Ok why are the Elk around my house not reconized by P&Y or B&C

toas243 · 02-19-2007, 06:53 PM

They say they are the I-5 elk cross between Rocky and Rosies

gottafish · 02-19-2007, 06:56 PM

Yea ,but they look cool and taste great and the fact that they are not recignized Is cool because it cuts down on trophy hunters. More for you Big shooter!!!

toas243 · 02-19-2007, 07:52 PM

Ok I`ll live with that ,I had a big one 71 yards from me during archery season ,and I`am sure he lived through rifle season ,maybe next year I`ll invite him for dinner

gottafish · 02-19-2007, 08:12 PM

Well if you ever need help Im just a Pm away. LOL

sliverpicker · 02-20-2007, 04:07 AM

A bull killed around Molalla qualifies in both P&Y and B&C as a Rocky Mtn Elk.

Don Becker · 02-20-2007, 04:46 AM

Okay, I'll ask the stupid question . . . I thought any elk West of the Cascades was considered a Roseveldt. Don

sooslaw · 02-20-2007, 05:49 AM

They sure look Roosey to me. I have yet to see one on the west side that looked like a Rocky, but I havent seen to many up high. How bout you cascade hunters?

Bendman · 02-20-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Becker

Okay, I'll ask the stupid question . . . I thought any elk West of the Cascades was considered a Roosevelt. Don

I thought it was any elk west of I-5.

Anyone know for sure?

sliverpicker · 02-20-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bendman

I thought it was any elk west of I-5.

Anyone know for sure?

Okay, I'll tell you again. For scoring purposes only, I-5 is the divider. West of I-5 they are scored as Roosevelt, east of I-5 they are scored as Rocky Mtn.

Even though the elk in the foothills around Molalla, Estacada, Sandy, Silverton, Stayton Sweet Home, etc. etc. are primarily Roosevelt elk, they are scored as a Rocky Mtn elk. In Clackamas County when you get in the upper drainages in the Cascades the bulls will look more like Rockies, and many migrate east and winter on the east slope of the mountains. I can't comment about the southern regions of the Santiam unit, never hunted it.

johndeeregreen · 02-20-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sliverpicker

Okay, I'll tell you again. For scoring purposes only, I-5 is the divider. West of I-5 they are scored as Roosevelt, east of I-5 they are scored as Rocky Mtn.

Even though the elk in the foothills around Molalla, Estacada, Sandy, Silverton, Stayton Sweet Home, etc. etc. are primarily Roosevelt elk, they are scored as a Rocky Mtn elk. In Clackamas County when you get in the upper drainages in the Cascades the bulls will look more like Rockies, and many migrate east and winter on the east slope of the mountains. I can't comment about the southern regions of the Santiam unit, never hunted it.

I'll second that.

Chesapeake · 02-20-2007, 11:43 AM

For the SW Washington guys.

Boundries specified by SP apply.

The elk in the I-5 area extending east to the cascades in my experience are a bit of a cross but have much more of the Rocky Mountain traits the closer you get to the cascades.

Right around the I-5 area and west the elk seem to have more Rosy traits.

In the Washington Book they add a region for Cascade Elk. This region is the area beteen I-5 and the Pacific crest trail (often used to define the center line of the Cascades for border uses).

To me this makes the most since as it makes a separate designation for the "Melting Pot" area.

Don Becker · 02-20-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sliverpicker

Okay, I'll tell you again. For scoring purposes only, I-5 is the divider. West of I-5 they are scored as Roosevelt, east of I-5 they are scored as Rocky Mtn.

Even though the elk in the foothills around Molalla, Estacada, Sandy, Silverton, Stayton Sweet Home, etc. etc. are primarily Roosevelt elk, they are scored as a Rocky Mtn elk. In Clackamas County when you get in the upper drainages in the Cascades the bulls will look more like Rockies, and many migrate east and winter on the east slope of the mountains. I can't comment about the southern regions of the Santiam unit, never hunted it.

'seems to answer my question. Thanks. Don

in 'em · 02-20-2007, 02:13 PM

It's wierd...same for blacktails...

Personally, the hunt means more than the score. You'll make the ifish book with anything you kill!

Where I hunt in the Cascades, the bodies are just as big as coast range elk...their Roosie's to me. While some elk may be crossed, I believe their are far more Roosevelt elk in the Cascades than Rocky's.

BrianMaguire · 02-20-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by in 'em

It's wierd...same for blacktails...

Personally, the hunt means more than the score. You'll make the ifish book with anything you kill!

Where I hunt in the Cascades, the bodies are just as big as coast range elk...their Roosie's to me. While some elk may be crossed, I believe their are far more Roosevelt elk in the Cascades than Rocky's.

Way back when, there were Rocky Mtn Elk released on Mt Hood. ODFW then released coastal Roosies. I have no idea which were native to the Cascades so I don't know how that factors in. The bigger antlered bulls are Rockies so both Pope and Young, due to the potential for hybrids, count them as Rockies.

For Blacktails there is a zone in which both Mule deer and Blacktails reside, these two types can and do interbreed, again for the same reason as elk, they are counted towards the harder of the two species.

toas243 · 02-20-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gottafish

Well if you ever need help Im just a Pm away. LOL

No problem

,we get very few hnters with bow and arrow out here

Steelmeal · 02-21-2007, 01:25 PM

I have a herd on my property and they appear to favor the Rocky mtn, although I'm not real experienced. I can attest to them being very tasty.