What have you done to kill our planet today?

[Hogmaster]

I surfed the internet to look at fishing reports, like Chrome Bumper. I used energy that did not have to be used doing it.

What did you do?

[ampersat]

I drove my truck to and from work. A whole two miles. I've been gearing up to ride the bike to work but discovered last week on a quick jaunt that I really need one of those helmet covers. Gonna pick one up later this week.

[Chromaflage]

I exhaled a lot - adding to the CO2 load.

[Hog's nurse]

I lit up our house with Christmas decorations you should be able to see from space!!

[Hogmaster]

Not quite space, Hun. Especially since that one GFCI breaker keeps tripping from overload. But certainly from most of Oregon City.

[MattPark]

I drove my stinky smoke spewing, oil burning truck around for a few hours looking for animals to shoot at. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[baltz526]

i put a bunch of cardboard in the dump trailer, destined for the landfill

[Swamp Puppy]

according to everything i read...apparently EVERYTHING i do i killing the planet. so i just keep on keepin' on and try not to worry about. stress is a killer of people..

[Pagorits]

I lit up the house, released fumes into the atmosphere by painting the living room. Put some plastic in the garbage and had chili for lunch (another assault on the atmosphere). Drove my pickup to the store leaving the more economical car at home.
Above average day.

[yankemnbankem]

I let my cat live.

[Keeper]

Kept the woodstove rockin' all day long


Actually, we just had to replace the old stove with one of those new EPA approved ones but still....

[HOGGEMIN]

My wood stove hasen't gone out for at least a week, since this is my only heat source.

[ampersat]

Hey, don't go knockin' the woodstove. You're heating with a renewable resource there. I'm all a-twitter to put one in my house.

[DAB]

I had 2 bowls of chilli.
My wife keeps spraying that dern air freshner killing the OZONE layer.
DAB

[wildthing]

I killed a fish today and i drove my car in drive instead of overdrive(burns more gas), then i microwaved my sandwhich because it wasnt warm enough.

[Fast Water]

Originally Posted by Hogmaster

I surfed the internet to look at fishing reports, like Chrome Bumper. I used energy that did not have to be used doing it.

What did you do?

Plant a tree and you'll be forgiven.

[RogueFishr]

I worked with my engineer on a new subdivision I have going, where we will build 44 entry level houses in a small, but growing, town in Southern Oregon. I put almost 100 miles on my 8,000 pound diesel pickup. I did recycle almost 200 pounds of aluminum grow lights (not mine). Maybe that helped balance out at least a little of it.....

RF

[bajadan2000]

I eat a large salad for lunch. By consuming these plants, they no longer have the ability to filter biologically degraded pollutants from the air. Also, these plants gave me gas that will further degraded the ozone layer, causing further damage to existing plants, and their ability to function properly.

[johndeeregreen]

unnecessary comment removed

[fishboys]

JDG he who smelt it

[skybuster]

I worked from home all day so my desktop and laptop were plugged into the bonneville grid, along with all the other electronic gizmos that network with the computers.

I also ran my pellet stove most of the day. It requires electricity to run the auger and blower, and spews exhaust out the side of the house. Finally had to turn it off when I realized I was sweating in shorts and a t-shirt in the back office.

And of course my better half has the house all lit up for the holidays right now. It will be interesting to see how much the power bill jumps for this month.

[Stratocaster]

Dumped motor oil in a storm drain, kidding. Brought it to an oil recycle center

[Super Fluke]

I had to drive to work.

[Bartman]

Originally Posted by RogueFishr

I I did recycle almost 200 pounds of aluminum grow lights (RF

Sounds like someone has been working on renewable "sources"

[Jaws]

Originally Posted by Super Fluke

I had to drive to work.

Super fluke, Man I'm confused. In one thread you're 14 years old, and in another You're driving to work. So which is it, 14 or 41....

[Hogmaster]

For all of you who have read this thread but have not answered, does this make you blink, even once? Or do you live by one of the two mantras I hear inside my head all too often:

1) My part doesn't mattter. After all, I have to [insert reason here - like go fishing, go to work, ride my toy, light those lights, turn up the thermostat or...]

OR

2) We are doomed anyway. Our grandchildren have no chance, because the planet is just now reacting to what happened in the 50s, let alone what the US China, India and all the other countries are doing to it today. Has anyone seen compelling evidence that states we can actually reverse the damage?

Party on????

[Fool4FishnHuntn]

Originally Posted by DAB

I had 2 bowls of chilli.
My wife keeps spraying that dern air freshner killing the OZONE layer.
DAB

Now that is funny. Couldn't help but laugh out loud while i read it. Good thing my wife is in bed and didn't hear me.

