Oregon City is for losers

[Pilar]

Hello fellow fishers. I had the priviledge of fishing the Clack (1st time in a few years) this morning with a friend. He has been getting some nice fish lately and his neighbor goes every morning and bags 2 or 3 a week. It's been a long time and I had forgotten all of the reasons this urban fishery had lost it's shine for me.

Let me say first that the friend and the perpetrator shall remain nameless, and you'll see why. I've made a few new friends here at Ifish and for the most part they're all good folks, but I digress.........

We met at a gas station to buy some bait and then went over to the 205 bridge to throw it in the river.

We found one other guy already there and he was pretty green. Knew how to cast, but not where and didn't really understand how to drift. Turns out my buddy knew him and while went to the bank he helped out the green horn with his technique.

We fished for a while and my bud went up to the next drift. Pretty soon here comes the neighbor guy down the hill. From a hundred feet away he yells "Hey what the XXXX are you doing here?" I checked him out, he looked totally enraged.

Then "What the XXXX are you looking at" as he stalked over to my streamside parish. "Don't really know what I'm looking at, you're my bud's neighbor right?" I said.

"How did you find this place" he yelled, voice level rising even higher. "I'm omnipotent, I go wherever I XXXXXX well please" I replied. He said, "Put the pole down and lets go".

Up till this point I really believed this was good old fashion bluff and bravado we all engage in when in high spirits. But, no this was different. It was as if the guy had caught me with his wife or something. I laid my rod down and faced him, he turned and marched up the bank to where my bud was blissfully unaware.

I thought, this dude has a real problem and went back to fishing. Pretty soon I hear thrashing and yelling coming from up river. The neighbor dude snuck up on and blindsided my buddy into the river! As my bud tried to get up he grabbed him by the throat and started shaking him. Angry words I couldn't hear went back and forth.

Soon here comes neighbor dude back down the bank to me. He confronts me one more time. "If I ever see you here at my spot again I'm gonna kick your XXX" he yells. "Don't even go there unless you want it right now" I yelled, starting to get really angry. He thought about it and seeing the red in my eyes backed up and went up the bank.

I don't know who this jag off is but he displayed a behavior that is common to Oregon City in general and the Clackamas River in particular. I'm asking all of you Ifishers who have weekdays off to be under the I-205 bridge any weekday morning you have off betweeen daylight and 10 or so. Maybe this clown will come to understand that he does not own the river or any particular part of it.

Keep your head on a swivel because this dingus thinks a fair fight involves hitting someone that isn't looking.

"The earth does not belong to us, We belong to the earth"

Chief Seattle

The bend is your friend!

[Bait O' Eggs]

John,
Sorry you had stress introduced in your pleasure time. I work about 2 blocks from where you were fishing and sometimes stop there to wet a line before work. Never met your new friend, but the place is a dump. Maybe the trash is attracting more trash.

Sounds like a good reason to file charges to me. Kind of hard to fish from the pokey.

[onstep]

What side of the bridge? Where do you park? I'm game. Nothing worse than someone who thinks they own the river.

[fishchaser]

You know, Neighbors like that, you don't need enemies. People were fishing that sight before there were bridges.

People like him give us honest fisherman a bad name. All we want is a fish for dinner now and then. Talk about river rage. That man needs to be banned from fishing until after he has completed a anger management class, after all we are all out there for rest and relaxation. If I want a fight I'll go to a bar.

Next time tell him to get the "F" off and if he wants this sight than he D*** well be there before you.

[Pilar]

Oregon City side, park on the side of the road by the compost pile and RR tracks. Fish right under the bridge. If the guy confronts you, tell him I sent you. He's a salesman and fishes every morning. Look for a white Ford Bronco. I can't wait to meet him again. I won't be so patient next time.

We're drying out a car alarm remote that won't work so my buddy can get his rig back. His clothes too. We'll be going back over there shortly.

The bend is your friend!

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

I pity da foo dat be messin' wit my bud Pilar.

Hey Pilar, give me an address...muh ha ha ha Oh that guy can remain anonymous. I don't need a name, just an address. Then we can fish.

[Master Baiter]

AAAAARRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @#!$&^%

Why does something so relaxing and beautiful like fishing need to get soooo ugly at times! Especially in a non-combat zone.

What an A$$ to avoid the direct challenge and then blind side your buddy. You both should have baptised this ****.

