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Old 01-07-2017, 01:47 PM   #1
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I am wanting to buy a new pistol to pack when archery hunting. I usually pack a 9mm but want to leave that at home for my wife and get something a little more stout. I am thinking a 357. Where is the best place to get a good pistol. I am on a budget would like to stay under $500. Thanks for any advice.

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Old 01-07-2017, 02:07 PM   #2
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Maybe one of the Rugers, but you will be a little over budget in a new one.
A Glock in 10mm is a good woods carry, but it too will put you over budget some.

If you are set on a wheel gun you might check the used market.

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We had a 38 Spl Taurus.
I wouldn't go there.
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There will be a big gun show in Albany next year. Good place to put your hands on lots of pistols. I think you can find what you want and in your budget.
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I sure wish someone would make a reasonably priced, 7 (8?) shot, .357 with a 4" or so barrel that was light like the S&W 386 Mountain Lite. I know that's asking a lot, but a guy can dream!

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Maybe one of the Rugers, but you will be a little over budget in a new one.
A Glock in 10mm is a good woods carry, but it too will put you over budget some.

If you are set on a wheel gun you might check the used market.

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We had a 38 Spl Taurus.
I wouldn't go there.
i would think this is about as accurate as it gets, i too would avoid taurus, and look at used ruger sp101, i thought there was one in the classifieds here recently
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1911 Rock island armory in 10mm.
It stopped a bear for me. It'll do better if there is next time now that I have some hot loads for it


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Old 01-07-2017, 03:30 PM   #7
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I have a Taurus tracker. In your price range but don't recommend it.
First one had a bent crane arm. If shot really accurate but the eject rod would hit the gun every time I was closing the cylinder.
They couldn't fix it so they sent me a new pistol after the 3rd time sending it in.. This one shoots low with most ammo. I don't know.
Their quality control is bad.
Another vote ruger sp101. They are almost in your price range.
Get some hot loads with cast bullets for bear.
I do like wreckless idea.

Pic of the ejector rod hitting the frame, wearing out the knurl.

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Old 01-07-2017, 04:24 PM   #8
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And another vote for the SP101.... I can no longer shoot off the shelf wheel guns because of my bionic hand but if I could, I'd want my 4" Colt Trooper back. I've kicked myself so many times for selling that gun....
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Give us more detail on how you plan to use it.




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Old 01-07-2017, 06:45 PM   #11
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I am mainly looking for carrying while out archery hunting, hiking and when the family and I our camping.
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My vote is for a Sig P320. Can be had in 9mm, .40, .357 sig and .45. You can also get caliber exchange kits to go from one caliber to another. You can also go from carry size to compact to subcompact just by purchasing a grip module and a magazine.
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Should be able to get one right around $500
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I am mainly looking for carrying while out archery hunting, hiking and when the family and I our camping.
I carry a .45 xds with 6 round clip in a Blackhawk holster for all my bow hunting and shed hunting. I forget it's on most the time.
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Maybe one of the Rugers, but you will be a little over budget in a new one.
A Glock in 10mm is a good woods carry, but it too will put you over budget some.

If you are set on a wheel gun you might check the used market.

Edit:
We had a 38 Spl Taurus.
I wouldn't go there.
Glock 31,32,33 are all chambered in .357. You can buy one for just over $500.00.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a better round tham the 10 mm.
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Glock 31,32,33 are all chambered in .357. You can buy one for just over $500.00.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a better round tham the 10 mm.
the 10mm has quite a bit more punch than the 357sig
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I carry a .45 xds with 6 round clip in a Blackhawk holster for all my bow hunting and shed hunting. I forget it's on most the time.
Second the single stack 45, mine's a kahr. It's easier to carry and a lot more pleasant to shoot than the 3" sp101 in 357 I had.
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I am mainly looking for carrying while out archery hunting, hiking and when the family and I our camping.
Heck, just get a Glock 19. Do some research, I've read there's no difference in stopping power (as measured by number of shots needed to stop the threat) from 9mm up to .45.

Yes, I said it. Google is your friend.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/01/hand...#axzz4V9IHette


https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alte...stopping-power



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Old 01-08-2017, 02:01 AM   #19
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I usually have my Springfield xd9. I find I like having more amo on me. Its better then any stoping power arguments. The most common threat I might encounter will be two legged anyways and it feels good having 2 mags with 32 rounds.
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Heck, just get a Glock 19. Do some research, I've read there's no difference in stopping power (as measured by number of shots needed to stop the threat) from 9mm up to .45.

