of getting them and I've killed the steelhead when I used to fish for them. I've caught bass that have fought better than any little trout, salmon or steelhead. I've had 13 fish days when fishing for salmon and steelhead. I'll bet you that if you tried to bass fish you would not catch any really big fish, if your lucky you might catch dinks you might catch dinks. I think it would take you at least five years to get a 8 pound bass like I did. Also, the last time that I check that the largemouth bass is most popular game fish in the world. I don't think you can say that bass fisherman are bad fishermen when some of those bass fisherman are a better fisherman than you are.


I think that bass should be taken out of Davis. Mayby to get some bass out of Davis they should have some tournaments for bass, and every fish they catch they have to kill.

[Jellyhead]

Nick,

Your comments fall on deaf ears.......

Except "I think that bass should be taken out of davis" the rest is just Blah, blah blah blah blah, buzzz, buzz, click....at least on this thread.

We all know the REEL TRUTH...

If you ever want to borrow a 9wt. and have a serious "Lunker Fest" at Davis, let me know. I've got a spare and and can't wait for pre-spawn next year!

Aaron

[Super Fluke]

I wish I could fish that lake because of the big bass, but I haven't had the time to learn to fly fish.

[Jellyhead]

Nick,

You need to learn! Let's put on a clinic at Davis! Bass fishing with a fly rod is EASY !! They had a bass bash there and the "skilled" bass flyfisherman caught 60 fish for over 100 anglers in one day during the spawn-prespawn period. WAAAY easy! LOL!

Seriously, it's not that hard, especially with schools of 4 pounders cruising weedlines. My dad, who's never cast a fly rod in his life, caught a 4 and two three's in one afternoon with me a few weeks ago.

Shoot me a PM, and I'll hook you up. You'll even look like you fit in there with the drift boat

Aaron

[Super Fluke]

Can you cast a swim bait w/ a fly rod lol

[Jellyhead]

Oh, I could.....but not legal there...

Heavy jigworm rabbit strip flies do the deed. I can tie flies waayy better than I fly fish or bass fish, so Flies are not a problem. If I can think it, I can tie it, and a large "rainbow trout swimbait fly" are on my mind right now. I see alot of deer hair being spun, and a very heavy fly rod for next spring. Casting 6" of articulted deer hair surface fly, is gonna take a STICK! Not that bass in davis would eat a 6" trout looking fly

Aaron

[rob allen]

If you want to rotanone and replant you have no standings whatsoever on the native fish issue. If you want to kill off everything then plant trout your only legit point is that you want to catch trout instead of bass, plain and simple..

if you want to rotanone Davis and let the tributary streams reseed the lake then you have an argument based on native fish. but there is no moral high ground if you want to kill off and replant.

as for CP.. it is a man made lake and as such has no native species...

it currently provides a tremendous bass fishery and a tremendous trout fishery.. I have seen the recent pics and reports establishing both.

I'd be all in favor of restoring CP to it's natural condition.. but it won't be a lake ...

CP is a great lake to have bass in Davis is not... however I oppose the idea of killing the lake and replanting with more non-native fish that have to be replanted every year.. at that point you might as well keep the bass as they reproduce and there is no need for continual planting..

I am always ( every single time) in favor of restoring native species in their natural habitat..

I think ODFW should however look for ways to improve warmwater fishing in Oregon so people don't feel the need to illegally plant them to create good fisheries.. there are scores of lakes in oregon where bass would do no harm. but those lakes need lots of work..

but hell first things first wild steelhead are more important to me that wild trout or bass..

Oh and while we are talking about Montana.. nearly all their fisheries are based on introduced species they are not native fisheries...

[Herm]

do you really use a 9 wt? seems like a 5 wt. would be more fun.

[Jellyhead]

Herm,

I'd love to use a 5wt, but you'd never get the bass out of the reeds with one.

Aaron

[Herm]

are the reeds the only place to get em...I may going down to catch and eat some next weekend, any advice would be much appreciated

[Jellyhead]

I would use the heaviest, weedless flies you can cast, lob or launch into the reeds. The big ones are way back in the reeds, and with the water level, it is near impossible to get a fly in the stuff.

The reeds were sticking up out of the water a good 3-4' and most were windblown, creating a impenatrable jungle. If you can, row, or pole through the main reed line and fish the shallower pockets behind them. It really opens up in a lot of places with little patches of lily pads, there were some nice fish hiding in that stuff too, and you could actually fish it.

Good luck, if you are going to eat them, here's my tip:

Take a box of bis-quick and some beer. Mix batter with beer, nice and thick. Get a pan of oil nice and hot. Roll small sections of fillet in batter, drop in hot oil and cook until golden brown. Dip in tartar sauce. Good eats!

Have fun!