[WheresMyBobber]

Sorry to hear about your experience, Pilar. Since I've lived in West Linn, Gladstone and Milwaukie, I've fished the lower Clack quite a bit. I've never run into the problem you did, but there are some real losers out there.

I'm expecting a call at 11:00 or I'd meet you back down there this morning. Either way, I have most of next week off and would just love to fish under the 205 bridge.

I'm not looking to get into a brawl with this idiot, but it sounds like he needs some company. Anybody want to fish with me under the 205 bridge next Monday or Tuesday morning? I'll be wearing a black baseball hat, or you can email me before then.

Maybe we can explain some fishing etiquette to this "gentleman".

[SLEDDER]

Sorry you had to put up with such crap. I know I would not have been able to keep my composure. I would have taken advantage of my military training, then probably be faced with a lawsuit. My world would have had iron bars for scenery. I wish I would have been there. I would have figured out a way to bushwack him without getting in trouble. WHAT AN ASSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! I could always use a different fishing rod to add to my small collection. Sounds as though he didn't deserve to have one. Was anything done, or said to him to **** him off, or did he just cycle into high gear on his own??

[Olympic Hero]

Hey Good Job little buddy about representing the 3 I's as your olympic hero does day in and day out. It may have been a little harder for me to resist a suplex though.

Intelligence
Intensity
Integrity

Guaranteed to bring your life out of the gutter.

Yeah and they can "git offa my Columbia
River too" with their Oregon City skills
and thrills. See FEAR and BIGFOOT, I am
merely a Teddy Bear in comparison for
standing up for "no brainers" on the
river.

[Gizmo Man]

Pilar:

Sorry about your bad experience. I would suggest that since he attacked your friend, you call 911 and report the incident and have him arrested for assult. This way he is the one with the problem. And you are a witness. 2 against one.

Having a mob mentality after the fact does not fix the problem.

What if someone goes down there alone and faces this idiot and he slugs them.

Use the police, file charges and take him to court for the damages done to your friends property. He will learn.

My .02

Giz...

[OR Coast Range]

This guy didn't know who he was messing with. He wanted the hole all to himself, but now there's gonna be 700 registerd ifish readers (plus all the lurkers) fishing under that bridge just itchin for a fight. Sounds like he better find a new place to fish

[Gregotis98]

Now we are talking about some fun. it's times like this that the net comes in handy and we can show people that they can't be as stupid as they want to be. I say forget the cops for now and teach this idiot a lesson he'll learn. Sounds like he may have bought a batch of meth from the scum in Oregon City. I'm sorry about the generalization here but I too get a bad feeling fishing in O.C. I do'nt dare go up by the falls becuase the regulars do'nt make an outsider feel too comfortable. Lets use our collective power here and teach this one looser a hard lesson!!!!!!!!

[Artwo]

Pilar,
I agree with Gizmo Man, I have been in a few confirtations on the river in the past but none that I thought would get physical. This guy needs to be tought a lesson, turn him in and file charges against him. Next time the person he approachs might not be so lucky and really get hurt. There's no excuse for this kind of behavior towards fishing. Protect our sport and do the right thing don't try to handle it yourselves, two wrongs don't make a right. My .02 worth.....

JK

[SLEDDER]

Pilar, I think that a few of us that can, should meet at a pre-determined time and if he is there go down in 1's or 2's and start fishing. We wouldn't crowd him or provoke him in any way. He would not know that we are together. If he minds his manners fine, but if he starts something with one of us, then that one person shows constraint. If he hits somebody, then we are all winesses and cops can be called, and legal processes can be started. This guy needs to be off the river before he or somebody else gets seriously hurt. I personaly can be there Tuesday morning. Is there anybody else?

[Nuttinbutnet]

Hey Os, you and I have some differing opinions from time to time,BUT, the duct taping and stickering would be a classic not to be forgotten for a long time! I'm game, let's dance the dance!

[Osprey]

WHO'S YOU'RE DUCT TAPE DADDY

[Bait O' Eggs]

Well if you are going to duct tape him, do it to the concrete bridge support. The one in the middle of the river.

Be sure and leave his head at least a foot above water, it is raining and the river may come up a couple feet.

[fishbait]

OK Osprey, you got me there, OC that is.
Anyway, I stick by what I said publicly.
Any other response must be handled privately.
And as my mentor "Forest Gump" said, and thats all I have to say about that.

