does anybody know

boater · 05-01-2001, 06:53 PM

the survival rate for a salmon caught with single pointed barbless hooks as compaired to multiple treble hooks ??

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SLEDDER · 05-01-2001, 07:47 PM

Only God would know that, I am sure multiple treble would cause more fatalities.

SureSet · 05-01-2001, 08:07 PM

I can't tell you compared to a single hook, but I know that statisically the survival rate is better then one caught in a gillnet. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

SureSet

boater · 05-01-2001, 08:08 PM

i`m sure they do too, i just wanted to know if anybody knows what it is, i am going to e-mail wdfg and ask them why we were allowed to use treble hooks on the columbia, we were closed down due to the esa impact, if the impact from single barbless hooks is half of what trebles are then the season should have lasted twice as long.

MetalHead · 05-02-2001, 03:33 AM

Boater just my personal opinion and a little expirience. Single barbless hooks would have a higher mortality rate. I know now your going to ask why. Here goes, multiple treble hooks as on a kwikfish, flatfish, magwart cause most hookups to be on the outside of the mouth (by outside I mean very little intrusion into the interior of the mouth. Were a single hook is much smaller and the fish take it deeper I base this on the fish I caught using a single hook on a rainbow spinner this year. The fish hooked with the single hook spinner took it much deeper than the same spinner with a 2/0 treble.
Just my .02

TheRogue · 05-02-2001, 05:30 AM

Seems to me that there was a study in SST about something like this. The idea of trebles actually causing less damage makes perfect sense. Large trebles would tend to hook around the edges of the mouth, a single siwash would be more likely to go somewhere deeper in the mouth. I personally prefer to use a 2/0 single siwash on my salmon spinners on the Columbia just because of this. Deeper hook = less long distance release [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Of course, if you're talking bait fishing, this becomes a different chicken, because the fish generally takes the bait in deeper anyway.

IMHO

T.R.

Carver_OR · 05-02-2001, 06:16 AM

At one time on the Deschutes we had to use single barbless hooks. After a few years of using siwash hooks on our plugs and spinners the F&W seen that a wide gap single barbless hook penentrates deeper than a trebel hook. Many of the fish caught on a wide gap siwash had the hook into the eye of the fish or deep into the roof of it's mouth causing the fish to bleed. I seen many a flouting dead steelhead on a single barbless catch and release river. Boater...you might want to contact the Oregon dept of F&W and ask them.
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Tanner · 05-02-2001, 06:18 AM

You definitely stand a better chance of hooking a fish deeper with single siwashes. I was fishing the willamette this last winter for steelhead using wiggle warts with 2/0 siwash hooks on them. several of the fish I caught had actually swallowed the plug and were hooked very deep. Because I caught so many native silvers out there in November and July. I decided it would be best if I went back to trebles. Using a very sticky treble hook totally eliminated this problem. Unfortunately it also resulted in more lost fish and short strikes.

212hjet · 05-02-2001, 07:23 AM

Idaho has a 5/8" gap maximum, probably to related to your question and thoughts posted here. Has anyone tried using a single octupus hook for this type of fishing?

FishinMission · 05-02-2001, 12:58 PM

I'm with ****** on this one. Trebles don't usually go down the throat. Always one or two in the jawbone....and the fish usually come to the boat.

05-02-2001, 11:17 PM

I use 1's for trebles on my spinners. 99
percent are no deeper than the jaw or
outer mouth area.

boater · 05-06-2001, 08:42 PM

ok, then how come in some rivers up here such as the chehalis where in past years you could not keep kings and you had to use single point barbless hooks., what was the point of doing that ??

jawbreaker · 05-07-2001, 06:56 PM

I believe that if you are going to release a fish then its easier to get the hook out if its a single point barbless verses a treble hook. Especially if all 3 barbs on the treble are imbedded in the fishes mouth. The problem is that there isn't a size specification on the size of the hook you can use. The bigger the better for lower mortality rates with a single point hook. A 5/0 or 6/0 is going to kill less fish than a 1/0. I think we were using 6/0 for back bouncing below bonneville and we didn't have any that were bleeders using that size. Before we were using a 3/0 or 4/0 and I got one hooked deep, then we moved up to the 6/0 without incident. On a small river in low clear water I could see why it would be a concern to use a big gaff of a hook when stealth is important. Anyway, thats my .02
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