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Old 02-16-2017, 11:23 AM   #1
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:29 AM   #2
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"We're fighting about these issues here when we're seeing a lot of hatchery production slip by us." - Steve Flick

So what is your side doing about hatchery production other than wanting more of what is out there?

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Old 02-16-2017, 11:45 AM   #3
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Either Align with Washington or enforce the original SB830.

Stall tactics is all the nets want.

They could sort and release LIVE Steelhead and ESA species THIS YEAR on the main stem.

They just prefer the easy pickens and no regulations. "We been doing this for 50 years" etc etc..
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:22 PM   #4
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There is nothing to negotiate or settle. There is/was a plan and SB830 since Kitz days and that was the agreement. Kate Brown just chimed in with reverse course now letter. Most of us are in no mood.

If CCA, etc want to lose credibility and supporter confidence and energy, then by all means let the gill net and it's political donors dictate the terms yet again.

I would rather have an all out blood bath, donate gobs of money for lawsuits, petition, attend meetings, skip fishing for 2 years, march, protest, bad mouth this circus until . . the promised promises are met.

Meeting the other side half way has always gone badly for the sport angler. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. People show you who they are the first time, believe them.

Let the gill netters come to us. Otherwise, slam the door shut and lean hard on the gill net apologists in Salem.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:25 PM   #5
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I don't see how the commission can stand its ground against the governor's letter.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:37 PM   #6
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"We're fighting about these issues here when we're seeing a lot of hatchery production slip by us." - Steve Flick

So what is your side doing about hatchery production other than wanting more of what is out there?

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I know Steve Fick must be really upset over NOAA reducing lower river Tule production and steelhead plants....right?
What other hatchery reductions is Fick referring to?
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:31 PM   #8
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I know Steve Fick must be really upset over NOAA reducing lower river Tule production and steelhead plants....right?
What other hatchery reductions is Fick referring to?
Reduction of tules could lead to more BC/Alaska interception of other chinook.
The other is the recent announcement from the corps of engineers about privatizing Willamette system hatcheries and possible reductions in summer steelhead and spring chinook...still not a done deal, though.
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I know Steve Fick must be really upset over NOAA reducing lower river Tule production and steelhead plants....right?
What other hatchery reductions is Fick referring to?
Youngs Bay Rogue River stocks?
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I don't see how the commission can stand its ground against the governor's letter.
Just saying...

She is the one who put them in place. At times, getting them in place was a challenge. She overcame these challenges by canceling meetings, and then calling emergency meetings to swear Buckmaster.

They have earned zero trust.

PS- How about we shift the million springer smolts from the SAFE areas back top the Willamette......you know......the ones the commission shifted down in 2009.
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Either Align with Washington or enforce the original SB830.

Stall tactics is all the nets want.

They could sort and release LIVE Steelhead and ESA species THIS YEAR on the main stem.

They just prefer the easy pickens and no regulations. "We been doing this for 50 years" etc etc..

Really? And how would that happen? The regulatory agencies call the shots on what gear and how
much. Do the sport fisherman lobby to have it mark selective in the lower mainstem? I'm seeing
just the opposite, crying about any mark selective fishery, even just a day or 2 a week.
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"We're fighting about these issues here when we're seeing a lot of hatchery production slip by us." - Steve Flick

So what is your side doing about hatchery production other than wanting more of what is out there?

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I thought it was pretty telling when Steve Fick said Senator Girod had no right to criticize gillnetting.

Senator Girod lives on the North Satiam River. Where fish are made. His district covers 2 salmon producing rivers that Fick thinks his people have a birthright to fish.

Seriously.

CCA. ANWS. And Nsia met with the Army Corps at the McKenzie hatchery summer before last about maintaining their levels of hatchery production. No one from Salmon For All.

Gillnetters do nothing to fight for abundance. And sit and demand their "right" to harvest every fish that swims past Astoria.