[OR Coast Range]

If this gey ends up getting duct taped, make sure to take some pictures. I wouldn't post them or anything, but my email is in my profile

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

If you guys duct tape that evil doer before O's gets down there, then by all means, do not, and I mean do not, tell O's where he's at. Just ask the sheriff for the info or search the web.

[jet]

Where is Fishcop when you need him... All game wardens are OSP officers first, then they become a gamie.


Jet~~~

[Salmonator]

I might be able to wet a line for a few hours Monday morn....

[SLEDDER]

I think this jerk needs a little lesson on fishing etiquet(sp). I am not going down there for a witch hunt. If the witch is there and wants to play, then play I shall do. I will be there Tuesday morning, driving a Dodge diesel Quad cab sandstone/silver/mud color. I will be sitting in my truck waiting for ifish people to show, witnesses are needed if he happens to be there. If nothing happens then its a little Ifish meeting. Pilar if you are going to be there, I think you should be the closest to this guy, either up or down stream. He didn't swing at you the first time, he backed down, it is your buddies neighbor. Everybody from ifish that is there would be strangers to you until he gets carried away, then we will interfere as needed. I believe numerous cell phone calls to 911 would get the cops there in a hurry, if it should come to that. I won't be logged back on to computer until Sunday morning. I am not trying to be a instigator for trouble but I do believe that with people like this on the river, someone is liable to get hurt, besides the guy that really deserves it.

[Gooey - Bob]

Where is FISH COP when we need him ?

[SLEDDER]

It would be nice to have him there!!

[Trout,myster]

Yep. This is exactly why I also quit fishing that whole mess over there. That includes the "Crackam'as", Eagle Creek, all of it. I ran into several "river owners" and finally got tired of it.

I'm somewhat in support of the "throw him in the creek" gang, as my temper doesn't have a long fuse anymore and I've little patience with A$$holes. If the guy confronted me like that on public riverway in a threatening manner, I'm likely to take the first shot if I feel he could do bodily harm if I don't.

However, and I'm trying to put my "wise old owl" hat on here (I'm told at 50 I'm supposed to do that by co-workers!), the recommendations to get the guy in jail is the way to go. If you toss him in the creek, bust his nose, or sore-lip him, you'll just **** him off and he'll take it out on someone else. Suppose it's some 15 year old kid down there who likes to fish after or before school? True, some 15 year olds can likely hold their own these days, but most wouldn't against a grownup, regardless of how "froggy" they act or think they are.

The in-between method here would be to **** the guy off enough to take a crack at you. Yeah, you may get a bloody snoot or cracked lip if he's good. However, if it were me, I'd have his a$$ by a short leash as soon as I could get my cell phone out and get the ossifers on their way. Meanwhile, just knock him down and sit on him till they get there. He won't forget a night or two in the clink and they'll also "have his number".

My suggestion.




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Troutmyster

[Pilar]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew you guys would get it. It's not about Kicking the guys XXX, or wasting the time of the police. It's about teaching a lesson that should have been learned in Kindergarten. It's called sharing.

I believe we did nothing to provoke the stupid behavior. We were just fishing on that stretch about a hundred feet apart. Like I said before it was so hard to believe when it happened, it was like an elaborate practical joke.

BUT, I am dead certain now, that he was not kidding. For the record the 'neighbor' who was the third member of the St Helens sturgeon derby for tomorrow has permanently been 86'd from the fold. Not welcome on the 'Pilar', under any circumstance. Excommunicated as they say. If you're reading this Brandon,

'The stupid will be punished'

For the rest of you, if you go there, go to fish not to fight.

The point is that this maroon does not own that hole or any other. Maybe sharing it with a large number of Ifishers will teach the kindergarten lesson. You guys have impeccable manners. Better late than never.

Your collective concern is actually quite touching. I knew this was a special group from the first day I lurked here. It gets more certain every day. Peace and see you at church!

The bend is your friend!

[Gizmo Man]

Let's see if I get this right.

Post adult humor and it is deleted even with a disclaimer...

Show the kids that the adult way to solve a problem is to beat the sh%% out of someone.

That makes real sense to me. And the ifish administrator, who usually is the model of righteousness and political correctness, joins in to send the message that violence is the way adults deal with problems.....HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Giz...