[Snakebite]

Originally Posted by Hogmaster

For all of you who have read this thread but have not answered, does this make you blink, even once? Or do you live by one of the two mantras I hear inside my head all too often:

1) My part doesn't mattter. After all, I have to [insert reason here - like go fishing, go to work, ride my toy, light those lights, turn up the thermostat or...]

OR

2) We are doomed anyway. Our grandchildren have no chance, because the planet is just now reacting to what happened in the 50s, let alone what the US China, India and all the other countries are doing to it today. Has anyone seen compelling evidence that states we can actually reverse the damage?

Party on????

What damage? If you believe there is, then the media has you by the tail.
> http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=266711
>
>
http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6341044%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pd
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[StickFish]

Man H' way to stomp a hole in what is left of me - and here I was thinking I was doing pretty good yesterday, driving my truck to Salem to the Boat show orientation training to get ready to help give away 5K life jacket. There I was believing that maybe I was doing something right for a change

[lucky2]

Burned 5 gallons of dinosaur juice to go see the brand new grand baby!!

[Irish Pennant]

Thought about it for a second.........

[reeldick]

I drove my car thirty miles yesterday so I could recycle a big bag of styrofoam peanuts.
And I'll take #2, thank you.

[Hogmaster]

Originally Posted by Snakebite

What damage? If you believe there is, then the media has you by the tail.
> http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=266711
>
>
http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6341044%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pd
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Look, I will leave the political feelings out of this. But what can't be separated is scientific evidence that dramatic things are happening to our planet. Discount the film if you choose, but try to explain how glacier after glacier is receeding. Try to explain how core samples of ice that are thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of years old, are no longer available because the ice is no longer there.

Try to explain away the northerly migrations of species that only do well in warmer environs. Try to explain the disapearing polar bear and musk oxen that depend on ice sheets to survive, as they have done for millinea.

Now take all of that and consider why, in the last 100 years, have these changes started occurring and why they are so sudden compared to empirically what can be shown as to have never happened before, at least in the last 660,000 years or so. This is not a political statement, these are statements made over and over again by researchers who are leaders in their fields.

Virtually every day there is more published evidence about climatic change. The polar ice cap is melting, and the scientists studying it are seeing that it is happening faster and faster.

No, I don't believe that you can measure the impact on an individual basis. Or say the impact over one season to the next in a micro environment like Portland. But the trend is clear, and if it is not seen, then frankly I don't think someone has been around long enough or their head is in the sand.

All of that being written, does all of that change mean that we are doing it? Well, let's be real here. What species has ever existed that can and does make such impacts as humans do. Pre-modern man used sticks and hand plows. Now we use machines of incredible size to scrape the surface of the earth. The industrial emissions, the CO2 gases, the excess of airborne particulates, far more than ever occurred from a passing volcanic event are all variables that were not here before the industrial age. Krackatoa caused a planetary missed summer. How many Krackatoas are going on right now? Hmmm... rocket science correlation? Wild speculation?

Regardless. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.

Oh, and BTW, I am old enough to have lived in the 70s when all the discussion was how the emissions would cause global cooling. Now it is warming. It still could be cooling after the warming when all that melted ice forms huge snow storms from an atmosphere laden with water. Nobody knows, right?

The best, I believe, we can do as a species, is to learn to adapt pretty damn quick to a rapidly changing planet. Too many variables exist to ever turn it back to the way it was. Sorta like cloud seeding. It might actually cause vapor formulation over a concentrated small area. But the viability of effecting a (controlled) global change is just as out there as those who (still) deny the planet is dramatically changing.

[jvp]

i flushed

[reeldick]

Read the book "Not By Fire But By Ice." Lots of research went into it. It will open your eyes as to a possible reason for what's happening here on earth. There is global warming and most importantly, the magnetic poles are moving. Pack up your supplies and get ready for the coming ice age.

[Chrome Bumper]

Spec'd out steel parts dug from the ground and refined with coal for a electro voltaic power station, and threw some wood in the stove to boot to add to the fine particulate load.

[Chrome Bumper]

Originally Posted by jvp

i flushed

Shame on you.

[Hogmaster]

One of my staff (a single guy homeowner) told me he left his house yesterday morning with his "Roomba" on. For those not in the know (like me), it is a robotic vacumn cleaner that not only covers the room, but actually learns the layout to become increasingly efficient. It can even do stairs! When it gets done it automatically seats itself back in its charger so as to be ready to go for the next time it is requested to go.