Yes, I said it. Google is your friend.

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True.
They are good on humans.

To stop a lion or bear, I would want at least a 10mm.
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10 mm here. 15 round clip... if you can't shoot straight shoot fast ! !
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10mm is my first choice for out of town carry, if you like a wheel gun Ruger is coming out with a gp-101 in 44 spl with a 4" barrel that would make a great field gun.
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10mm is my first choice for out of town carry, if you like a wheel gun Ruger is coming out with a gp-101 in 44 spl with a 4" barrel that would make a great field gun.
Might be nicer to shoot than their 3" 357, man that gun is a handful!
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Ok, I am going to have to do some research. I am not a gun guy and you guys are all talking Portuguese or something to me here haha. Thank you for all the input.
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Ok, I am going to have to do some research. I am not a gun guy and you guys are all talking Portuguese or something to me here haha. Thank you for all the input.
Read the buckeye link first, he did the research. You don't have to be a gun guy. Be sure to buy something with which you will practice. Accuracy is everything, and accuracy comes from practice.





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Couple of thoughts: .38/.357, .44 Special/.44 Magnum and .45 Colt all have commercially made snake/shot loads available.
These are also available in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP.
I like to have a couple of these on board when in snake country, as I surely do not want to be forced to fire a solid bullet at a snake in rocks.
I have been tempted to try one of the Ruger LCRx revolvers. Lightweight, compact, adjustable sights and under $500. Granted it is not a .357, but a .38 Special +P, but I frankly don't enjoy shooting full-house .357 in a small revolver. Not much good in a tangle with a bear, but that's awfully rare. Plenty good medicine for a cougar.
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Ruger Sp-101 .357 five shot 3 1/8" barrel. Great gun ! Ruger Redhawk .357 a great choice also.
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Might be nicer to shoot than their 3" 357, man that gun is a handful!
As you know you can shoot .38 spl. out a .357. Very controllable recoil. You have the option to jump up to the .357 if you feel you need to. .
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[QUOTE=nikkidog;13545601]Ruger Sp-101 .357 five shot 3 1/8" barrel.


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Ok, I am going to have to do some research. I am not a gun guy and you guys are all talking Portuguese or something to me here haha. Thank you for all the input.
for practicality, i would get something comfortable and safe to carry, the chance of needing it is so slim....but if it's an extra piece of mind for you, i don't think the cartridge is realistically important.

if you make a poor shot, or potentially poor shot on a bear or cat, leave the mountain, give it time, and go get some real fire power...like a shotgun with slugs, or 44mag or bigger wheel gun (given you are archery hunting)

...or just take your chances i think a wounded bear is the most dangerous animal in our woods, and a mortally wounded bear is very hard to kill, you need something big enough to turn them off, putting more holes in them sounds to not be good enough most times.

at the rate archery hunters die from the local wildlife, i don't bother packing anything but my primary weapon, but if i ever make a bad shot on a bear, i will go back to town and get some adequate fire power before tracking....maybe same with cougar, in that case, 00 buck would be my preferred tracking choice.
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If you formerly carried and are leaving your 9mm at home for your wife, why not consider another similar 9mm. You have the ammo and the feel for the round. I cannot say with full certainty but I believe the gun shop in Corvallis has CZ-75 P01 (alloy frame, 14 round mag) and P07 (polymer frame, 17 round mag) for around $500. Today is Sunday and they are closed so I could not verify. CZ-75s are a 1911 style semi-automatic. IMO they are a fine weapon - tough, sturdy, and accurate. Good luck and I hope you enjoy whatever you decide to get, CopperMan.
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I don't archery hunt but when I'm out with a rimfire or any centerfire smaller than a .270 winchester, I carry a handgun as well. as a true backup, and for backpacking, I like my S&W 329PD. It's no fun to shoot with full power ammo but it is accurate, light, and effective. 25.7 ounces, 6 rounds of .44 magnum, capable of 2" 25 yard groups with 250 grain SWCs at over 1350 fps gets it done. I own other guns to plink with, this one is for killing things and nothing else.
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A few years ago I bought a used Smith 659 6" for $450. It has been a great field sidearm.
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For packing in the woods, to cover all the bases, my vote is for a wheel gun in what would be a perfect packing length (Google "perfect packing pistol"). This will help knowing what knowledgeable professional hand gunners advise.

