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Old 02-16-2017, 01:12 PM   #1
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There is federal law regarding this situation and the landowner could be sentenced to up to one year in jail and $1,000 fine. Under the Unlawful Inclosures Act 43 USC section 1061-66, If the citizen blocked from trying to use the public lands feels compelled, they can file a citizen affidavit with the US Attorney’s Office in the proper district, and the United States is required by law to file a civil suit against the landowner or the party creating the unlawful enclosure. It is nice to seek agreement and help from relevant law enforcement as the article indicates but they may not always be willing or fast to act – the UIA, a Congressional Act, is another option. There is also federal regulation addressing signs specifically, 43 CFR 4140.1 (b)(7) (7), Interfering with lawful uses or users including obstructing free transit through or over public lands by force, threat, intimidation, signs, barrier or locked gates – punishable by a $500 fine. In some cases there are also state laws such as hunter harassment but they are rarely used or enforced.

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?p...edition=prelim

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Rings familiar. I was looking for this type info last fall.

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Old 02-16-2017, 03:06 PM   #3
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Rings familiar. I was looking for this type info last fall.



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Old 02-16-2017, 06:46 PM   #4
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I think I saw some on the West side of HWY 395 Northside unit. I'm sure it was BLM land that was posted.
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I think I saw some on the West side of HWY 395 Northside unit. I'm sure it was BLM land that was posted.

Buy the onyx mapping software and the next time you are in that area it will tell you if it's public or private
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:26 AM   #6
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Buy the onyx mapping software and the next time you are in that area it will tell you if it's public or private
Yea, unless their map is wrong. Which it is a lot.
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:22 AM   #7
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Yea, unless their map is wrong. Which it is a lot.
Can you provide a specific example?
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:22 AM   #8
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Yea, unless their map is wrong. Which it is a lot.
I thought you could use theirs in court? Or is that the other one?
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:43 AM   #9
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Yea, unless their map is wrong. Which it is a lot.


Yes and the DA will have to prove that their information is more current than yours.

Now I would not hunt within 100ft of a private property line unless fences because of accuracy variations of gps, I am rather confident of the accuracy of incorrect signage found in large tracks of land or the signing off a public road.


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Old 02-17-2017, 09:54 AM   #10
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Can you provide a specific example?
They only update ownership once a year if that, anything that changes after you buy the chip or the download is out of date. More current than a paper map but definitely not real time.
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They only update ownership once a year if that, anything that changes after you buy the chip or the download is out of date. More current than a paper map but definitely not real time.
I understand that. I'm looking for an example of the OnX map being wrong. By wrong I mean not the landowner, but the property boundary. I don't care that John Doe sold the property to his brother James Doe, but I do care if the property line boarding public land is significantly off (wrong).
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:33 AM   #13
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Can you provide a specific example?
yes, grant county.
Crib notes version since it wasn't me....

"Freedriver" crosses State land, land owner calls the cops. Stater shows up and says my GPS says it's State land as well, LO says you're both wrong, call the county. County gets called and it's private and has been for many years. OnX gets called and says "oh well not our problem".

They don't come close to updating every parcel, for every state, on an annual basis.

OnX also has a disclaimer that states their maps may suck....

"The accuracy of the data used to create these maps varies greatly. These maps are to be used for reference, recreational, and entertainment purposes only. onXmaps, Inc. is not responsible for any inaccuracies and no responsibility is assumed for damages or other liabilities due to the accuracy, availability, use or misuse of the data presented."

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Old 02-17-2017, 01:26 PM   #14
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That happened near here years ago. The guy with the complaint killed himself in a car wreak before it ever got to court!
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:07 PM   #15
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Crazy. An OSP sergeant told me to by the OnX maps because that's what they use to determine land ownership while in the field.
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:26 PM   #16
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Public land being unlawfully posted does happen-fortunately not a lot. As far Onyx maps or other services/maps being wrong-private land is swapped/traded for public land but it is rare. Usually those transfers are larger parcel timber co. lands that were logged and of no further use to the owner(at least for 50-100years till regrowth) so they'll trade them for timberland. Say 2500 acres logged for 250 timbered for example. At times gov't agencies will desire land that is critical winter range-calving grounds-migration corridors or public access points to larger parcels of public land (often times landlocked by private) that are owned by private or timber co. and will negotiate a swap. Those deals are normally well publicized though. I personally wouldn't risk incarceration or a shoot out on my Onyx chip or dated paper map if it was posted.
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Old 02-17-2017, 03:16 PM   #17
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Old 02-17-2017, 03:20 PM   #18
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County map says this a public road. It's time to aggressively fight to take our land, roads and road access back from timber companies and private ranches.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:11 PM   #19
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We hunt some property in Washington that is actively partrolled by guys who have placed signs such to discourage use of public easements. The sheriff has been called nearly every year. Its a mess be we continue hunting. I believe there should be a large fine charged for actively blocking access to public land.
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