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03-31-2007, 08:52 AM
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King Salmon
Join Date: Nov 2003
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What planet are californians on?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070331/.../falcon_rescue
I about had to do a doubletake when I read this article.
Apparently, eons of successfully rearing young from precariously high cliffs and rocky ledges is not enough to satisfy these do gooders.
I mean really, are the birds going to have to fly into a hospital where the snakes and the mice and the hawks and the squirells are all equals, in order to have their chicks in an approved location or have them taken away by the state to be reared in a lab?
Sometimes folks just need to l eave mother nature alone.
You know what I mean
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03-31-2007, 08:59 AM
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Oregon, USA
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Survival of young reared on bridges is extremely rare. Try it yourself sometime.
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03-31-2007, 09:07 AM
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: What planet are californians on?
I don't see a problem with this. These birds didn't evolve around human made structures. What seems like a suitable nesting site to them sometimes has some pretty dangerous conditions like traffic, downdrafts, etc.
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03-31-2007, 10:12 AM
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Chromer
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: What planet are californians on?
(The peregrine falcon was removed from the federal government's endangered species list several years ago but remains fully protected under California law.) Sounds dumb to me to try and save this protected bird .They should probably focus more on the pigeon.  What do ya think?
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03-31-2007, 10:22 AM
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Administrator
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Sounds to me like they are trying to help the species thrive ... on one hand, the removed eggs will probably have a better chance of surviving to wild through artificial rearing, but as the article points out, "By removing the eggs from the nest, scientists hope George and Gracie will return to their old nesting site and lay new eggs within a few weeks." Sounds prudent to me.
Now, if we could just re-establish condors in the Columbia gorge, that would be really cool!
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03-31-2007, 10:52 AM
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The Mods Must Be Crazy!
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Re: What planet are californians on?
I dunno. Given the many ways we screw things up for wildlife, I'm thinking that helping Mother Nature out once in awhile isn't "dumb".
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03-31-2007, 11:36 AM
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Re: What planet are californians on?
When I attended UC Santa Cruz back in the 70's the Birds of Prey program was one of the best in the nation.........I bet they are even better thirty years later. I would leave this one to the experts. At least you got some negative California bashing into IFish.....good on you.
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Last edited by BCF; 03-31-2007 at 11:38 AM.
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03-31-2007, 12:43 PM
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Sounds sensible to me. Now the lawsuit by some tree hugger organization in No. Ca. to implement a 1500.00 fee/year for all recreational boaters (including kayaks and inflatables) sounds pretty stupid to me.
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03-31-2007, 01:04 PM
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: What planet are californians on?
I hate it when these wildlife experts try to save an animal by glueing a 2lb radio transmitter to their back or hang a collar(bright orange or blue or lime green)around their neck then send 'em out amongst their predators.
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03-31-2007, 01:22 PM
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King Salmon
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Next thing you know they'll be putting brightly colored collars on geese, wait a minute, never mind.
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03-31-2007, 03:03 PM
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Earth
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03-31-2007, 03:54 PM
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King Salmon
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Was it Tom McCall that said DON'T CALIFORNIANISE OREGON.
DAB
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Last edited by DAB; 03-31-2007 at 06:29 PM.
Reason: Originly didn't mean the F---WORD so changed it.
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03-31-2007, 04:32 PM
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Steelhead
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Re: What planet are californians on?
I hope it doesn't cause cancer.
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03-31-2007, 04:52 PM
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAB
Was it Tom McCall that said DON'T CALIFORICATE OREGON.
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He didn't say that but we got what you meant.:blush:
BCF still astonished at how insecure Oregonians are about California.
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03-31-2007, 06:00 PM
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King Salmon
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sandy Oregon
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Re: What planet are californians on?
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John Chapter 3 Verse 16
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Once a PARENT always a PARENT
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03-31-2007, 06:22 PM
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King Salmon
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Portland
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Coming home to Oregon is ls always a warm feeling after out of state, but them banjos are still kinda spooky.
Some of you don't get out often do you?
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04-01-2007, 12:23 PM
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Oregon, USA
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishsetter
I hate it when these wildlife experts try to save an animal by glueing a 2lb radio transmitter to their back or hang a collar(bright orange or blue or lime green)around their neck then send 'em out amongst their predators.
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You're missing the point. They do it for a reason. Sure, it might put the animal at a disadvantage, but then better methods will be employed to find the answers to questions we all should be seeking to keep hominids from killing this planet.
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04-01-2007, 01:10 PM
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Oregon, USA
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Re: What planet are californians on?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCF
He didn't say that but we got what you meant.:blush:
BCF still astonished at how insecure Oregonians are about California.
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Until something good comes from California, I'll be insecure about it! Oh, wait, they brought the wine industry here...Oh wait again, their wine isn't nearly as good as ours....hmm?
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