In the woods, j carry a big bore SA due to it's inherent strengths, ammo choices and reliability. A SA's other feature is the option to reload the weapon even if a case is stuck in one of the chambers.

Second choice would be a DA wheel gun.

Last choice for the woods would be an auto. When dealing with bears, there are virtually no options for proper loads. Use of JHP or soft points when dealing with bears is ill advised. If you doubt that, research what the experts have to say. With bears, you need hard cast heavy loads. SA wheel guns will always out perform auto loaders when it comes to operational reliability.

Now if we are talking about street carry, that's an entirely different ball game with different rules.
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Being prepared is smart. I've seen bears twice while in the woods. I don't prepare based on bears.





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The Ruger SP 101 with the 4.2" bbl and adjustable sights would be relatively light but still controllable. I'd load a 160 grain cast SWC at about 1050-1150 fps. This would have plenty of penetration but the muzzle blast wouldn't be as bad as full house loads.
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I have the SP 101 in 2-1/4". An extra inch of tube length would be nice. Mostly shoot 38 spl as the 357 mags are not fun. Rather pack my XDM 45 Compact with 13+1 capacity with the extended magazine. Weight is a toss up empty. A bit heavier loaded.
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I came face to face with a black bear at ten feet, boy was I glad I had my gun, even if I didn't use it.
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Unless you're going to Alaska or Canada, I wouldn't really worry about bear. Load up for human. But that's just me.
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Striker fired, Glocks, M&P's, XD's and Sigs all make great carry guns the reliability in adverse environments like we have in the PNW matched with capacity make them fitting choices in my book. You can find many of them used for around 500 or less.
Check out the Glock 21 in 45 ACP.
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Striker fired, Glocks, M&P's, XD's and Sigs all make great carry guns the reliability in adverse environments like we have in the PNW matched with capacity make them fitting choices in my book. You can find many of them used for around 500 or less.
Check out the Glock 21 in 45 ACP.
Yep, those Tupperware Automatics just work.
There was a previous post about revolvers being more dependable.
That's an argument from long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Hundreds of thousands of cops can't be wrong with their new age autos.
The dependability argument is gone.

For woods carry in the lower 48 and more power than the 45ACP, I would give Glock 20 (10mm) a look.
Couple that with a Diamond-D Guide's Choice chest rig and you are set for woods carry.

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Yep, those Tupperware Automatics just work.
There was a previous post about revolvers being more dependable.
That's an argument from long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Hundreds of thousands of cops can't be wrong with their new age autos.
The dependability argument is gone.

For woods carry in the lower 48 and more power than the 45ACP, I would give Glock 20 (10mm) a look.
Couple that with a Diamond-D Guide's Choice chest rig and you are set for woods carry.

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"Your father’s lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age."

A 10 mm round will penetrate fat tissue normally about 15" to 18". Big bore SA with 300 plus grain hard cast offer much more penetration. Big bears require rounds that will penetrate at least 30" and leave a serious wound channel. If we are talking about encounters with large bears, there is not a caliber offering in a Tupperware product that I would consider as a carry option. Also, there is not a commercially available 10mm round that I would consider sufficient for encounters with large bears.

And for those who argue black bears are small. I would agree that is generally true, however there are some very large black bears in the NW. In 2015, a 700 pound black bear was killed in a collision with a vehicle by Cowiche. On a bear of this size, there would be a tremendous amount of fat for a bullet to penetrate.
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a 700 pound black bear was killed in a collision with a vehicle by Cowiche. On a bear of this size, there would be a tremendous amount of fat for a bullet to penetrate.
a charging bear will not offer much fat to pass through, it will be head or frontal vitals, both will be relatively easy to penetrate with a good 10mm bullet...but that brings us back, how many are good enough with their sidearms to effectively stop a threat?

you will be shooting under extreme pressure, with a relatively small target...practice, practice, practice!

i always thought of sidearms as a piece of mind, and a noise maker....never really considered them a good way to save your life in the woods....but the woods are pretty dang safe in the first place.

i bet there are only a handful of guys packing in the woods who are good enough with their weapon to make a difference if the sound didn't scare them off....though you could always get lucky with the spray and pray technique.
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Unless you're going to Alaska or Canada, I wouldn't really worry about bear. Load up for human. But that's just me.
Unless you shoot one with a arrow first and have to go look for it
hmmm I wonder where that bear went. Must be laying around here some where.

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The best comparison of a big bore SA to a Tupperware weapon.

