Jesuit #1.....In the Nation

bcline76 · 06-19-2007, 11:47 AM

Interesting article on SI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....10/index.html

Always knew Jesuit had a hammer high school sports program, just didn't realize how dominate and consistent we are across the spectrum.

Artwo · 06-19-2007, 12:08 PM

Jesuit has been a sports power for a long time. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to complete in the metro league as they are a private school not a public school, same for Central Catholic. These private schools can and do recruit students/player to get the pick of the crop to support their acedemic and sports programs. I think this is not fair to the other public schools that have district boundary limitations on student/player eligibility.

For example; say there is a star football player that lives in the Canby school district and at the time Beaverton High School has the number one football program in the state. The kid from Canby can not attend Beaverton High school because he doesn't live in their district. But if he wants to play for Jesuit or Central Catholic he can do so as long as his parents are willing to pay the tuition.

So, as you can see how they can get the cream of the crop if they really wanted to.

Thumper · 06-19-2007, 12:16 PM

Yep. As a Central Catholic alumnus, I gotta agree. Not fair.

Queeg · 06-19-2007, 12:21 PM

I think it would be good to have some kind of west-coast league for private schools, so the kids could compete at a little higher level. I guess it's fun to smear your opponents over and over, but they could develop more if they could play teams more in the same class.

fishboys · 06-19-2007, 01:07 PM

Those guys were men amongst boys last year.

Artwo · 06-19-2007, 01:16 PM

You can say that again fishboys. Our football team played them in the PTL playoffs and they whooped us bad. It was a clear night and day difference....................

fishboys · 06-19-2007, 02:18 PM

I listened to the state championship on the radio that night. And this was against a pretty good team. They kept running up the score so they could get a better ranking on a national level. Guess it worked.

The Associated Press said it was the most lopsided Oregon title game since 1985. Senior running back Paul Weatheroy was the star, rushing for 292 yards and four touchdowns, including a 45-yarder on the Crusaders' first offensive play of the game. That was Weatheroy's 16th touchdown of the playoffs alone, a state record. By the time the night was over he had 19 playoff touchdowns and 116 points scored, both state records.
The Crusaders were so dominating, they had 559 yards of total offense, no turnovers, no punts, and only four third-down plays. Quarterback Dan Wagner threw for 205 yards and three touchdowns.
Jesuit finished 13-0,

roadsend · 06-19-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Artwo

......For example; say there is a star football player that lives in the Canby school district and at the time Beaverton High School has the number one football program in the state. The kid from Canby can not attend Beaverton High school because he doesn't live in their district. But if he wants to play for Jesuit or Central Catholic he can do so as long as his parents are willing to pay the tuition.....

Learn somethun new every day.
I thought the way it worked is that daddy rents a cheapo apartment in Beverton School District where he and his aspiring athlete spend four or so nghts a week.
Probably a cheaper arrangement than paying Jesuit's tuition.

Artwo · 06-19-2007, 02:58 PM

roadsend............

I suppose there are ways around most anything, but my point is that the star athlete or acedemic student wouldn't have to go around any of the rules to attend either of the private schools. Just pay the tuition and your good to go.

roadsend · 06-19-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Artwo

roadsend............

I suppose there are ways around most anything, but my point is that the star athlete or acedemic student wouldn't have to go around any of the rules to attend either of the private schools. Just pay the tuition and your good to go.

Understood.
My point was only that if parents want badly enough for their talented aspiring athlete to play on a winning team, there is always a way.

Drachir · 06-19-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Artwo

Jesuit has been a sports power for a long time. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to complete in the metro league as they are a private school not a public school, same for Central Catholic. These private schools can and do recruit students/player to get the pick of the crop to support their acedemic and sports programs. I think this is not fair to the other public schools that have district boundary limitations on student/player eligibility.

For example; say there is a star football player that lives in the Canby school district and at the time Beaverton High School has the number one football program in the state. The kid from Canby can not attend Beaverton High school because he doesn't live in their district. But if he wants to play for Jesuit or Central Catholic he can do so as long as his parents are willing to pay the tuition.

So, as you can see how they can get the cream of the crop if they really wanted to.

I agree with your analysis 100%!!!:grin:

I have even heard them called "Jesuit University".:shocked:

We went up North for the Jesuit vs Sheldon Football game in last years playoff. Sheldon had a darn good team last year, but w/ Jesuit's All-Star recruited team, it was not even a close contest. It's just not fair!!:smile:

skybuster · 06-19-2007, 03:34 PM

Public schools recruit just as much as the private schools. I went to a public school that used to be a baseball power and we had kids transfering in from out of district every year I was there. There are loopholes for everything.

