shotgun fitting (photos added)

[baltz526]

i'm

looking for products to add to shotgun stocks to fit each gun to me. i have found only one stick on pad product, anyone have info on getting products that will do the job, on hard used hunting guns.

[trizzie]

You might find some good solutions here:

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/index.php

[baltz526]

being a member of shotgun world there is a lot of good info there. i am looking for the products ifish members use or know about. what i found with mavericks help is i have one shotgun that fits me, with it i had a 50% kill rate on chuckers. one bird for 2 shells on average. the other two guns i shot, i had a 10% success rate. that is a huge difference. considering the gun that fit was a 20ga with 1oz of shot and the 2 that do not fit where shooting 1 1/4oz or 1 3/8oz 12 ga loads.

[DavidH]

Mitchell Clay Target Sports in Gervais has adhesive pads for creating more comb height. To fit your other guns you could use some cardboard folded and taped to your stock to get the right height in order to pattern the gun. Perhaps you can call and have some shipped with the size you need? Brownells has some comb raising kits also.

[baltz526]

thats what i found, but my comb is fine on one. i need to adjust the cast on three. what i'm looking for is closed cell foam with adhesive backs that i can layer and cut to fit. the kickeze stuff might work, but by the discription i can not tell if it is closed cell foam or if you can layer and feather the edges

[Hunt'nFish]

Baltz, Yet another use for duct tape??
Seriously though, layers of cardboard and duct tape can be used to help find the perfect check weld....and then use that info to modify the stock by more appropriate means.
Hunt'nFish

[baltz526]

wash cloth and packing tape, is now on my lamber. with about 3/8" at cheek and no rise on comb

[scottishsetter]

You can freeze and sand the Kickeez 6"x6"stuff. Might put it on with rubber cement, do both sides and let it dry....then assemb. just get it right the first touch, or use laquer thinner to remove(not good on stocks) might remove with heat gun(also not good on stocks).Good luck

[baltz526]

i thought kickeez came with self adhesive backing. i can spend a bunch of money with a stock fitter, bending stocks. but i'm too cheap and the guns are not high end products, just work horse guns.

[James in Idaho]

Bondo.

[baltz526]

bondo was mentioned by maverick. i'm not going there

[James in Idaho]

Why not? If they are just work horses, bondo 'em an paint 'em. Or if you have any skills with wood, cut and paste enough new wood and sand to fit. Are they common enough that you can find a used stock to experment on? You can shim with thin plastic to get some cast on/off, and you can also steam a stock to get some bend. Or go buy yourself a "once in a lifetime" gun and have it fitted. Then shoot it at EVERYTHING. Google "Bruce Buck", he's written lots on fit and how to make it happen in the basement.

[Hunt'nFish]

Richard, Perhaps the old tried and true method of leather lace on cheek pads might give a more "classic" look to your workhorse double.

I have also seen wood overlays epoxied on and then finished to match the original wood. Lots of options, but the key is finding the right demensions that reasult in a good fit. I think a leather lace on or the cardboard & duct tape method would allow pretty quick, easy and "tunable".
Hunt'nFish

[baltz526]

the leather lace on, seem to raise the comb height. at least the ones i have seen pictures of. if i knew the kickeez did not absorb water, and would stick to itself in layers i would buy about $100 worth and have at it.

[Hunt'nFish]

Ahhh...cast, not comb mods........need to read more carefully.

Modifing the cast is no trivial matter. Like you mentioned having stocks "bent" is $$$$$$!
Perhaps some inletting mods on the angle of stock to reciever (with bedding) would bring the reciever over a bit.
Depending on the stock/reciever/tang (if it has a tang), you can shim the "off side" of the reciever and cast the stock over a bit. Adjust the shim size until the proper amount of cast is achieved and then glass bed with the shim in place for a more semi-permenant mod....I say semi-permenant because the bedding can always be removed and the stock returned to it's original position relatively easily.
All things can be fixed w/ demel work and glass.

This is pretty much how I'm tweaking the Spartan. It started off fitting very poor...I'm starting to get it dialed in now. Sometimes I wonder if all this work is worth it. But I shoot my Brownings enough that my Spartan has to match them....and my mind can't learn to shoot 5 differant guns.

You know th eold saying....."beware the man with one gun.....he may just know how to shoot it".........very true, very true.
Good luck and I wish we were closer so I could help.
Hunt'nFish

[baltz526]

i found this discription

Kick Eez 703 Series Cheek Eez Cheek Protector

Quantity in Basket: none
Code: kick-eez-703
Price:$12.95

Thickness:<Select One>1/16" (12.95)1/8" ($12.95)3/16" ($17.95)1/4" ($18.95) Quantity: Description: 'Kick Eez 703 Series Cheek Eez Cheek Protector' Peel and stick to any cheekpiece and put an end to feeling beat up and sore the day after shooting. Genuine, Sorbothane®, recoil absorbing rubber is pre-cut with an adhesive back to fit quickly on hard-kicking shotguns or rifles. Three thicknesses allow fast comb height adjustments. An oval-shaped sheet of microcellular urethane that adheres to your gun comb to virtually eliminate recoil shock to the cheek. These pads are also very useful if you need some adjustment to your "line of sight."Specs: Sorbothane rubber, black. 6" (15cm) x 5" (12cm), 1/16" (1.5mm), 3/16" (4.7mm), 1/8" (3.1mm), 1/4" (6.3mm) thick.Manufacturer: Kick EezCodeThicknessColorOur Price703-1161/16"Black$12.95703-1181/8"Black$12.95703-3163/16"Black$17.95703-1401/4"Black$18.95

my idea is to buy a couple of each and cut them to fit each stocks needs. these prices are full retail and i have found these for less, but it will still cost over over $130 with shipping to get all thicknesses.

[James in Idaho]

What kind of guns are you trying to fit? Pumps and autos you can add cast to with thin plastic (cut up shotgun shells) shims. If you are trying to adjust doubles or o/u it might be a little tougher. Assuming that you are right handed, start out by taking the stock off and putting a shim under the stock on the left side of the receiver for "cast off", right side for "cast on". Put the stock back on and test fire. Keep going until the poi is where you want it. Length is also another factor, short stocks are worse than long stocks, usually you will shoot low with a short stock. Sticking stuff on the stock is a temp solution at best. If you want to try bending your stock (locate a replacement before you try it!), heat linseed oil and pour it over the wrist of the stock, then use clamps to bend it. I have not done this, so no guarentees that it will work. But for a $100 worth of essentially foam, I'd find a fitter or use the $100 and the gun as a trade in for a new gun that fits. Nothing, nothing is worse than a shotgun that doesn't fit.

[baltz526]

i found 6, 1/8th" cheekeze pads at sportsmans today. so i'll get some on an 870 express for test purpose's then if i find they work i'll do the lamber when i get a couple 1/4" pads

[baltz526]

after some cutting of pads and pre cleaning of the stocks, i have two stocks done. with a good cleaning with alcohol the pads do stick to each other for layering. now the test on the durability. will the pads stay on in below zero temps or pouring rain. it took $18 in pads to do both guns with 1/2 a pad left over

[baltz526]

the old picture size of 600x800 will not fit, i'll figure that out. this is the lamber with two layers of 1/8th" pad added to adjust cast (line of sight) the 870 used one layer of 1/8th" pad

[cwh]

That's a fine looking shotgun you've got there!

We may have to put together a Central OR chukar trip in the next week or so to test it out

[baltz526]

just patterned the 870 express, with the new pads,it is looking bad for flying things.