Wild Steelhead Purveyors...

This is to important not to do something about. So ostracize me for posting about it or don't.

I was in Pike Place Market last evening and happened upon a fishin vendor that sells Wild Steelhead, for $3.99 a pound.

Since you like to take the time out to post on fishing forums, take the time out to give these fellows a bad time.

They have a web site at www.cityfish.com

Here's your chance to make a small difference.

And the fish were beautiful, by the way. Last time I caused a scene, knocked a table over and ran off. I don't think I'd get away with it twice.

Get up and get the courage to do something about it.

I dare ya.

Bye ya all.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Angie, thanks for saying something about this, and don't worry about the razzing..that guy's from Forks...nuff said.
j/k

Places like that need to be given a hard time, I agree. They also need to be boycotted....even the friggin' tailgate vendors.

The really sad thing is, that Pike Street Vendor probably paid $ .50 a pound from the tribal nets for the wild steelhead. I wish I had a price tag on my heritage and so-called religion.

Some people really like to play politics if it benefits them, even though it may not be morally correct. "Hey but it's legal, and I'll keep on doing it until the regulations say otherwise." --what a line.

Personally, sometimes it's ok to keep what you catch, but don't do it every time you go out. If a river has both a hatchery and nate c & k limit, why not just c & k the hatchery ones? That's what you are paying for.

[Trick]

Supply and demand. No demand, no supply. Problem is 95% of the general population, have no clue what they are even looking at when they go to market. The Starbucks crowd that probally shop these locations wouldn't know the difference bewteen a chum and a steelhead, wild or hatchery, net pen or gillnet harvested. It's sad that there are way more ill-informed consumers than educated ones.

I'd also wager to bet that in a blind taste test, most once-a-year salmon eaters wouldn't have a clue as to the taste difference bewtween a farmed or wild fish. The market is flooded with these net-pen raised fish and I'd like to see it expanded to the point where it drives the prices down to where non-native and native gillnetters go out of business.

I'll email them with my .02. Thanks Angie for bringing this up.


I went to the website and nowhere on their products page does it show steelhead? Besides I can't find an email adress anyways. Am I missing something?

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Angie, do you know what the US Constitution is?. Or the difference between conscience or conscious. What constitutes harrassment?.
How about?...lets not give anyone a bad time,and all just try to get along?!. would that not be unique?.
One World One people One planet...?.
other wise...we all go down...we the people...are the managers...duh

[Pete]

Any idea where these steelhead are from? In Oregon it's illegal to sell wild steelhead, but we do see Idaho farm-raised steelhead.

[Trick]

Pete, my understanding is that it is legal for the natives to sell there catch to the general public. I've never bought a steelhead native caught or farm-raised, from anyone nor would I if I didn't know for sure the origin of the fish. I refuse to support the practice. We vote with our dollar.

If I'm incorrect, I'm hope someone will correct me.

[Osprey]

Hey anadromous1,I thought you were from Vashon Island?????

As much as it pains me to agree with the originator of this post,I've already sent off my flavorfull e-mail....Os

[Hairball]

I was their last weekend and made a big seen about the wild steelhead they were selling. After I was done about half of their customers were gone.

[Tanner]

I just sent mine. I hope I went to the right place. I went to the Pike Place Market Link/Contact Us/ and then to the Lady at Customer Concerns. We need to let them know that they will be losing customers over this. Thanks Angie.

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Work is for people who have an expensive fishing habit to support.

We have lawbreakers...Bust a deal...face the Wheel...Goolag.
sad times when the masses are ill informed...
Ignorance is no excuse to break the law. Let us use our tools properly,to educate.With new tools come new laws.
So Beware and Be Savvy

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Anadromous1 - you never cease to make me smile and sometimes laugh with your superior intellect in your posts. The only thing you could probably quote from the Constitution would be the "right to bear arms". And how is what Angie doing constituting harrassment?
Please enlighten me on this one...muh ha ha ha
I guess you've never seen a picket, a million man march, or have cable television because politicians, celebrities, organizations, etc. get ripped apart all of the time, so in your intelligent post, wouldn't that also be grounds for harrassment?

All right my little sheep...baaa for me.