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A 10 mm round will penetrate fat tissue normally about 15" to 18". Big bore SA with 300 plus grain hard cast offer much more penetration. Big bears require rounds that will penetrate at least 30" and leave a serious wound channel. If we are talking about encounters with large bears, there is not a caliber offering in a Tupperware product that I would consider as a carry option. Also, there is not a commercially available 10mm round that I would consider sufficient for encounters with large bears.

And for those who argue black bears are small. I would agree that is generally true, however there are some very large black bears in the NW. In 2015, a 700 pound black bear was killed in a collision with a vehicle by Cowiche. On a bear of this size, there would be a tremendous amount of fat for a bullet to penetrate.

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“Stopping” bears with handgun or rifle cartridges

I get asked about this OFTEN. Having killed dozens of bear and guided hunters for dozens more, I have firsthand knowledge. Additionally, I have been hanging around bear guides all my adult life and between us, we’ve seen over a thousand bears killed. We have come to some consensus on the best tools and methods of killing bears with guns.

First, not all bears are the same. Grizzly bears have a much different mindset than the black bears species. To stop a grizzly attack, you will PROBABLY have to kill it, but sometimes all you have to do is to hurt it badly and the bear will become dissuaded. So, when planning to stop grizzly attacks, it is best to use a cartridge that will kill it—the quicker the better. Interior grizzlies normally get no bigger than 500 lbs, but in Montana, I’ve seen interior bears around 900 lbs., but this is very rare. Coastal grizzlies, sometimes known as Alaskan Brown Bears, often exceed 1000 lbs. If you are relying on shoulder or heart/lung shots to kill such a bear, it takes a lot of cartridge. One that will make a big hole that goes very deeply through bone and into internal organs. If you hit him fatally in the chest area, you will then have roughly 15 to 30 seconds to stay alive before the bear learns he is dead. If you are relying on brain shots, it is not all that hard to kill adult grizzly bears. Almost any center fire cartridge of 357 bore or larger with a very hard non-expanding, flat nosed bullet will pierce a bears skull with direct /frontal (between the eyes) hits. From the side angle, shoot them right at the bottom of the ear canal. These two shots are instant death, if you are using correct ammo. The old MYTH that bullets will slide off a bear’s skull is pure hogwash, when using modern ammo featuring bullets that will not mushroom when fired out of a powerful handgun. When using high powered rifles, it is OK if the bullet mushrooms as the high velocity of the rifle bullet, will puncture the bears skull regardless, because of its high velocity. 150 years ago, when the early settlers were heading west, the muzzle loaders they used, fired pure lead (very soft) round balls that would or could flatten out against bone and possibly slide off, leaving only a surface wound, when hitting a bears head. Unless you are using pure lead bullets that are rounded, this situation is no longer a concern.

Black bears are very different mentally, than grizzly bears. Black bears come in red, brown, blonde, and black color phases, but they are all black bear species and should be considered “black bears” regardless of color phase. While black bears have much the same physical qualities (normally smaller) of grizzly bears, they GENERALLY have a much different mindset.

To stop black bears, all you have to do is hurt them; you do not need to kill them. Almost any center fire handgun cartridge will dissuade a black bear if you hit them well with it. The more powerful the cartridge, the more damage you’ll potentially do to the bear, but nearly any black bear will turn tail if he is hit with a cartridge such as good stiff 9mm load. I know this argues against prevailing wisdom, but prevailing wisdom is based mostly on speculation, not real world experience and is not really wisdom.

We make “bear loads” in smaller chamberings such as 9mm, (item 24F) 38 SPL+P, (item 20H) and 357 mag. (item 19A). We do this because a lot of people own those guns and don’t want to buy a 454 Casull or 44 mag. I would have no problem defending myself against a black bear attack (and have done so) with the proper 9mm ammo. I prefer a more powerful/bigger cartridge, but the 9MM will get it done, even on grizzlies, if you take their brain. Of course, making a brain shot under such duress, will take practice and cool nerves.

I hike, ride horses, hunt and fish in grizzly country. When relying on a handgun, I carry a 500 or 475 Linebaugh with heavy hard cast, flat nosed bullets. It hammers grizzlies. Such a revolver weighs no more than a standard Ruger Black Hawk, but has the killing power of a moderately powerful rifle cartridge. I find the big heavy X frame revolvers (500 S&W and 460 S&W) too heavy for hiking in steep country all day, but they do possess incredible power. However, if I am going to carry a handgun that weighs 5+ pounds, I’d just as soon carry a 6 pound rifle chambered in 45-70 that has a longer sight radius, more power and is shoulder mounted.

