Fishing & Hunting News

[lippee]

What do you guy's think of it. I think the magazine is very informative and has good tip's and great advise, But the oregon editor is a ******* IDIOT.!!!!

LIP, I haven't picked one of those up for so long I can't remember when it was. Except for the occassional river maps for newcomers the rest is news of what happened many days ago, not what is happening. I used to get a kick out of their article titles. Let's see if I can recall some ... "Cowlitz River Boots Out Ironheads!" ... "Wilson River Anglers Capture Allusive Steelies!" ... "Sexy Hoochie Skirts Entice Slippery Kings Off Pt Defiance - And The Fishing Ain't Too Bad Either!" ... "ShureSkunk STILL Hasn't Caught a Steelhead! Can You Believe It?!?" ... "Terrific Pacific 'Fish Till Their Sick' Puget Specific Anglers Profusely Pound Prolific Plaque Mouths Into Submission!" .. Plaque seemed to fit better than Black? There were some really funny ones. Any of you guys recall some of em?
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Know Mags and No Rags. - RT

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[Fishhead]

RT, If you look up one of your old f&h news it sounds like a repeat of last weeks addition. The same old stuff repeated. If its the same time of year its the same stuff all over again. Lots of hype to get every one to buy the mag. If you now where to go then thats one thing, but if you want to explore then they do have some good maps to show you around. I just bought the last one to have something to read on the throne. Anyway its fun to see what they have to say about their predictions from the last issue....Fishhead Vic

[Fishplay]

I'm a subscriber but mainly use it as referance material. When planning trips they can be very helpful with contact numbers, local facilities, boat ramps and such. The Fishing and hunting news is more about what has happend than what will happen.
I save old copies and use them to approximate run times and plan vacation time. Great reading in my opinion because I can never get enough sporting news!

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FISH!........GET IN THE BOAT!!!!!

[Okiedrifter]

stuck here in oiklahoma, it dosent matter if it is old news at least its news i miss ,,.. i only come on this b.b. from time to time to check out the emu happings..huh r.t...

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okiedrifter

[TheRogue]

The same as fishplay....I use my old issues for references and phone numbers, otherwise they're pretty much useless. Oh yeah, and I get a kick out of some of the things that Mr. Hoglund will actually put into print for his little ranting article in every issue.

T.R.

[WaterDog]

I agree with with you guys. Subscribed for a year just to get some referance material like maps for area's I don't normally fish. When I dropped the subscription I got a call from someone to re-up. He actually got mad and rude with me because I said the info was not current enough. He asked where else could I get info like that, I said well theres ifish, TGF, and a host of others internet sites that are out there where I can get reports that day. He hung up. Oh well, F&H news.......2 weeks late and $40 too much!

RT - "Slammin' Metalheads on the Nestucca!" The only things these guys were slammin' were beers I think.

[Big Willie]

Yup, get it for a year and save'em. It's the exact same thing the next year.
-Gary

[Master Baiter]

I agree with all! Always the same week to week, year to year! Fishing is always good at the usual spots. Alot of times I think the purpose is too keep guides working.

They had some promotional thing last year with some free tackle and a trial issue. I sent in the flyer and requested the free spool of Maxima. A couple months later they called me and asked if I wanted to subscribe. I told him NO for these reasons and the fact that my reports were more current than theirs. He was sort of rude said he would send out my gift and I got Fenwick Riverline instead (junk!!!)! What an @$$hole.

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Keep your tip up and don't pull too hard! {;-)>

[Richter]

"RED HOT, Kalama metalheads swatting steel." That was one of the titles. You read on only to find out a few scattered fish have been taking on spoons and spinners. If you wanted to know what went on three weeks ago it was a good magazine.

I fish the Deschutes rather hard in July, August, and September. Typically, whether the fishing is good, or just average, the magazine will ALWAYS SAY something to the effect: "Deschutes kicking out 10+ fishing days" (I apologize for not remembering the poetic headline). And then everyone and their brother reads this article and heads out to the river! Happens every time the magazine hits the newstand!