He likes it so well he is planning on his next purchase - A "Scoomba".

Scoomba is an automatic mopper!

Science is key to better living! (At least in the present)

[freespool]

Any chance there is a Fishba on the drawing board?
I'd really be interested in purchasing one of those.




salmon hugger

[Cool Texan]

I have a Roomba too....but my wife gets mad when I call her that.

[mustang66]

Originally Posted by freespool

Any chance there is a Fishba on the drawing board?
I'd really be interested in purchasing one of those.

Sign me up for one of those too!

[Hogmaster]

Originally Posted by Cool Texan

I have a Roomba too....but my wife gets mad when I call her that.

THAT could be measured as a global warming event!

"A 358 degree hotspot was noted in a Sherwood neighborhood today. Authorities noted the scorched earth was also, strangely, covered in blackberries."

[reeldick]

You take your life in your hands when you talk like that.
My ex wouldn't think that was much of a joke.

[Matthewc]

I did most of the above, and have 3 computers running, ohh and my dogs are watching "Dog Sitter" on the TV, in the other room.

[northriver1]

Originally Posted by reeldick

You take your life in your hands when you talk like that.
My ex wouldn't think that was much of a joke.

Reeldick that is why she is the ex. What was the name of her lawyer again, I hear he needs to bill a few more hours out .


I will stay out of this debate other than say science is a long why off from agreeing on why there is warming. But it would not hurt where ever possible to step lightly on mother earth. She is a tough old bird but she can use all the help we can give her.

[taggbro]

I wiped with...

You guessed it.

Toilet PAPER

[choppers]

I drove fast and stopped at every light. I want to know if MN didn't put the natural resource here who did. Oh ya the republican's.

[Abalone]

I tested a thermal nuclear warhead on Tehran this morning.






But it was a dud !

[Hog King]

From "The Independent" a newspaper/media source in the United Kingdom:



Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 10 December 2006



Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

SAVE THE PLANET! EAT A COW!!

[Irish Pennant]

Originally Posted by northriver1

I will stay out of this debate other than say science is a long why off from agreeing on why there is warming. But it would not hurt where ever possible to step lightly on mother earth. She is a tough old bird but she can use all the help we can give her.

"Mars would make a lousy host for the Winter Olympics. Yes, there's the lack of air to consider. But more important, Martian snow turns out to be rock hard. Worse, it is melting away at an alarming rate.
In fact, Mars may be in the midst of a period of profound climate change, according to a new study that shows dramatic year-to-year losses of snow at the south pole. "
Michael Caplinger of Malin Space Science Systems.

[Super Fluke]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Super fluke, Man I'm confused. In one thread you're 14 years old, and in another You're driving to work. So which is it, 14 or 41....

That was my dad.

[Danno]

I recycled 3 beers today

[Cool Texan]

I voted Republican.


(its a joke...a joke people!!)

[Super Fluke]

Originally Posted by Cool Texan

I voted Republican.


(its a joke...a joke people!!)

I had my dad go DRIVE to get pizza.

[fishboys]

Originally Posted by Hogmaster

Look, I will leave the political feelings out of this. But what can't be separated is scientific evidence that dramatic things are happening to our planet. Discount the film if you choose, but try to explain how glacier after glacier is receeding. Try to explain how core samples of ice that are thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of years old, are no longer available because the ice is no longer there.

Try to explain away the northerly migrations of species that only do well in warmer environs. Try to explain the disapearing polar bear and musk oxen that depend on ice sheets to survive, as they have done for millinea.

Now take all of that and consider why, in the last 100 years, have these changes started occurring and why they are so sudden compared to empirically what can be shown as to have never happened before, at least in the last 660,000 years or so. This is not a political statement, these are statements made over and over again by researchers who are leaders in their fields.

Virtually every day there is more published evidence about climatic change. The polar ice cap is melting, and the scientists studying it are seeing that it is happening faster and faster.

No, I don't believe that you can measure the impact on an individual basis. Or say the impact over one season to the next in a micro environment like Portland. But the trend is clear, and if it is not seen, then frankly I don't think someone has been around long enough or their head is in the sand.

All of that being written, does all of that change mean that we are doing it? Well, let's be real here. What species has ever existed that can and does make such impacts as humans do. Pre-modern man used sticks and hand plows. Now we use machines of incredible size to scrape the surface of the earth. The industrial emissions, the CO2 gases, the excess of airborne particulates, far more than ever occurred from a passing volcanic event are all variables that were not here before the industrial age. Krackatoa caused a planetary missed summer. How many Krackatoas are going on right now? Hmmm... rocket science correlation? Wild speculation?

