Starter Corrosion cont.

[Metal Manipulator]

This winter we had a discussion on inboard starter corrosion. I finnally pulled the starter and I thought I would post what I found. Pre-season last year I over hauled it using Slick 50 grease and Corosion blocker spray.

The boat is moored at Newport for 6 months at south beach marina.


The first picture shows very little rust on the starter gear and some on the starter shaft. The fly wheel has plenty of rust as I cannot get to it without pulling the engine so I only spray corrosion blocker through the mounting hole. I am assuming that the rust came from the fly wheel and collected with the grease and oil.

The second picture shows that it cleaned up with only wiping off with towel.










Now I will re-assemble the starter using a thin film of Slick 50 and sparying with the Corrosion blocker.

Boat has an Inboard with the starter at the 2:00 position which is better than most.

I am happy with the results and I will continue doing it this way for pre-season preperation.

[Something Good]

Nice work. A little PM goes a long way.

[Steve H]

Originally Posted by Wet Fly

This winter we had a discussion on inboard starter corrosion. I finnally pulled the starter and I thought I would post what I found. Pre-season last year I over hauled it using Slick 50 grease and Corosion blocker spray.

The boat is moored at Newport for 6 months at south beach marina.


The first picture shows very little rust on the starter gear and some on the starter shaft. The fly wheel has plenty of rust as I cannot get to it without pulling the engine so I only spray corrosion blocker through the mounting hole. I am assuming that the rust came from the fly wheel and collected with the grease and oil.

The second picture shows that it cleaned up with only wiping off with towel.










Now I will re-assemble the starter using a thin film of Slick 50 and sparying with the Corrosion blocker.

Boat has an Inboard with the starter at the 2:00 position which is better than most.

I am happy with the results and I will continue doing it this way for pre-season preperation.

I own a starter and alternator shop. The starter in my opinion is the highest maintenence item on the boat. If everyone disassembled and cleaned their starter on a regular basis, say at least once a year. Most problems would disappear. The problem these days are the fact that many boat builders are making it near ipmossible to get the starter out! Making a yearly starter inspection pretty tough.

Steve

[Pilar]

A little alteration using a chainsaw and some help from Streamside made that problem a painful memory on my 'Kismet'.

Now I can reach the starter and remove it without taking half the engine apart or removing it from the boat.

Where do you get the special grease, Wet Fly? Nice post BTW.

[Metal Manipulator]

I have very little left. This tube I have had for 10 years. Time to find some more.

[Chrome Bumper]

Citigo Mystik JT-6 Hi-temp is a good grease, doesn't sag when warm, 450F drop point, good water resistance. We buy and have looked at a lot of grease and this is gooood stuff.

[Dan9113]

My starter was bad this spring. Had to pull riser and manifold to get to the starter. Wish that they had a better setup. Takes a mirror and a flashlight and a lot of effort just to get a peak at it, much less trying to get a wrench on the dang thing.

[Metal Manipulator]

I've had my bendix rust and it will not work. This is the one thing I can do something about. So far, it has happened at the dock and no amount of tapping with a hammer would help. So to avoid this problem at sea I have done two things, clean and use corrosion preventive grease and spray.

Next is I have a spare starter. I am lucky as my starter is accessible so changing it out at sea would not be that difficult.

[Grady252]

Originally Posted by Pilar

A little alteration using a chainsaw and some help from Streamside made that problem a painful memory on my 'Kismet'.

Now I can reach the starter and remove it without taking half the engine apart or removing it from the boat.

Where do you get the special grease, Wet Fly? Nice post BTW.

This has come up on a couple of posts... and I would not recommend other's follow the lead and start taking a chainsaw and "kitty hair" to your stringers...... Kitty hair may seal up the cut, but it does not have strength... roving, or carbon fiber would add strength, but wont make up for missing stringer.

I know it is not always popular to speak up, but sorry. Cutting a stringer near a 1000 lb V-8 engine, is not good news. That boat was engineered to with two solid stringers.....

I am sorry it is an incovenience and nearly impossible to get the starter out, but I would hate to see guys doing this with any regularity, because of this post.

Boats are designed to hold the weightt and torque of those engines and then we usually beef up the engines for more torque and better fuel economy, and then we weaken the stringers??

Sorry there is always one in the crowd.... and tonight and maybe other times it is me.....

[Pilar]

Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Maybe you would have a different opinion if you actually knew what was done or saw the modification.

Removing an engine from a boat to change a starter is not a reasonable maintenance procedure. Making a critical component of the engine difficult to replace is more detrimental to boat safety than reducing the cross section of a stringer by 25% less than a foot from the end of it and three inches from the factory reduction of the stringer cross section. That is my opinion. I'm not asking anyone else to do this and I appreciate your concern.

