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Old 06-07-2007, 04:25 PM   #1
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Default Elk calf survival rates/NEO fyi

Talked to an ODFW fella at the store yesterday who was getting some munchies for his drive to the Wenaha. He was part of a team that was radio-collaring elk calves to figure out why the survival rate was so low........

Hmmm, they need a "study" to figure that out? Good grief, they already KNOW!

Here's a related story from the local paper.


http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/news...story_no=10623


POOR ELK CALF SURVIVAL RATES CONTINUE
Published: May 4, 2007


A Starkey bull struts its stuff. Bull elk numbers are up in the Starkey Unit and the east portion of the Mount Emily Unit and down in the Catherine Creek Unit. Starkey had 11 bulls per 100 cows, up three from 2006.
Photo/JIM WARD


- Dick Mason
- The Observer
The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife's eyes in the sky have mixed reports for deer and elk hunters in Union and Wallowa counties.
Elk bull numbers are generally up. Elk calf and deer fawn numbers are down.
The high-altitude viewers are biologists who take plane flights over the region each fall and spring to make deer and elk counts.
The best news biologists have to report this spring comes from Wallowa County. Biologists spotted 1,349 bull elk, the most recorded since the Wallowa County counts started in 1969, said Enterprise ODFW Biologist Pat Matthews.
The bull elk total topped the old mark of 1,176 spotted last spring in Wallowa County. Matthews credits the bull elk increase to regulations limiting the number of bull elk that can be taken in some units.
"We've been managing it for bull survival,'' Matthews said.
The bull elk recorded are those seen by biologists while flying over specific routes. Biologists estimate how many elk and deer are in an area based the number of animals they count. Wallowa County has an estimated 14,600 elk, which remains below the ODFW's management objective of 17,050.
On the down side, elk calf survival continues to be a problem in Union and Wallowa counties. In Wallowa County there are about 19 elk calves per 100 cows. In Union County the number varies between 18 and 22. These ratios are far below the number needed to sustain hunted elk populations, said La Grande ODFW Biologist Jim Cadwell.
Elk calf survival is likely to be down because of cougar predation. Cadwell noted that an ODFW study in the Sled Springs and Wenaha units indicates that about 70 percent of radio-collared elk calves are killed by cougars. Predation is believed to have increased dramatically since 1994 when Oregon voters approved a measure prohibiting the use of dogs when hunting cougars.
Deer fawn numbers are relatively low in Union and Wallowa counties because of cougar predation and other factors.
In Wallowa County, deer fawn numbers remain low for the second consecutive year, Matthews said. The reason for the shortfall this year can traced to a hard 2005-06 winter and the wet, cold spring in 2006. Fawns born in 2006 were in poor condition and many did not survive. The fawns that made it to the next winter in Wallowa County, however, fared well.
"We had good fawn survival, but we don't have as many fawns because fewer went into the winter,'' Matthews said.
The ODFW's survey information will be given serious consideration by hunters as they consider which units to apply for deer and elk tags from. The tag application deadline is May 15.
Following is a more detailed look at the ODFW's deer and elk count findings.




Wallowa County



Elk
Calf survival, as mentioned earlier, was 19 per 100 cows, a disturbingly low number. However, calf survival was again significantly higher in the Imnaha Unit with a 36:100 ratio. Although the number is lower than in previous years, biologists are still encouraged. The reason? Elk calves in the Imnaha Unit, because there so many open areas, are less susceptible to cougar predation, Matthews said.
Elk congregate in herds of 100 or more in these open spaces. The herds are less susceptible to cougar attacks because there are so many animals together watching for predators.



Deer
There are 12 bucks per 100 does, down from 18:100 a year ago. Poor fawn numbers are part of the reason. There are 35 fawns per 100 does, similar to the spring of 2006. But that's a sharp drop from 2005, when the ratio was 59:100.
Biologists estimate that there are 25,200 deer in Wallowa County, 61 percent of the ODFW's management objective.