[drifter]

Pilar - I have three family members who are deputies with the Clackamas County Sheriff's Department. I will try to get their input on the best way to handle this situation and post it. You can also e-mail me with questions or comments. Drifter.

[Mikie]

Hey PILAR. I think I would bail out of that situation, especially If you have kid's . Life's to short for that kind of bull $#!+, remember the one's that love you. I'm really sorry that had to happen to you and your buddy I've seen a couple of knock down drag out's on the river, that kind of crap just isn't acceptable anywhere.......... Don't fish around fruitloop's they belong in a box. MIKIE

[Jennie@ifish]

I certainly to do not promote violence!
I just think that we should show up, tell this guy that the river is everyones property and leave it at that.
I certainly missed it if someone got the idea that we should promote violence!
I think that we should show up, share with this guy the way it works on the river.... sharing!
We all should be able to access the river... and more people than not know that about the piece of river that Bill owns.
Some neighbors of ours won't let anybody access their river bank, including us, but Bill bends over backwards to allow people access if he isn't using it. Isn't that true, people that know Bill?
Give us a break, whoever that was, I forget.
But I am not promoting violence at all.
I just think that this guy wanted to hurt an innocent fishermen and needs to be educated in a very personal and up front manner!
River access is something that I want for everyone... Children, adults, out of staters, anyone! The river is God's country, not a private piece of land for anyone.
I guess I should ask Bill before I send this, but heck, I am a bank maggot from way back, and probably always will be!
jen

[Timber Man]

DELETE DELETE DELETE!!!!!!!!

This power to delete bit has got way out of hand!!!I say teach the guy a lesson if it comes to throwin then so be it!!I live by the 6 F's and that would be one of them!!!TM

SRBC in da Houze!!!!

Family
Friends
Faith
Fishing
Fighting
F------

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[rags]

To bad we have people with this kind of attitude. I have been fishing for along time and I see more and more of these doughballs on the river. You would think guides would not have this kind of attitude but I ran into one on the coast this week. I was told his name was Duncan?? Silver boat with Kenai sticker on it. I own the river attitude. I don't know what the answer is on how to deal with these guys like the 205 monster. I guess we let the law handle it and just ignore them unless they force you to protect yourself. As far as guides go maybe we should make it more difficult to be a guide. Insurance and a first aid card and I'm a river guide. To easy. My suggestion on this guy at the 205 bridge is to let the law handle it. I am willing to show up with all you other guys and we can turn the bank into combat fishing while this guys is going crazy. There is strenth in numbers!

[Trout,myster]

Folks:

Go back to the top and read Pilar's post! I had to do that to get centered a little on this thread. He is in no way suggesting a bashing on the bank, although most of us had that thought. He's simply inviting iFishers to overrun the hole and make it clear that anyone and everyone can fish there.

Moral of this is a message that I keep on my desk at work. It reads "be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear". As an electronic equipment engineer, I have to refer to that often before dealing with the folks working for me.

Pilar, your intentions were good, your luck was bad on the Clackamas, but it sounds to me like your head is in the right place. Hopefully, should the barrage of iFishers show up there, it will be dealt with as the group of folks we are, which is a pretty tight and sportsmanlike bunch I'd say. We all just need to remember if we're displaying the decal, we're hopefully setting an example...a good one.

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Troutmyster

[Pirate]

Trout
You are absolutely right, though a blanket function on the Clackamus is in order.
Pilar hope you can avoid the "fruitloops" in the future.
Good luck to all.

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B

[Fish Cop]

Pilar,
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I haven't read the board for a couple of days and look what I find when I come back.
There has been some good advise posted above on how to handle this situation, (duct taping the guy to the bridge is not one of them). Your local Game Officer should and could handle this situation. From what I have read it sounds like charges could be filed against the guy without further incident. All you have to do is pick up the phone. I would sure hate to read on this board about a fight pursueing from this situation or worse yet to read in the paper about a fellow ifish fisherman getting hurt from a further altercation or in trouble with the law. Someone (I forget who) posted above that all Game Officers used to be State Police Officers before becoming a Game Officer. All Game Officers in Oregon are actual State Police Officers and have been trained on how to handle this kind of situation. Please let them do their job. It's to bad things like this have to happen.
Lets do the right thing.
By the way; how do you get a ifish sticker?
Fish Cop

[M.G]

I've lived here in Gladstone over 30 year's.This guy sound's like a jerk.I think I'll be Fishing under the bridge.As far as a great steelhead spot.It's not one of the best.So the Guy can't be that bright.I might even know the idoit.I know a lot of guide's and pepole who fish the lower river.