The tempting thing about Jesuit and Central Catholic is that not only do you transfer to a top notch athletic program, but a top notch academic program as well. If you graduate as an all-state ball player from one of these schools with a 3.5 or better GPA you will have lots of options.

SImudBogger · 06-19-2007, 04:00 PM

they are a joke. if every high school could recruit and get sponorships that would level the playing field. I played in the mt hood conference with central catholic, they have off years every once and a while, jesuit doesnt.

finclipped · 06-19-2007, 04:01 PM

I have seen rules bent at Jesuit to get less than acedemically qualified students into the school and my experience with Jesuit is next to nil. One call from the varsity coach did the trick. I get the feeling they are proud of their athletics.

I played in 2 state championship games, and when your 70 miles from the closest league competitor, there is no "shopping" within schools. In my day (man I feel old) the Southern Oregon conference dominated without the need to recruit. With the option of picking where you go to school, I always wondered why the Portland schools didn't have a "pooling" of talent. Now they do.....

By the way, that Jesuit Football team last year was the best high school football team this state has ever seen. They dominated the 2nd best team in the state like it was JV vs. Varsity. That has to take say something about recruiting.

1pump · 06-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Oh, come on. It's always been that way, even way before I was a kid in Catholic school way back in '02. (That's 1902) "Recruiting" around here is non-existent compared to Texas, California and a lot of other states.

And don't forget, parents moving to a dominant public school district in order to get Junior on the football team is nothing new. If they have the coin to send them to a private school, more power to 'em. They still have to pay property taxes on top of it.

Portland has been pooling kids for years. Take one look at Benson or Grant. And look who's left behind at Jefferson, Marshall, and some others.

roadsend · 06-19-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1pump

Oh, come on. It's always been that way, even way before I was a kid in Catholic school way back in '02. (That's 1902) "Recruiting" around here is non-existent compared to Texas, California and a lot of other states.

And don't forget, parents moving to a dominant public school district in order to get Junior on the football team is nothing new. If they have the coin to send them to a private school, more power to 'em. They still have to pay property taxes on top of it.

Portland has been pooling kids for years. Take one look at Benson or Grant. And look who's left behind at Jefferson, Marshall, and some others.

Didn't Medford about 40 years ago, rather than build a needed second high school, split off 11th and 12th grade in order to concentrate its football power into one school?

Thumper · 06-19-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by roadsend

Didn't Medford about 40 years ago, rather than build a needed second high school, split off 11th and 12th grade in order to concentrate its football power into one school?

50 years ago. I faced those animals in the state championship game. Mygosh they were good!

fishboys · 06-19-2007, 10:11 PM

Some good points about Texas football. Or even Oregon city girls basketball for that matter. If your kids good and as parents you want them to be seen by college scouts you dont keep them at a school that isnt very good or even a 1a 2a 3a 4a or even a 5a school. most kids at smaller schools just dont make the cut when its time to play with the big dogs. Some do though but most don't.

ODSKid · 06-20-2007, 01:26 AM

I am 17 and I currently attend Lincoln High School. There are a lot of prime players that I went to middle school with that were put into Jesuit when really they should have went into Lincoln, or at least spread out through other schools. I don't think its fair at all. Especially in the 2005 State final, when they thought Lincoln was going to be blown out worse than the team that got blown out in the 2007 final. Lincoln only lost by four, at 10-14 @ Autzen Stadium.
But either way... that's the way it goes. I support my Cardinals whether there's private schools in the leagues or not. Ever since the 2005 Football final, we're always on the lookout to beat Jesuit. And I think all other public schools should share the same feeling.

uhmw · 06-20-2007, 08:07 AM

My neighbor hood really gets up for a game against a good rival like jesuit.
Competition against a power house is what I allways looked foward too in college. It seems like the patsy mentality to not want to face a power house. I was a coach at jesuit their programs are a hard core as the kids that come to compete. There is a fairly strict conduct policy for the team to up hold reguardless of their talent. I was forced more than once, to cut the best athletes because of personal conduct issues from the AD him self. I am frankly proud for oregon that jesuit is ranked number one in the nation and think our kids will really get that extra kick when they get a chance to beat the mighty crusaders-bring them on

MacFish · 06-20-2007, 09:34 AM

While public school recruiting does exist, and people do take advantage of loopholes to go to different public schools, the numbers don't even come close to what a school like Jesuit is doing on a day to day basis. The ability to activley and legally recruit the best athletes in the state gives them such an advantage they should be embarrassed when they don't win a state championship.

