Guts and stuff...

Trick · 06-16-2001, 05:41 PM

I remember reading a post a couple days ago that had a link to a story about how streams are starved of nutrients to help young salmonoids survive. These nutrients come from the rotting carcases of adult fish. It is a state rule not to clean fish along streamsides. Why would this not be a beneficial practice to return a certain percentage of each fish to the stream? Not that I want streams to look like a garbage dump, but it seems to me like a decent practice.

Even to take it farther...according to that article, the percentage of nutrients is only a fraction of what it used to be, so why not dump the filleted out fish from processors into our systems?

Might be just a wacked out thought?

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Hookset · 06-16-2001, 10:16 PM

I read the same article and found it interesting. I remember when the law changed making the practice of cleaning your fish steamside became illegal. Not sure what the motives were behind this law but suspect some concerned people preferred not see the unsightly remains littering the bank. No doubt more political the scientific.

I suspect simply dumping fish waste isn't the answer either since timing is important. Maybe even having the desired fish parts is important, don't know. The one item that's clear, no one has all the answers. Since the fish stocks have been down for so many years, I guess everything is under the microscope. I'm just glad the awarness has finally reached the general public and some dollars are available for research.

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sinker · 06-16-2001, 10:33 PM

Another thing the state may have taken into account is that it's usually done at a couple spots on the river, right at the boat launch. To much in one place isn't really good either.
I know, I know I'm giving the state the benefit of the doubt here. Take me out back and whip me with a noodle rod. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

fsh4play · 06-17-2001, 05:46 AM

I don't know why the state banned this practice, and it is a smelly and ugly site to see filleted carcasses along the river but in Alaska you had better do this or the locals get real peaved? Maybe they are on to something in that state? They do seem to have some fish in there waters. But what do us fishermen know anyway???? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Hoosier Daddy · 06-18-2001, 05:59 AM

I think the point about all the carcasses ending up at the boat ramp is right on. That is probably the main reason for it. The state had to fight its own agencies for permission to do carcass dumps (ODFW vs. DEQ). So there could also be some of that going on.
I read the same article I think. Was is the one in STS a couple months ago? The article actually irritated me quite a bit. The point of the article was fine, but the way Amato went about it was pretty poor. He said he could tell by looking at some smolts in the water that they were starving. How? Did he catch them and analyze their stomachs? Its very hard to tell what nutritional state a fish is in by looking at it. They are quite often skinny even if they are getting enough food. Oh well, just semantics I guess, but he was pretty abusive, saying the states were missing the boat on something they were already in the middle of doing, etc. Just kind of turned me off to his publications. Which is hard to stick to, since he is the only guy that publishes Northwest fishing stuff.

Oh yeah "salmonids", not "salmonoids". Sorry, I edit stuff a lot, its habit.

finclipped · 06-18-2001, 06:18 AM

Here is a recent link about the nutrient studys. http://www.newsdata.com/enernet/fishletter/#6

Trick · 06-18-2001, 06:16 PM

Chnookie, your not my ninth grade english teacher are you? [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I went to Websters.com and both spellings pulled up attached to each other. Does that make me a little bit right? [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

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Hoosier Daddy · 06-19-2001, 06:33 AM

Sorry Tshikam. I get in trouble with the wife for it all the time, but I can't help it. Nothing personal [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] . And I think it makes Webster's wrong, (and you a little bit right). According to my fish ID books, there ain't no such animal as a salmonoid, but......
Again, sorry about the spelling crack [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Trick · 06-19-2001, 08:35 AM

All habits can be liked to an illness chinookie, you have an illness and were all here to help you overcome your problem. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I always like the shorter spellings anyways, I type so darn slow, leaving off one letter will cut at least 20 seconds off my time. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]