My name is John Wells and I have repaired several fiberglass boats and completely rebuilt one fiberglass boat. I was born at night but not last night. I might know something about it.

Your mileage may vary.

[Grady252]

Nice to meet you John Wells.... My name is John Whiteside, and I too have repaired a boat or two.

The details of you're modification were not in your original post or this one. My main concern was all of the other people in the Ifish world reading the posts that might think it is a great idea to take a chainsaw and kitty hair to their boat stringers. It was simply an opinion and if it were my boat I may have seen it the same way you did. As I said in my post I certainly would not want other to follw suit and start cutting their stringers.

I build houses for a living and many times I do not see why the engineers put such extra work upon us as the builder, but the "calculations" say so, so I build it the way they say. I do not cut 25% off of a glue lam header that was sized for a 16' garage door opening. If I did I would not be in business to long.

Just mentioning a concern, so we don't have old or new salty dogs sinking..

[Pilar]

The devil is in the details. There are so many things I would love to document and photgraph. But I really need a personal assistant to do that for me.

No telling who is reading this but most I have met would not dream of using a chainsaw on thier boat.

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[Chrome Bumper]

Sometimes you shouldn't use a chain saw on fiberglass boats. A recipricating saw or skilsaw may provide a better cut and not leave behind an oil film requiring clean up.

As an engineer I'm poking holes in interfering marine structures all the time. Some of the vessels carry ABS and CG certification, and their inspectors have no truck either.

I wouldn't hesitate to ride in John's boat.

[Grady252]

You so funny!! You shut me down..... sorry to question Pilar almighty.....

I know you would never do anything unsafe in your opinion..... It is just opinions vary....although you are very active with ifish there are many new ifishers regularly. Now you have a nice disclaimer so you can say or do whatever you want.

I am glad to see you got a salty boat..... because the Newport Coast Gaurd told me it was only a matter of time till you killed someone in your other, but I am sure your opinion was that was safe too........ I am sure if anyone said anything you would have thrown out a nice big discalimer.....

So if anyone disagrees with you you simply shut them down with ridicule. Nice way to honor diversity.

[Pilar]

Grady question all you want but seek first to understand. I did not shut you down .. I simply met your attitude with an equal and opposite one.

The disclaimer is a joke and has been here a very long time. I think it was Crabbait who first used it.

Working on the structural part of a boat is not something I would recommend for most boaters.

I forgot to mention that when I talked about solving the starter access problem. For pointing that out I say thank you.

[Chrome Bumper]

the Newport Coast Gaurd told me it was only a matter of time till you killed someone

Grady 252, which officer at Coast Guard Station Newport said that about our board's volunteer staff?

[Pilar]

Chrome Bumper .. let it go .. I did.

[Chrome Bumper]

Aye.

[Something Good]

Originally Posted by Grady252

You so funny!! You shut me down..... sorry to question Pilar almighty.....

I know you would never do anything unsafe in your opinion..... It is just opinions vary....although you are very active with ifish there are many new ifishers regularly. Now you have a nice disclaimer so you can say or do whatever you want.

I am glad to see you got a salty boat..... because the Newport Coast Gaurd told me it was only a matter of time till you killed someone in your other, but I am sure your opinion was that was safe too........ I am sure if anyone said anything you would have thrown out a nice big discalimer.....

So if anyone disagrees with you you simply shut them down with ridicule. Nice way to honor diversity.

Insulting people is not really what this board has been about in the past. Hopefully some of the newer members will not make this a future practice either.

[Grady252]

Originally Posted by Something Good

Insulting people is not really what this board has been about in the past. Hopefully some of the newer members will not make this a future practice either.

SG,
Practice what you preach.....I have read many of your posts....


To all others:
The original intent was not an insult nor was it said with attitude. I know Pilar has been around and has many ifish friends he is fully capable of defending himself and the two of us have discussed it.

Anyone who wants to start throwing stones go ahead. I did not start out with an insult or anything. I simply said I had a concern and I knew it wouldn't be popular, but I wanted to point out a concern that I did not want others to start cutting their stringers that were engineered for the boat as a result of this post.

Then a response was launched accross my bow "I have repaired a boat ot two".... "I was born at night but not last night"......."I might know something"

I then said sorry I didn't know te details of your repair, but I still don't want the ifish community to start cutting into their boat.....you can all see the response.....I should not have stouped to where I went, I should have taken the high ground and ignored it.