1pump · 06-20-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MacFish

While public school recruiting does exist, and people do take advantage of loopholes to go to different public schools, the numbers don't even come close to what a school like Jesuit is doing on a day to day basis. The ability to activley and legally recruit the best athletes in the state gives them such an advantage they should be embarrassed when they don't win a state championship.

At least they don't do it at the state's expense.

They don't coddle slackers or miscreants on the field or the classroom, and they expect a lot from the parents as well. They don't admit everyone.
It's an exclusive school, so I don't see a problem with them acting like one.

MacFish · 06-20-2007, 01:52 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Jesuit is anything but a top flight school, because it's one of the best. I only wanted to point out that when a high school can recruit top athletes from around the state and their competition can't, they should expect to be succesful.

1pump · 06-20-2007, 02:39 PM

No apology necessary.

I'm a staunch advocate of private schools mainly because most public schools do such a crappy job by comparison (in OR at least). I'm the only one of four kids in my family that actually went to a public school, so I have experience with both public and private.
I'm not saying there's no decent public schools out there, it's just that private schools don't have to play by the same rules on the field or in the classroom, so they have an intrinsic edge.

STRUTTIN-1 · 06-21-2007, 02:38 PM

Very impressive.Almost unbelievable.What a honor.

jzell · 06-21-2007, 03:06 PM

Makes my day when Jesuit doesn't win a state champ in something.

John

Grant HS 1975

TheRogue · 06-22-2007, 11:07 AM

Funny this comes up at this time, perfect for this post.....

Supreme Court Rules on High School Recruiting

While it applies to all schools pub or priv; it's definitely pointed at the private schools.

And YES.....Jesuit has an unfair advantage, IMHO.

TR

kayakfisher · 06-22-2007, 03:31 PM

Precisely... I went to Serra High in San Mateo Calif for three years, and they recruited Lynn Swan to catch passes from Jesse Freitas, on of my grade school friends. Both played Pro football... but with the Jesse passes to Lynn were an unbeatable combo.. and an unfair advantage to all the schools in the area.

M.

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Originally Posted by Artwo

Jesuit has been a sports power for a long time. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to complete in the metro league as they are a private school not a public school, same for Central Catholic. These private schools can and do recruit students/player to get the pick of the crop to support their acedemic and sports programs. I think this is not fair to the other public schools that have district boundary limitations on student/player eligibility.

For example; say there is a star football player that lives in the Canby school district and at the time Beaverton High School has the number one football program in the state. The kid from Canby can not attend Beaverton High school because he doesn't live in their district. But if he wants to play for Jesuit or Central Catholic he can do so as long as his parents are willing to pay the tuition.

So, as you can see how they can get the cream of the crop if they really wanted to.

RookieSteeler · 06-22-2007, 11:12 PM

Lots of heated arguement here. We should all agree the jesuit has done a fine job on the field, but what about in the classroom? I have talked to many people from jesuit and according to what you guys are saying that everyone that goes to Jesuit is smart. I don�t believe that to a certain point. I�m sure there are tutors and other sort things to make the students better students. This should make parents wonder on if they are going to burn out their kids. Such as my cousin that went to Jesuit played on the football team and now doesn't even think of football one bit. Does make you wonder

Just my

Rookie

roadsend · 06-23-2007, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RookieSteeler

.... Such as my cousin that went to Jesuit played on the football team and now doesn't even think of football one bit. Does make you wonder

Just my

Rookie

Maybe he just grew up and got a life.
I don't know why anyone would think seriously about football when there are fish to catch. :grin:

SteelheadBum2 · 06-23-2007, 02:03 PM

Jesuit is the most hated school over here in Lion country (West Linn High).

They really do have a VERY unfair advantage against all the public schools with sports. As far as academics, West Linn has the field beat my friend! Always the highest testing scores in the state.

Super Fluke · 06-23-2007, 09:08 PM

I pitched against there JV team today and won 6-4, had a no-hitter through 4 and shut out through 6

ORrinker · 06-24-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelheadBum2

Jesuit is the most hated school over here in Lion country (West Linn High).

Try being in the Metro League. Actually this past season Aloha lead them until late in the third quarter. I was very proud of my Warriors!!!

Randy

too high · 06-25-2007, 12:08 AM

I have kids at Jesuit and one thing people forget is how hard it is for the average athletes to compete there, like mine. One in particular, had to work so hard to even be competitive on the junior varsity team in cross country and track. Had she been enrolled in one of the public schools, she would have had no problem making varsity. They do have many advantages that the public schools don't, and I wish there was a way to make the teams more equal. The education has been excellent for my kids, and they are there for the religious education/community service. There are many excellent public schools. Just another view.