Birds for training

gottafish · 03-01-2007, 02:35 PM

Hey guy's I need the number to that place out in Esticada that sell the birds ? Anyone? Or any where else that has them cheep close to portland. Also if any of you guys have a pigon trap just sitting around let me know.
THEY TELL ME IT TAKES BIRDS TO TRAIN A BIRD DOG! anyway Also looking for a remote launcher to borrow or rent. My pup is a way's away from needing this stuff but Im trying to get the stuff rounded up to train effectively. Cheers Rich

Hawk · 03-01-2007, 03:11 PM

fish, PM sent.

gottafish · 03-01-2007, 04:17 PM

Thanks Hawk, But I have one of those already.

Hawk · 03-01-2007, 04:36 PM

I searched the earlier posts and it said "Call Marie at 503-632-3052 Estacada bird farm".

gottafish · 03-01-2007, 04:47 PM

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I searched the earlier posts and it said "Call Marie at 503-632-3052 Estacada bird farm".

Thanks Bro I called them. CheersRich

hawg boss · 03-01-2007, 05:02 PM

Sounds like you got what you need already, but you can usualy get birds at the Woodburn auction. Pigeons are usualy cheap there.

gottafish · 03-14-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hawg boss

Sounds like you got what you need already, but you can usualy get birds at the Woodburn auction. Pigeons are usualy cheap there.

When and where is that auction?

billc_sbio · 03-14-2007, 04:47 AM

Gottafish,

I've gotta wonder...

Do you even HAVE your pup yet?

Then, another thought for you.

For Bird Dogs, often "Introduction to Birds" is a ways down the training schedule. There's lots of basic training to be done before a young pup is introduced to live birds (for several good reasons).

I know it's always nice to have all your sources, vendors, supplies, etc. all lined out in advance, no problem with that.

Just wondering?

gottafish · 03-14-2007, 06:52 AM

Yes, I know the drill On bird intro and training Ive traind a few over the years. My point is I want to get some breeders now so I can train the offspring to home. That way when training useing the remote launcher and starter pistol I can just reuse the birds. I can do this over and over. The last time I did this I went throught a lot of birds as many didn't make it home after We started shooting them. This is how ever my first pointing breed. That said Ive done a lot of research and I am following "the perfect start and the perfect finnish" Training pragram Bird are introduced at a pretty young age. Like 3 and 4 months of age. granted its not heavy training at that age but its an introduction.

billc_sbio If you have any tips or advice Id love to here it IMHO this is a thread that should have been done on here a long time ago. Kinda break from the wolf/sky is falling thing. Oh yea My pup will be here on Saturday

We will just be getting to know the pup for a few months teach him his name and come and work on the potty trainning.
I just want to have all the ducks lined up for his scheduel. And I believe haveing a good supple of birds will make his learning curve much shorter.

Any way this Vidio series I bought has been recommended to me by several guys that told me it really worked out well.

In this birds are used used at a very early age with favorable results. That said another train of thought is along the lines of Delmar smith. Delmar believed that you shouldn't train till a year old. These many different systems that produce good dogs And Im really reaserching all of it. Im not going to do any field trial I got burned out on them when I was trainning my labs. This is just going to be a hunting dog not a trial dog so I'll flex a bit on thing I could care less about unless its a needed part.

I would like to hear your thoughts as well as others on there methods and systems used? Cheers Rich

billc_sbio · 03-14-2007, 07:28 AM

Gottafish,

Cool!

Yes, there sure are a lot of Training Methods out there.

I've always figured the "trick" between Pro-trainers and casual amateurs (there ARE some highly skilled Amateurs out there) is that the books, vids, magazine articles show you "what to do", and this often works well.

But, sometimes it doesn't!

And the difference is the experienced "Pros" usually know what to do next, whereas the amateurs may hit a brick wall.

One thing I might mention to you is that even though you may have become "burned out" on the Retriever Trials, you might consider running/training your pup in some of the Port-Van Pointing Dog Club's trials.

These NSTRA based picnic trials are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from a Retriever Trial!

These are "Shoot to Retrieve" trials where dogs (seriously for Derby and Open dogs) are run head-to-head in two dog braces. They're effectively "mini-hunts" with numerious live birds (Quail) planted and each Handler/Gunner has an assigned judge. Dogs are then scored on their finds, retrieves, ground race, and obedience (as well as extra points for honoring another dog's find 1X ).

These are all the traits that you'll want your gun dog to exhibit, and by running/comparing your dog with others, you'll get good feedback about where your dog stands in comparison with other trained dogs.

These picnic trials are really fun to run in and the cost, $15/dog at last check, isn't prohibitive. They're great training aids as there are some very experienced trainer/handlers there to help with training problems, meet fellow bird dog enthusiasts and avid fellow bird hunters.

Where else are you going to be able to run your dog with/against other bird dogs on a minimum of 5 Quail for $15?

I used to be very active in this until they switched their club trial days to Sundays, which is a work day for me, and I had to drop out.

Here's a pic of a big, registered NSTRA Trial. Same rules, just longer braces, judges horse mounted and running against the "big boys".

gottafish · 03-14-2007, 02:01 PM

15 bucks is A bargan but I work on sundays as well. LOL The cheapest I have found quail is 4.50 each.so 15 bucks for 5 is a steal What methods did you use to train your dog?

billc_sbio · 03-14-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gottafish

15 bucks is A bargan but I work on sundays as well. LOL The cheapest I have found quail is 4.50 each.so 15 bucks for 5 is a steal What methods did you use to train your dog?

I can't guarantee it's $15 anymore (that was ~5 yr.s ago), but I'm sure it's still not too bad. They buy their birds in quantity ~100/day probably and sometimes get in on bird "futures" (not sure if they're doing this anymore, spot the farm advance $$$ on chicks for the season ahead).

I've attended a Delmar Smith seminar, have videos by Bob Wehle (Elhew Pointers Kennel) and another fellow (who I really liked his 1-man technique & hoisting-whoaing method/s to steady a dog on point), don't recall that trainer's name right now. So actually several different trainer's methods melded into my own.

Geez, wish I had all those VHSs in DVD form now!

MarlinMark · 03-14-2007, 04:32 PM

Did you two know that you work together?

Mark

scottishsetter · 03-14-2007, 06:04 PM

How old is your pup?
It's claimed that seven weeks is best, so you and your dog BOND. Keep that pup in your pocket for a month.

barnyard121 · 03-14-2007, 06:37 PM

I do pointers and have been working under patty macnary for 2 years and i am 16 years old, and i workd with Dan Mars for a couple of weeks i wish dan was over in oregon more. what i have learnd is its all about the dog some pups can start very soon some pups u have to wate until 7+ months. i take my pups EVERY WHERE! and let them see everything, plus its a good way to pick up the girls with a puppy lol, but have fun with your pup.

gottafish · 03-14-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MarlinMark

Did you two know that you work together?

Mark

No Kiddin? Im on shift 4