With a crystal ball and time machine I could change it..... as to the coast gaurd comment I should not have said that..... It was a true statement, but I should not have said it....

I do appologize to the ifishers who were subjected to this. It certainly shows that I need to be careful mentioning a concern or I might be attacked and when I defend myself I will be jumped on my many.

Remember honor diversity of opinion and allow other to differ, or there is no need to even discuss. We can turn this into an article written by one person. As a writer Pilar can respect the ultimate freedom of expression, and others should do the same without insults either direction.

[Something Good]

Grady252, sorry if you feel we are jumping on you. I simply feel at times your posts are insulting and unwarranted...this is one of those times and again it's my opinion.

John cut his stringer. He's a smart guy and probably didn't do anything that would cause a problem. It's not his place to protect everyone from themselves nor is it yours. All of our posts would look a little different if that was the case:

Hi I'm Grady252 and I went fishing at the bannana bank and caught some really nice halibut. Please don't try this if you do not own an ocean worthy vessel in good operating order. You should have a vhf, gps, and radar. You should also be familiar with bar crossings, coastal navigation, reading tide charts and weather forecasts...

Doesn't make for very entertaining reading if we are all worried about what someone else might do.

[Grady252]

Originally Posted by Something Good

Grady252, sorry if you feel we are jumping on you. I simply feel at times your posts are insulting and unwarranted...this is one of those times and again it's my opinion.

John cut his stringer. He's a smart guy and probably didn't do anything that would cause a problem. It's not his place to protect everyone from themselves nor is it yours. All of our posts would look a little different if that was the case:

Hi I'm Grady252 and I went fishing at the bannana bank and caught some really nice halibut. Please don't try this if you do not own an ocean worthy vessel in good operating order. You should have a vhf, gps, and radar. You should also be familiar with bar crossings, coastal navigation, reading tide charts and weather forecasts...

Doesn't make for very entertaining reading if we are all worried about what someone else might do.

SG,
I agree to some extent, but this board is full of people offering warnings and contrary opinions on a regular basis. Some people ask for opinions and others just offer them without being asked. If I was the first person to ever disagree on this board it would be a different story. People tell others all the time "if you have to ask your not ready" "I wouldn't go far with that small of a boat" "you should start small and work your way up"..... That is what this board is truly all about..... info sharing even if it is different opinion or concern.

Secondly, I will repeat my first and second posts were not insultive or unwarranted in the least.... I did stoupe down and get insultive on my third post as a defense, but Pilar drew first blood with his second and third posts (punn intended on Rambo)...... Is it OK for Pilar to be insultive, because he has been around for a while, but if I do I am a new guy stepping out of line and we hope others don't do it too?

I have a had a run in with you as well when I said something about a North River and others probably saw it.

Most people on this board share info and will have a debate of sorts or clarify if needed, but there are a few people who get a little a little defensive if they get questioned, or if the info shared is contrary to what they believe. It has nothing to do with new or old we should all be open minded and if we want to point out a safety item it should be done without undue recourse. I am not a lay down type of guy who will curl up if attacked..... I usually meet resistance with an equal or greater amount of resistance..... not good bad right or wrong, just my nature....:smile:

I don't doubt for a minute that John is a smart guy and he probably did a nice job cutting his stringer, I still don't want others who have trouble to start cutting their stringers. Additionally, I think I am a smart guy as well....:smile: As a builder I know I could build a home that would not fall down if I didn't nail 25% of a sheer wall, or if I reduced the size of the headers by 25%, they used to get by with a lot less and the houses are still standing. Not to mention I couldn't pass inspections...:frown: Things that are designed and engineered should be modified with caution I guess is what I am saying.

Lastly, since so much if this conversation has gone public I must also say what I said to Pilar and he agreed..... he is one of the "original salty dogs" and also a moderator (also human). But because his role on ifish he is held to a higher standard and should not result to the type of insults and defensive posture in his posts.

I really enjoy the discussions on this boards and I have been around a bit.... I like to share info concerns, get info, ask questions, share when I get new toys.... only a group like this can apprecitate it. My wife doesn't want to here about my new fishing reels.

I appreciate your response to this message in a very positive productive discussion rather than continuing insults.

[Pilar]

Man .. you guys are making put on my moderator hat.

This is turning into an argument. I feel like my dog crapped on the carpet.

SO let it go and knock it off. If you feel like arguing do it in PM.

Thanks. Read the live tuna report and dream the dream.

[Something Good]

Sorry John. I'll stop typing and log off now.

[Chrome Bumper]

Tuna?, not just yet, not done trying to whack salmon in the Big C. You mentioned TUNA! and now my mind keeps fading to blue..., nice one.