Its usually 'classic' after the Native nets are literally strung across the mouth of the Deschutes. If you've made the trip to the river when the nets are in you know what I'm talking about - you can't buy a bite; no pun intended because you can buy the fish you would've caught and released from the natives on the side of the road. Anyway, all of the fishermen make their trip because they just read how good it was then realize to their dismay that the fishing is horrible! Where are all of those 10+ days?

[OneLastCast]

We always referred to it as "THE DEAD FISH NEWS" because of the lateness of its stories.

[TideWater]

The best was when they called me to renew (years ago). The guy was talking like a hill-billy. Like "Hey thar, how's the fish'n -n- hunt'n go'n"

Cracked me up.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I agree with all above. I pick up copies when they have maps, etc. But its miraculous how the fishing is always good according to FH when this and other boards say it sucks. I don't recall there ever being a poor FH fishing or hunting season.
I actually wrote an email to their main office telling them to fire their Oregon editor because he's a moron. Had some good examples, but I can't remember them. Something like "use row for bait" and "like other anatomous salmonoids..." or similar. anyway.....

Oh yeah, then there's the fact that you are paying 2.99 or whatever for ads and no info. Theres always that. I liked how they charged extra for the one with the boat ads for the boat show in it. You know they are hurting though when they offer to give you a gun for a 400$ lifetime subscription.

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[Hotshot]

If you go by there information you will be a day late and a dollar short!!!

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[Osprey]

I cancelled my scrip.over 10 years ago after they mapped as the headline read "The best kept secret in the state" you should have seen all the crackers that showed up the next weekend it closed a year later ...Os

It makes good fire starter


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I remember as a kid my dad getting F&H News. Pretty good reading back then, but nowadays it seems as though laid-off tabloid writers have taken up pens for F&H. They have lost their focus, this is true.

But honestly, how good CAN a weekly F&H-type mag be if they are only concentrating on reports? Heck, fishing success changes hour to hour, day to day.

Maybe if they focused less on reports and more on techniques, political issues, and other less-timely subjects they could make something of themselves.

[boater]

it`s all advertisment and b-s, but, idiots still buy it.

[Sand Shrimp]

When I first bought my driftboat I subscribed to it for the maps to find boat ramp locations and numbers for shuttle services and info.These guys are right it's basically the same stuff over and over again.I was at Fred Meyers recently and looked at one on the shelf and in an article this guy was saying that for winter steelhead if you are casting out farther than you can spit then you are casting to far,maybe in some holes but what kind of info is that?

[RKB]

I picked up last months boat issue because they had a picture of my boat.But other than that it's full of %hit.hunting & fishing lies

[Trout,myster]

Have to agree with the majority here. Guess I'd have to log myself as one of the "idiots", as I still subscribe for the information on maps (which are poor these days compared to originals) and watch the past trends.

As far as "news", it's useless and Hoglund's inputs are what I would consider that of an a$$ in most cases. The old F&H that came out weekly was pretty good with a fairly good editor. Oh well, it's something to keep in the 'reading room' for mornings! Last renewal I managed to scab a pretty nice little fishing rod for trout trolling, so what the hey?

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[FishinMission]

If ya wanna find out what happened 2 weeks ago...maybe..the it's your paper!!

[GBSkunk]

I wonder if Hoglund ever fishes for steelhead or salmon by himself. Every story or picture is him with a guide. The realy old Fishing & Hunting News came out every week instead of bi-weekly. It was a better rag then.

[Salmonator]

Several years back there was an article on fall chinook with a pic of Hoglund holding two fish at the header. The next spring there was a pick of Codino holding the same two fish next to the same tree and same rock, and the article heading was for spring chinook...

[BabyHuey]

Obviously all of you read, subscribe to and have learned from Fishing and Hunting news to further your outdoor interests. It is sad to see you trash the magazine with no specific problems and concerns. Many of your comments are from the magazine from years ago when they reported in a different fashion. I would have to say that the magazine today seeks to educate the reader on trends, issues, and technics that will give you an edge in the field. You all have missed that, without a doubt. I've been getting the magazine for years now and always find something new, someplace new to fish, or something to add to my gear bag. Relax and give FH News some credit. You all might want to read it more, so you can fish and hunt more. Instead of sitting and complaining on a silly chat room. See you on the river. I'll be the one with the fish box full, and the good looking girls in my boat.