[Fishhead]

Boys, Boys, Boys, If I could make on saturday,I'd say lets make it a party! The first case of beer would be on me. The thing is, this guy isnt going to learn a lesson or be shown a point because he's beyond help! Let the cops do their job! He probably wont be there for a couple of days anyway. He'll be thinking that someone will be waiting for him. I say give it a week before you linch him. Violence is not the answer, but if it does come to that I want to be in the cheering section! Take down 2 points! Its up its GOOOOOOD! Its going,its going, its GONE!!!RAH, RAH , REEH kick'em in the knee. RAH, RAH, RASS kick'em in the other knee. Anyway its a sad day when it comes down to this.......See you on the river, Fishhead Vic

[Osprey]

You got more patience than me,my friend
He'd be floatin
wheres this place and whens the meeting.I got to be in Portland next week anyway...bonus 2 for 1 and I get to fish too.

Things don't have to be violent to make a point....I say we just duct tape him to a tree and cover him in I Fish stickers....Os

[Phish_on]

I like this conspiracy ...

I fished right there a few weeks ago, no trouble. I've fished the Clackamas pretty often, it's close to home - never seen anything what you describe.

Like anywhere along there is a big secret!

This guy needs to be taken out with the trash, though. I can only go Fridays or weekends. Have fun!

[Jennie@ifish]

I wanna go tooooooo!
I was raised in Canby. I know the area well. What day? What time? I'll be there!
Jen

What I don't understand is why isn't this scumbag in jail right now? If someone allows himself to be blindside clobbered out into a river where he could have drown and won't file charges isn't helping solve this type of problem. There is still time to file an official complaint I think. If your partner is afraid of his neighbor's retaliation then he can seek a restraining order easily under these circumstances, and buy a pistol. If he then has to shoot the scumbag in self defense in the future he will have a good case of justifiable use of a deadly weapon because the scumbag will be on record of assault and reckless endangerment of his life; as well as breaking the restraining order. We have laws and enforcement. Why are some people reluctant to use them? You pay for it thru taxes. Use your services and less people will be willing to risk arrest! .... With that said, I would love just as much as anyone to duct tape guys like that to the center bridge support at low tide, but that just puts us at undue risk of arrest, and whackos. Better we just put him in a room for a few minutes with 'Yall and his bro? - RT

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[Spot]

So????????????? Did you and C.B. catch anything?

[fishbait]

First of all, this really ****** me off.. But, Do it the right way, turn him into the law. Years ago, when I was young, in shape and stuped I broke a guys fishing pole for snagging fish on the Colwetz. I got off lucky, he turnd tail and left. I also feel like showing up there on Mon, Tues, etc with a fish wacker in my creel, BUT THATS NOT THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS..Here's what I see. Right now we probably have a conspiricy going ( i think the law say anytime more that three people get together to plan something illegal) count number one, sounds like planning to cause bodlily harm to this A$$ Hole and I think that is illegal, what if he is stuped enough to pack heat and pulls the trigger, High on crank, he just could be... Or what if you do bang him arround this time and next time he brings "his" friends, where does it stop?
Call the cops, give your statements and let the law handle it. We all need to swallow our macho pride, think with our head and not emotions and derive satisfaction that we were intellegent enough to make a good decision. IT doesn't feel quite so good, but that is the way people handle things in a civilized socity.

[Osprey]

Fisbait,
"that is the way people handle things in a civilized socity."
This is OC were talking about
we can wear disquises I'll be Jetro Hey yall you can EllieMae....either that or Arnold Ziphel...Os

I feel bad for your neighbor. He has to live next to the guy. But I would have to agree with other posters that your neighbor should contact the police and formerly file charges. If this guy is willing to blind-side folks into the river, I'm sure he's also willing to carry a knife, gun, or any other weapon and pose a serious psychotic threat to anyone.

Although it is often my first thought, violence isn't the answer. The guy is a psycho who gives fishermen a bad name. There is nothing more I would like to do if I met a guy like this than to just toss-em in the river. I'm a former 'wrassler' (Greco-Roman champ), and this wouldn't be too much of a problem. Actually kinda fun to do and watch. However, police need to be contacted for your neighbors sake.