If I carry a rifle in grizzly country, which I do often, I carry a lever action 45-70 for summer horse pack trips, hikes and fishing excursions. I load it with Buffalo Bore items 8A, 8B or 8C. All three of these loads flatten grizzlies. I carry a revolver chambered in 500 Linebaugh too, along with the rifle. The handgun stays on my person in a shoulder holster and the rifle stays on the horse or in camp, unless I am feeling the need to have it in my hands, which does and has happened and has kept me from being injured/killed more than once. I have used both revolvers and rifles on bears, several times. When I elk hunt in grizzly country, I normally use a 338 Win. Mag. With proper ammo, the 338 Win Mag. is a decisive grizzly stopper. See our items 52A, 52B and 52D, (which will be released before summer 2012) for this application.

There are many in our society who believe the life of an animal has equal or greater value than that of a human. I disagree. A bear is a wild animal, that when not threatening human life, is a wonderful sight. However, when I encounter bears that act aggressively by popping their teeth, woofing, swinging their head from side to side, charging, etc. I shoot them. I do not give them a prolonged chance to kill my wife, children, myself or any one that is with me. When I encounter bears (which I do several times per year) that run at my sight or smell, they are safe from me because I know I am safe from them. When they show aggression to humans, it is irresponsible to let them live as they will eventually permanently harm or kill someone. I don’t care that our governmental wild life agencies are protecting bears. They are generally misguided in this tactic. The notion that bears are a spiritual, magical life form that has value over human life, is a point of view that not only comes from the typical tree hugger groups/mindset, but it is coming from various fish and game agencies, more and more often. I choose to protect human life over animal life, period. The notion that bears were here before us and therefore have rights to maul us, is not only untrue, but even if it was true, I am here NOW and assert my right to be so.

Bear aggression and attacks are far more common that most fish and game agencies want to report. In 2011, in Montana, there were seven REPORTED grizzly attacks on humans. Some of them were fatal to the human. Others simply mauled the human, who recovered from injuries. There were doubtless more attacks, but they happened to capable and prepared individuals who simply killed the bear and walked away, never wanting the problems that come with reporting the incident to “authorities”. I’ve had more scrapes with black bears than I have with grizzlies, but that is probably because there are a lot more black bears in the woods. Do not let yourself be misled by fish and game agencies that claim “black bears are not dangerous” or likewise about grizzlies. There is no need to be afraid of bears, but there is great reason to be informed and prepared. For those who don’t feel the need to be prepared in bear country, that is your right, but what about your obligation to protect your loved ones and others who rely on you? Every time I see an interview with a wild life official explaining away a recent fatal bear attack, they ALWAYS say something to the effect of “such bear attacks are extremely rare bla, bla, bla”. Truth is that bear attacks are not all that rare if you spend time in bear country and even if such attacks were rare, the person that has just experienced one, had a 100% chance of being attacked, no?




Sadly, a Linebaugh is out of the OP's budget.
Gimme a Tupperware 10mm and some of the above "bear ammo".
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A poor mans python S&W 586 x 6-1/2 " long is a nice carry for archery bear. It shoots like a .22 buckmark. None of my autos are close to the accuracy of this pistol. If you can part with the money the titanium S&W 44 mag is 1/2 the weight of the .357

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a charging bear will not offer much fat to pass through, it will be head or frontal vitals, both will be relatively easy to penetrate with a good 10mm bullet...but that brings us back, how many are good enough with their sidearms to effectively stop a threat?

you will be shooting under extreme pressure, with a relatively small target...practice, practice, practice!
This (head shot) was addressed in the article that I posted above.
I can scare the poop out of a quarter-size targ dot at 50' (two hand isosceles stance) and sometimes hit it.
Recently with a 3" barreled Walther 9mm.

Now, under the duress of a bear attack I'm pretty sure that the group would open up a bit !
I would also hope to get started on him much farther out !

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Kinda like fire to the umpteenth degree....critters no-likey fire.
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These words of wisdom from the lengthy but informative post by Direct Drive...

"If you hit him fatally in the chest area, you will then have roughly 15 to 30 seconds to stay alive before the bear learns he is dead."


That pretty much sums up my thinking on the subject!