Regardless. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.

Oh, and BTW, I am old enough to have lived in the 70s when all the discussion was how the emissions would cause global cooling. Now it is warming. It still could be cooling after the warming when all that melted ice forms huge snow storms from an atmosphere laden with water. Nobody knows, right?

The best, I believe, we can do as a species, is to learn to adapt pretty damn quick to a rapidly changing planet. Too many variables exist to ever turn it back to the way it was. Sorta like cloud seeding. It might actually cause vapor formulation over a concentrated small area. But the viability of effecting a (controlled) global change is just as out there as those who (still) deny the planet is dramatically changing.

Please explain to me how fast the ice age came on?? And how long it took to melt?. I really need to know this info.

[MattPark]

Originally Posted by Hogmaster

Regardless. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.

Sure, just like something happened when the ice age ended, and it sure wasn't CO2 emissions from a factory or petroleum powered vehicles.

I belive Krakatoa lowered average temperatures by over 1 degree. If our pollution has the same effect, we need to pollute more to cool this place down.

[STGRule]

I don't think anybody is saying that this stuff hasn't happened before. It has and it will again. The problem as some of us see it, is we are ACCELERATING it and that will bring a lot more problems than if it was gradual. Just do one thing a day that DOESN'T have as much impact. And then just feel a little better about your personal footprint.

[Hogmaster]

Originally Posted by fishboys

Please explain to me how fast the ice age came on?? And how long it took to melt?. I really need to know this info.

Thanks so much! Your desire to become educated is so refreshing from some people who just stick their heads in the sand no matter what sort of empirical evidence is shown.

Let me preface this by stating that I am not in any way an expert in the field. Just a lay person who has been exposed to some of the science being applied to your questions.

Surprisingly, it isn't all that hard to detect what was going on in the past by drilling for core samples in the ice. Just like tree rings reflecting what went on in terms of their growth, the same can be done with an ice pack. Times of heavier precipitation, colder temps, what is in the bubbles showing what was in the air at that time and other variables all contribute to the science. Each year there is a warm period and a cold period. Even in ice ages. This is because of the seasonal changes associated with the tilting of the earth, and the sun. Because of that, lterally each and every year can be accounted for in the core samples in the areas of the planet that always has ice. In turn, those yearly records can be graphed and, over time, accurately reflect planetary conditions. They do it at both ends of the planet and the results are very consistent wherever the ice pack is thick enough and permanent enough. That is why there is little scientific debate as to when each ice age has occurred. The scientists do indeed know.

The following link might help you further understand the processes and reflects some interesting findings. You may notice that there is indeed evidence of past quick and dramatic climatic changes having occurred. That is my point. Even if we as a species aren't responsible for it, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.

http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/est/99/apr/learn.html

All I did, BTW, is google "measuring ice core samples" It isn't hard to find credible information on topics for those interested in learning.

And let's indeed consider Krakatoa. If the temps dropped one degree for one year from that singular event, what might year after year after year of additional particulate matter going into the atmosphere mean? One degree? 10 degrees? Ever notice when we get snow that there is a HUGE difference in how fast it disapears when it is 43 out instead of 33?

On the other hand, maybe we should all keep our heads in the sand. It is much more comfy in there...

[ampersat]

SOMETHING IS HAPPENING

But what??? "Scientists say that..." Well, over the decades we've heard dramatically different interpretations on "the data" from "the learned ones".

In the '70's, global cooling was going to kill us all. In the '90's and '00's, it's global warming that's going to kill us all. By golly we're all going to be killed, one way or another, our planet is doomed. We're just not sure how and by what. Maybe it's Hale-Bopp that's going to take us out. Errant comets, cow flatulence, the failure of "nukular" waste containment, bird flu. By the heavens above, we're all going to die, and soon. SOON I TELLS YA!!! REPENT NOW!

As Thumper would say, "follow the money". All of it. Where's it coming from (or who are they trying to take it from) and where's it going?

In the end, our society (across the planet as a whole) won't do squat about anything unless it's an impending catastrophe.

It's the end of the world, folks. Better do something and quick!

[D.B.Cooper]

I dumped dozens of these old 50 lb. bags I had of Diazinon and weed killer into the upper Umpqua River. Changed my oil while I was down there, and tossed that in, too.

Didn't want to ruin a perfectly good Washington River.

Burned 50 gallons of Diesel making the trip, too. Helped to let 'er idle while I was pulled off to pull up stop signs and light forest fires.




Can ya tell I'm kidding?