Aaron

[Herm]

wow ...thanks for the advice. much apreciated. and I dont want to hijack this thread so I will PM some more questions

[Hunt'nFish]

Bass do not belong in Davis. But killing off everything is not the answer either. Wild fish genes need to be allowed to regain the upper hand. Rather than fight with us bass guys why not ask for our help?
Lazy or not, we are good at what we do. Wapititeaser, Bass guys are just as deticated at what we do, as you are at perfecting your chosen sport.

Allow us in there unrestricted during prespawn and we'll help ya out.
Cooperation goes farther than fighting & name calling.
As a very novice fly fisherman & avid bass guy, I come here to your board to help. Native trout are too much fun to not protect.
There are so many other lakes to go for bass.....not that many capable of quality trout.
Let us help,
Hunt'nFish

[Abalone]

Obviously some of us have strong feelings about this issue.

It can be a challenge to express ourselves in a way that seems un-personal. I never meant to attack any one person for the Situation
we have in our lakes. Bass fisherman and Trout fisherman alike we all love
what we do.

I guess what has happened can never be un-done. I just wish some of you would realize the consequences to others that have occured because of the act of a one person or a few individuals. At the expense of others they have Changed Oregon for ever.

If in your mind that's Ok then so be it.

Even if I could I would not take away your Bass fishing as I know how much it means to you.

Have a nice day......

[MacFish]

If anyone on this board ever said they approved of putting bass in Davis Lake I must have missed it. Every bass fisherman I've talked to thinks it was a bad idea. They're sportsmen, no different from trout fishermen and are in no way represented by those that choose to stock fish illegally.

[Abalone]

Good ! Then we are all on the same page.

end of story...

[1bigfish]

Originally Posted by Abalone

Good ! Then we are all on the same page.

end of story...

I wouldn't go as far as to say we are all on the same page.

I would say we ALL agree they should not have been illegally-introduced in the first place.

I would also say that MOST(including myself) think that they should be completly removed from Davis. However some disagree.

Where many of us differ is how to remove them. I would like them to be removed in a way that would do the least damage to the lake and native fish in that lake. However I am not educated enough to tell you what way thay might be.

[JustCallMeDave]

Originally Posted by Hunt'nFish

Lazy or not, we are good at what we do. Wapititeaser, Bass guys are just as deticated at what we do, as you are at perfecting your chosen sport.

Please note that the comments posted by Wapatiteaser have shown to be pretty much his alone and do not speak for the overall beliefs of the fly anglers here at ifish.

Don't make me call for a group hug here.

[Two Fister]

1bigfish, this isn't directed at you.

To start with, we came on to the bass board and played nice. You guys pay us back by hijacking our thread on the Fly Board? Thanks for that respect...

I'd never support opening Davis Lake up to gear fishermen. That's sort of cutting a doggie door for the fox to keep him from breaking in to the hen house IMHO. I strongly believe that the bass were purposefully planted in Davis to take advantage of the growning numbers of tui chubs that were present in the lake. No reward for illegal actions.

No way in heck gear fishermen are going to make a significant dent in the bass population. All it would do is encourage more bucket biologists to illegally introduce species in gear/bait restricted lakes and rivers in hope of being "asked" to come in a help out. Sorry gear guys, that lake has been off limits to gear since the 1930s and it's going to stay that way.

I personally don't care if people think bass are easy or hard to catch. That is totally beside the point. They were illegally introduced into a lake that supports a small, documented struggling population of Threatened/Endangered Bull Trout. IMHO, the bass are going to come out of Davis or the ODFW will likely find itself handing over control of the issue to the Federal Government. That will be after their inaction lands them in a lawsuit that wastes tax dollars that should have been spent on addressing an illegal action shortly after it happened.

Rob, I just don't get you man.

TF

[MacFish]

Originally Posted by Abalone

Good ! Then we are all on the same page.

end of story...

Up to that point, yes. Where opinions differ seem to be as to what should be done and how it should be accomplished.

[Two Fister]

Just so everyone is clear. From the ODFW website:

"Fly Angling
Fly Angling Angling with a fly rod, fly reel, (no spinning or fixed spool reel(s)), floating or sinking fly line, leader, any type of backing line, and an artificial fly. In waters restricted to “Fly Angling Only” no additional weights or attractors shall be attached to the hook, leader, or line, and no metal core lines may be used."

"Davis Lake and Odell Creek Channel up to boat ramp at West Davis Lake campground (Klamath Co.)
2 trout per day, 10-inch minimum length and 13-inch maximum length.
No limit on size or number of warmwater game fish.
Restricted to fly angling only with barbless hooks (see fly angling definition, page 7).
Closed from 1 hour after sunset until 1 hour before sunrise."

Does anybody else find it strange that the phrases "illegally introduced", "illegal introduction" and "invasive species" aren't found when searching the online .pdf version of the ODFW regs?

[Abalone]

So what would work ?

What has been proposed by ODFW ?
Has any other state sucessfully dealt with this problem ?
What are the scientific objectives that make this task so difficult ?

I am sure it would be expensive, how would they pay for it ?