Pathetic
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If CCA, etc want to lose credibility and supporter confidence and energy, then by all means let the gill net and it's political donors dictate the terms yet again.
Easy there tadpole. All CCA and the other groups are doing is building on the momentum started at the WDFW meeting, plus the Oregon legislature. And the Oregon Governor to keep the reforms moving forward.

We have the momentum. No one on this side is backing off or changing course
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Easy there tadpole. All CCA and the other groups are doing is building on the momentum started at the WDFW meeting, plus the Oregon legislature. And the Oregon Governor to keep the reforms moving forward.

We have the momentum. No one on this side is backing off or changing course
LOL . . LMBO . . you just keep the heat on. I don't want to hear again how CCA has thought it can't hurt to meet with the other side and cut them slack it will be different this time, bletch.

Like I posted, they always seem to come up with a new twist. So don't go all soft on them anytime soon there big fish.
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I can assure you backing off is not in my nature. Or CCAs game plan
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I can assure you backing off is not in my nature. Or CCAs game plan
I have to do a lot of Yoga Calm workouts over this stuff. I'm in my Naked Hairy Locust pose now LOL. Thanks for all the effort you put in. Not abandoning you or accusing you . . just skeptical we'll be happy with the April 3rd result.

Look forward to future posts when you have more to pass along.
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Really? And how would that happen? The regulatory agencies call the shots on what gear and how
much. Do the sport fisherman lobby to have it mark selective in the lower mainstem? I'm seeing
just the opposite, crying about any mark selective fishery, even just a day or 2 a week.
No live release, no harvest. Exactly where things are going.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:26 PM   #18
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Eventually, maybe. I was referring to the "this year" element of your comment.
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I like the provisions of SB 820 and I can't understand how any gill nets on the main stem are even on the table.
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I can assure you backing off is not in my nature. Or CCAs game plan
LOL...I can second that....
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LOL...I can second that....
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:27 AM   #22
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please tell me that someone is talking to the wdfw commission! I am troubled over the fact that they are having off the record meeting with odfw . odfw is trying to get washington to change. this is bull ****! i hate back door deals in government. i would be very surprised if wdfw doesn't come down alot and odfw comes up some.
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My thoughts also, at this point I do not understand the need for meetings that are secret. I think the WDFW is under a lot of pressure both North and South of the state line. I hope they can withstand the pressure.
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My thoughts also, at this point I do not understand the need for meetings that are secret. I think the WDFW is under a lot of pressure both North and South of the state line. I hope they can withstand the pressure.
Both of you are spot on. it's why I posted "they alway come back with a new twist" that blindsides us.
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Eventually, maybe. I was referring to the "this year" element of your comment.
If it were part of the 2017 harvest guidelines, would the main-stem netters have a choice?

I agree not "Likely" this year, but the law would be the law and I believe if given the ultimatum we would see purse nets working fantastically even this year.

The squabbles over which boats gets Youngs Bay territory 1st may be interesting to hear.

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Nobody really "Asked" sport fishermen if they would prefer going to "barbless" hooks. The decision was made with no regard as to what sporties preferred.

I do not see any difference in using selective, live release, nets vs. Kill everything nets.

Time for the "Other" side of harvest to get with the program.
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can kate brown replace a commisioner? sorry to be a novice in ways of politics
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can kate brown replace a commisioner? sorry to be a novice in ways of politics
Yes, without cause even.
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And I'm told there are witnesses that heard her say she'd replace at least one commissioner if the plan was upended.
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I hope that the CCA NISA, and ANWS, do not budge in any of our requests. We are in the right and we should never give in AGAIN. The netters have pushed us over the line, and we need to let them know we're done arguing. Hold the ground folks.


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I see no agreement between the States to change the management. Well into the new year we are.

The Original Agreement should be the law of the land for 2017.

No gillnets allowed on the mainstem. Specially not in areas 4&5 where last year the use of non-selective commercial harvest went over the allowable impacts.
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IMHO the WDFW Commission reached out to Oregon with the extended two years.

ODFW Commission went beyond the scope of adaptive management in the decision to walk away from the prior agreement.

So, I believe the initial plan should be followed.
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