[birdhunter]

anadromous1 (D.J.Luna).......I think.....your argument......might..be...better.....recieved...if ...you......punc..tu..a..ted...your............sen tences. I seem to recall you preaching just the opposite on a different board:

"well bob...I was raised with...manners...
if you don't have anything good to say about someone...then...say nothing."

"so...do the right thing!...do not spread hate and discontent...you reap what you sow.
if ya' don't...well a virus will..."

"To the minions...as i said...we need more hate mongers like we need...more legal advice...or legal parasites...as even honest Abe said..."One day...lawyers will become the bane of us all",and he otta know...he was a member of the parasite club."

"As for the wild steelhead coalition...scary!
organized groups are not...organized...they are formed...and they are all corrupt...can you say...Religion...blak..yuk.."

As much as I personally disagree with some of Angie's bravado, she makes a very important point. You don't seem like the sort of person I would want for a guide. I have to question your own motivations for posting on this board. You seem to be giving us legal advice and your own interpretation of the constitution. Have fun ripping him apart boys. This one should have been thrown back.


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[DanS]

Hey a1,

Forks? Vashon? Well, which one is it? The writing style is unmistakable, so it's obvious who you are, just not where you are.

So which amendment to the Constitution provides for the right to sell Native steelhead? The a1 Amendment? I do believe there IS an amendment that guarantees our right to let City Fish know what we think of their business practices. Your solution is "Ignore it and it will go away."? Nice.

We call guys that post only confrontational garbage and no useful information 'Trolls'. So far, you're meeting the criteria.

[Jim]

I just sent them a ummm....nice email....I asked for a response from them regarding their apparent exploitation of a precious NW resource for the sake of money...if they do not respond I will send out an email to my 2500 names on my monthly email newsletter. We will see if they respond.

Thanks Ang...it is frustrating...and it is legal...but that by no means makes it right or just.

Jim

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

For those of you that are sending them emails, do realize that you are sending emails to some company in Maine. If you are sending an email to the link found at the bottom of the page, then that's where they are going. Best bet is to call their phone number, speak to Jon like I did, and have him hang up on you.

[Backlash2]

Geez.....the guy didn't even tell me his name before he hung up on me
I would highly suggest everyone follow Yall's lead and call the number--1-800-334-2669. It's for a good cause, and it's a lot better than pissin' all over other people on here....Best of all, it's entertaining

Thank you Angie for posting this info! Please keep us posted about this and that goes for anyone else who gets info on this.

Peace Angie. Important issue. I called
him too.

Rick

Right on Angie! Thank you. ... The Pike street market is very publicly attended and media covered. It would ba a good place to have an anti-wild steelhead selling protest march with signs - and alerted TV newstations for coverage. Any other suggestions? I would like some for what to do about other markets that sell netted wild steelhead! I don't know how many there up in NW Washingon - I don't think thre is any down in Oregon? - RT

[AuntyM]

Ifish is the perfect place for a blacklist... "Please do not patronize this establishment."

We can email it everywhere!!!!! Anyone familiar with the legalities?

[garyk]

Credit to you Angie for spotlighting that fishmarket's practice and telling us about it.

Let those rants from the Forks guy slide by. I've never heard a good thing about that place and his posts certainly do nothing to change my opinion of it.

[Steelheader69]

Hey Ang, good post. I did the calling thing myself. Was hung up on. I don't know if he's busy or been flooded with these calls. I had a hard time getting through, and then he was very rude when I even mentioned Wild Steelhead.

I don't know what's up with A1. What's up with the constitution bs? Everything in this country started with a protest of some sort. What about the Boston Tea Party? First major boycott of this country. Many more since and alot have contributed to positive responses as long as they've been done in a peaceful way. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Especially when one thing is legal for one person but not another (I'd love to be able to have in my possession and be able to sell wild steelhead and KNOW that the resource was healthy to sustain it). I guess we should say "Let's keep the dams, they're helping to keep agriculture with water and some extra power for people so let's ignore their presence and let everyone just be". It's ludicrious.