Union County



Elk
Bull elk numbers are up in the Starkey Unit and the east portion of the Mount Emily Unit and down in the Catherine Creek Unit. Starkey had 11 bulls per 100 cows, up three from 2006. Mount Emily East had six bulls per 100, up three from 2006. Catherine Creek Unit had 18 bulls per 100 cows, down six from 2006.
Elk calf survival rates are down slightly in the Starkey and Catherine units and up a little in Mount Emily East. Starkey had 19 calves per 100 cows, down two from 2006. Catherine Creek had 22 calves per 100 cows, down two from 2006. Mount Emily East had 18 per cows, up two from 2006.



Deer The number of bucks appear to be about the same as last year. The buck-to-doe ratio is up in the Starkey Unit but down slightly in Catherine Creek, Mount Emily East and the south portion of the Wenaha.
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Old 06-07-2007, 06:52 PM   #2
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I wonder if they have the scappoose numbers yet? Has any body seen any thing on the west side?
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Old 06-07-2007, 08:26 PM   #3
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[quote=Mad Mikey;1551814]Talked to an ODFW fella at the store yesterday who was getting some munchies for his drive to the Wenaha. He was part of a team that was radio-collaring elk calves to figure out why the survival rate was so low........

Hmmm, they need a "study" to figure that out? Good grief, they already KNOW!

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Well sure they know. Unfortunately, they have to keep spending money on these studies to "prove" it over and over so they have updated "Environmental Impact" records (legal ammo) because at any time HSUS, Sierra Club, Cougar Coalition and who ever else could fire up a law suit and halt the Cougar removal that is finally happening in the target locations.
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Old 06-07-2007, 09:41 PM   #4
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If you don`t hunt shut up about my hunting ,Nature has a balance and we need to keep it
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:26 PM   #5
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I agree, NATURE should keep its balance.

I am part of nature and I help keep the balance.

According to one of the more recent studies that ODFW staff has conducted, cougars are responsible for 74% of elk calf deaths.

We knew this would happen, but we had to conduct a study to prove it to the HSUS so ODFW would not get sued for removing cats without facts. That's okay, ODFW is answering all the questions and hunters are starting to gain some new ground.

1 cougar = 52 deer or elk deaths per year.

1 hunter = 1 deer and 1 elk death per year.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:27 PM   #6
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If you don`t hunt shut up about my hunting ,Nature has a balance and we need to keep it
I agree, nature should be allowed to keep its balance. Predators and prey are both part of that balance.

In science, there is no proof, only support of a theory or disproval.

Studies do need to continue because trends don't show up over a couple of years, particularly if the study species is at all long-lived. And jumping to conclusions when it comes to management has never panned out to have been a good idea.

I'd like to be able to take my grandkids hunting, so I'm gonna keep trying to find out what is throwing nature off balance, and keep working to try to help nature keep her balance.
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Old 06-08-2007, 03:53 AM   #7
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Well sure they know. Unfortunately, they have to keep spending money on these studies to "prove" it over and over so they have updated "Environmental Impact" records (legal ammo) because at any time HSUS, Sierra Club, Cougar Coalition and who ever else could fire up a law suit and halt the Cougar removal that is finally happening in the target locations.
I guess you're right about that. I'd rather see the $$$ spent hiring Craddock and his dogs but there always needs to be a paper trail eh?.........
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I guess you're right about that. I'd rather see the $$$ spent hiring Craddock and his dogs but there always needs to be a paper trail eh?.........
If 2791 passes today, ODFW will be able to let Craddock volunteer......saving around 100k per year.......let's hope it goes through.......still time to send emails.....
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I also think this has been covered before but Bears are also part of that problem over there that is why they need the bear hunters in the spring so bad.
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ODFW study in the Sled Springs and Wenaha units indicates that about 70 percent of radio-collared elk calves are killed by cougars.
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:44 AM   #12
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Most likely this is the final stages of the ODFW Elk Nutrition and Predation Study that has in the works for years. This studay was necessary to provide scientific data to support the ODFW's plans to support ungulates by controlling the predator population. The study is almost completed but recently released numbers do prove that predation, NOT habitat/nutrition are primarily responsible for the declining elk recruitment numbers. The predation was attributed to 74% Cougars, 12% Bears and 3% Coyotes for a total of 89%, while the remaining 11% consisted of "other causes" which included nutrition.

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