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A whole lot of hatred for the Taurus....I LOVE MINE! Tracker in .41 mag...light, accurate, no issues after i sent it back when it was brand new. Of course that seems to be the case as I had to with a Remington 700 also, but i digress. The .41 mag is an often under appreciated round. The biggest issue, granted, is scarcity of ammo. However with reloading, that is completely taken care of. I care it purposely, for the purpose of actually harvesting a bear...I usually get excited and forget I have a rifle, or they are out of effective range at the time of harvest.

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Overall Length: 6.3"
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A whole lot of hatred for the Taurus....I LOVE MINE! Tracker in .41 mag...light, accurate, no issues after i sent it back when it was brand new. Of course that seems to be the case as I had to with a Remington 700 also, but i digress. The .41 mag is an often under appreciated round. The biggest issue, granted, is scarcity of ammo. However with reloading, that is completely taken care of. I care it purposely, for the purpose of actually harvesting a bear...I usually get excited and forget I have a rifle, or they are out of effective range at the time of harvest.


If Taurus made the 7 shot Tracker in .357 with a 4" barrel that WASN'T ported (WAY TOO LOUD!!!) I'd buy it!!!

I guess my SP 101 will have to do. I like it. I'm not real accurate with it but it does what it's supposed to do. .357 recoil doesn't bother me in fast fire / minute of basketball type shooting. I wish it held 7 rounds, but I'm not sure why, it's not for gun fighting!

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Sounds like you need the new 8 shot Ruger RedHawk .357

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I guess my SP 101 will have to do. I like it. I'm not real accurate with it but it does what it's supposed to do. .357 recoil doesn't bother me in fast fire / minute of basketball type shooting. I wish it held 7 rounds, but I'm not sure why, it's not for gun fighting!

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I guess my SP 101 will have to do. I like it. I'm not real accurate with it but it does what it's supposed to do.
The SP101 is the strongest built small revolver made. I have one and really like it for carry. When I'm in the woods, my minimum carry caliber is a 44 mag or 45 colt with hard cast gas check Keith style bullets.

Shooting a handgun well takes lots of practice and shooting. One of the best practices is dry firing and learn how to stay on target while squeezing the trigger.

An ex Seal hand gun trainer gave me this advice.....shooting a handgun well is a perishable skill. If you don't continue to practice, your skill level will deteriorate.
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I have never understood to need to carry a rifle and a handgun for protection against anything. If your in country where the chance exist's you may run into a dangerous animal or pot grower, rethink your main firearm! I have vision's of a guy carrying a 375 mag to hunt sitka deer on say Kodiak Island because there are brown bear there and just for safety, have their 500 Smith along and a small light 9mm in an ankle holster. And as a fail safe, carrying the latest fighting knife. You want to known how to better increase your odd's of safety? Learn to travel in that country. And if the problem is pot farmer's, if you know they might be there, don't go there. There was a piece of advice I heard a lot in Alaska. If your carrying a 44 mag for protection against Grizly's, file the front sight off. Won't hurt so bad when the bear stuff's it up your fundament! Another I bet most people have heard is to never hunt alone and carry your 44 mag. If you are attacked by a bear, shoot the other guy in the foot and run like h*ll!
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I have never understood to need to carry a rifle and a handgun for protection against anything. If your in country where the chance exist's you may run into a dangerous animal or pot grower, rethink your main firearm! I have vision's of a guy carrying a 375 mag to hunt sitka deer on say Kodiak Island because there are brown bear there and just for safety, have their 500 Smith along and a small light 9mm in an ankle holster. And as a fail safe, carrying the latest fighting knife. You want to known how to better increase your odd's of safety? Learn to travel in that country. And if the problem is pot farmer's, if you know they might be there, don't go there. There was a piece of advice I heard a lot in Alaska. If your carrying a 44 mag for protection against Grizly's, file the front sight off. Won't hurt so bad when the bear stuff's it up your fundament! Another I bet most people have heard is to never hunt alone and carry your 44 mag. If you are attacked by a bear, shoot the other guy in the foot and run like h*ll!
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As time goes on, it seems like there are more and more desperate people that want what you have.
And are willing to kill you for it.....your truck, for example.
I can think of two fairly recent instances not far from here....
One was fisherman attacked for his truck up on the Wind, I believe.
A shootout ensued.
The other was a pair of desperadoes that wanted a skier's vehicle up near Moulton Falls.
The guy was beaten to an inch of his life and left to die.

There are no more safe areas, although the further from pavement you can get, the better off you are.

I don't carry, but I'm thinking about it. Main threat IMO is human.
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