I applaud you Ang, very positive post. It's hard to believe I'm reading a post where Ya'll make sense....LOL

Jerry

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[superfly]

Hey Angie, Thanks for the effort and the turn around, I hope we can be at Peace, Even though you don't know me from the man On the moon. You did put a dig on me on your site, but hey no hard feelings here. I know , just doing business. Any ways I think we should definatley put together some kind of protest at the market, note it shouild be on a saturday when they are swamped and we could be very damaging to there business. Also we should contact the big 3 news stations in town and make sure they are well aware of it. Hey you guys from the 60's Hoe about a sit in or something? works for me.
But lets do something and make a difference.
Peace Superfly

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If you want to run with the big dawgs then get your ass off of the porch!!

Well...Oh...My...Goodness!...buy em if ya can't catch em...ya like to eat trout!...we all know wild fish taste better than farm raised...where on earth do you think the natives sell there fish?...on the side of the road?!...not all. Being an urban city dweller you otta get to the Pike Market more often...Hoh river nates are stacked up like cord wood...when in season...even when sporties can't catch em...do to closures and low returns...mismanagement...ect
It's like TV...if you don't like the subject matter...turn the station...or just turn it off...ya know?...you don't have to buy?!.
Are you a tree hugger? or do you use...toilet paper?...hmmm
crazy...but...cute...lights on but nobody is home...

[WildHawg]

I must say, that is the kind of civil disobedience I like to see.

[MetalHead]

Thanks Angie, I made the call and Jon is not a very nice fellow on the phone. I dont think he likes his sudden popularity with fishermen.

[Osprey]

I called 5 times yesterday also,the last 3 times as soon as I got the words Wild Steelhead out.....dial tone.

BTW Ahole-1 how do you compare the Wild Steelhead Coalition to a corrupt religious group
These members are trying to make a difference and improve this very precious resourse......what have you done

How you got these two topics associated together is beyond me.....get Real......Os

An for the rest of you,how do you all of a sudden welcome her back with open arms,just because she finally posts a fishing related topic ,COME ON!!!! she told her little buddys to cause some of us bodily harm
and now it's all good......

Sorry Guys I don't forgive and forget very easily especialy when my friends or I am threatened.

If you want to act like a man (threats )I'll treat you like one!

Oh BTW this same topic has come up several times on Bob's board already,we got the same response then too......Os

moderate this......................

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[Master Baiter]

Censored by postee!

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[scooby]

I go to pike place for lunch once or twice a week and have noticed that the word " Native" is not as big on the sign anymore. but the fish are still there.

Tshickam, hit the nail on the head, it is a supply and demand thing. although, I believe we need to work on the SUPPLY side of things - remove the nets. The demand will always be there, especially when it is soooo cheap.

Strength in numbers = political power. look at all the different groups out there that have political power. WSC from what I can tell is a great start and, I for one, plan to provide my support and hope that over time a difference can be made.

Although if a protest is organized at the Market you can count me in as I think this can't hurt and may be fun.

A1 - the constitution and freedom of speach is exactly what gives us the right to protest - to express our dissatisfaction with something. geez dude get a clue....


scooby

[smilesforu]

Its nice they give you a 800 number to complain...their dime . Os you got them on speed dial yet?

The three major Seattle television stations have been notified. Let's hope that this gets some coverage.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Sadly enough Fobb, the only coverage they will receive will probably be an email notifying the news employess of the great lunch specials or the specials for St. Patty's Day News people don't touch this sort of thing...unless a politician got caught sticking a cigar into one.

[SAUKit2em]

One more restaurant to avoid:

I was at the Palisade restaurant on Elliot Bay in Seattle last week and I was disgusted to see WILD QUINAULT STEELHEAD listed under seafood entrees. I happended to be there with this hottie I've been seeing (thanks again Superfly and Pam for the hookup) so I had to bite my lip and not say anything. Good thing she didn't order the wild steelhead because I would have lost it. I love that restaurant but I'm not eating anywhere that advertises wild steelhead as an entree. The Quinaults net the Quinault, Queets, Chehalis, Hump, etc, etc. So who knows where the advertised wild "Quinault" steelhead is really taken from.

I did, however, grab a hold of a *live* steelhead that was in the saltwater fish pond at the Palisade. It was pretty funny and I got some weird looks but the damn thing was just sitting there motionless in the pond next to our table and I had to touch it. He didn't even mind when I rubbed his belly but the little lingcod got ****** when I touched him and went completely postal. BTW, the fish in the Palisade ponds are not there to be eaten and are for your viewing pleasure only.....at least I hope.