Move to E. Oregon - there aren't many problems like this over here.

[SteelieSteve]

Fished the clack a couple hours yesterday afternoon. No bites downriver so drove on up to coffee's on the way up I saw a white bronco II parked at that spot so your antagonist must have been back there fishing or harrasing. I quit fishing that river years ago because of the rude people, overcrowding, and few hookups. Never have had a confrontation like Pilar and his buddy but it is par for that river.

[Jennie@ifish]

Fish cop:
Hi there! You too, can have an ifish sticker!
Just click on "Order your ifish decals here" on the top of this page.
I have been sending out quite a few these days and the supplies are getting limited. Shall I order more?
Thanks!
Oh yeah, I'll also have a bunch at the Sportsmens show on Friday at Dennis Stewarts booth. (Salmon Master)

Jen

[Pilar]

For all of you law and order officianados. The police have been contacted and a report filed. I'm not sure if any charges are filed yet. They have contacted me for my input and that's where it's at.

Take care.

The bend is your friend!!

[Hoosier Daddy]

Daaaammmmnnnnn!!!!

I've been a little remiss and just read this post today. I have fished under the 205 bridge several times in the 6 months or so I have lived here (Gladstone). Luckily, I have hardly ever seen anyone else there. I assume you are talking about a little up from High Rocks, actually UNDER the bridge.
Too bad headcases like that are still on the street. Hey, if the guys a salesman, there are easier ways to mess with him than just kicking his AAASSSS. Hit him in the pocket book. There's gotta be a way. Oh wait a minute, maybe I'm getting carried away.

Anyhow, I'm "local" so anytime you guys want to hit it in force, I'm in. I can be there in 5 minutes.

Does the dumbass live in Gladstone???
I hope he isn't one of MY neighbors.

[Crusty]

Hey you guys are a lot of fun! While FishCop is right, and apparently the police are now involved, it would still be fun to follow Jen's advice and show up enmass for a lesson in sharing.

Just remember...Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. Eat well .. stay fit .. die anyway.

Crusty

[Pilar]

Crusty, you just kill me sometimes. LOL. The only thing we all have in common is the end of the road, it's inevitable.

Like Andy Dufresne said in Shawshank Redemption, "Get busy livin, or get busy dyin."

The bend is your friend!

BTW the 205 monster's big days are M-F, that is when the ownership thing really kicks in!

[Fish mojo]

Hit this scumbitch where it really counts. Find him again, follow him in car to his workplace, then go in and embarass the heck out of him and get him fired!!!!!!!

[Jennie@ifish]

Please, guys.... NO VIOLENCE! Giz reminded me that what if something happens and this guy gets a lawyer, finds out it all started with ifish.... Oh great, that would be good.
So, please..... keep this in mind as you do whatever it is you are going to do.
I think, perhaps calling the authorities is the best way to go. Don't stoop to his level, PLEASE!
Jen

[fishbait]

Boy, I'll tell you what....That dumb a$$ picked the wrong group of people to mess with. Weather we realize it or not,, we are now a powerful force... How about putting it to work in other constructive ways, like a buying group... Bulk hooks. line, bobbers reels etc.. By the way, whats the going distributors price for a case of duct tape?

[Hoosier Daddy]

Like I said, I'm in. I fished High Rocks a little this morning from the Gladstone side. Water's a little muddy. Hey Fishbait, if we are going to get into group buying, lets buy some land we can fence off and keep knuckledraggers like this guy off the river altogether.

[Osprey]

I need directions to this place,from up here can't be too hard to find I know where 205 is.
I'm bringing duct tape anyway ,we can't throw him in ,we get ticketed for Dumping Garbage,

Looks like wednesday the day for my road trip south....lets dance....Os

[Pilar]

205 south to the Park place exit near Oregon city. Follow the ramp around and cross the overpass over 205. Left at the 1st light on River Rd. Down about a half mile you'll see the bridge on your left and a fenced yard full of construction equipment on your right. Then you'll see the compost pile on the left. Hang a u-turn and park by the pile. Fish right under freeway bridge. Not the best hole but it has a pretty long straight drift and not too many snags.

Don't bring your whoop ass, just your IFISH best example manners. Were trying to teach that kindergarten sharing thing. Leadership by example!

The bend is your friend!