Baby Huey. Hmmm. You must have a vested interest in F&H. And I take exception to any hypocrit that critizies people for "trashing" something (F&H News), then does that himself at the end of the same post; trashing this excellant site as a 'silly chat room'! Since you feel that way can we look forward to not seeing you here anymore? I hope we won't. - RT

Yo Gents, Here's an old man's take. Got to say here that I agree with "Baby Huey" on this one. I look at the FH News as inspiration. My grandson caught his first Chinook (18 pounder no less)at Bouy 10 two summers ago, and Hoglund not only printed a great picture, but called my grandson personally asking for the specs and really made that 13 year old lad's month. That's what were in the sport for - I had the honor of fishing along side my grandson that day - memories I'll tresure for the rest of my days. And as for Hoglund, well, he's made a fan out of me and probably a lot of others for paying such great attention to not just the youngsters, but the sport as a whole. I like to fish, I like to read about fishing, and I like to eat fish. Chaz

[Salmonator]

Huey, how will they be able to tell us apart?? Oh wait, you said "full fishbox"... nevermind

[First Bite]

Many years ago when I first started fishing I would buy F&H news. The maps are good if you want to fish that area but that's about it. The stories were way over hyped and like everyone has said...old news. A few months back my wife bought a copy for me to read because it featured my favorite coastal river. It was still the same stuff...over hyped news and old reports.

BabyHuey welcome to the board...or is it "silly chat room"?

[lippee]

Baby Huey
You say no specfic problem's, Like you have been reading everthing happen 2 weeks ago or maybe last year. That's a problem if you ask me. On this silly chat room as you call it I can get current information any time i want. And paying $3.79 for old news is not worth it.

[fishhead5]

Fishing & Lying News

[smilesforu]

Ok we have all bought the F&H news for one reason or another. Every now and then we find some interesting information hiding on the last page, be it a ad for a new lure or the Ad for a lodge in Alaska we saw at the sportsmen show. Dollar for dollar this site gives you more info and personal attention that any magazine will ever give you. How much did you get from this site this year compared to the magazine. Being a website owner I know the hidden expenses Jenny encounters to keep this site available for your enjoyment. The time she puts in to make this happen is incredible....trust me on that one. So get your pen out and write Jenny a check for this years subscription and your ifish sticker.

Tight Lines and Keep up the good work Jenny


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Steelheader.net

[Pilar]

Vote with your wallet!

Yes RKB, Fishing and Hunting Lies! The maps are good and the info is like day old bread at the bakery, you get what you pay for.

One question, don't you folks feel a little spoiled? I mean you can come to the silly little chat room and ask a question and 10 people will post an answer with more tech and good advice than you can shake a salmon net at. Maybe a little sick humor too.

What you pay here is to return the favor when a question is asked and you know something about it. Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Favorite headline. 'B-17 bomber found on moon by NASA, Crew still at controls'..
Oops, that was National Enquirer........


The bend is your friend!

[Eddie L]

I used to subscribe to it many years ago and read repeat stories and reports(It's like reading the fishing report in Ifish 2 weeks later),I enjoy reading "salmon trout and steelhead" magazine; and yes fishing & hunting newspaper makes a good fire starter or toilet paper if your desparate(jk).

[Predator Dawg]

Hey RT,

Check out the similarities between BabyHuey and CMOH. Not only did they both just do their first post, go to the profile and look at the name in the email, and their homepage??????

I think this thread hit a nerve over at F&H Lies.

[Master Baiter]

STS is the ONLY rag for anadramous fisherman period!.

This "Silly little chat room" as you call it Baby, has got more wealth of updated information in one day than your F&H snews would have all year! Yeah you will see us on the river but you will a month to a year too late going by F&H. BTW, I'll bet you have a Pan-Fish-to-Marlin tackle box, your fish box is full of beer and the girls you will be watching will be in my boat!

Peace, out.

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Keep your tip up and don't pull too hard! {;-)>

[Hoosier Daddy]

Hmmm, I checked the profiles. Verrrrry suspicious fellas. So does that make Baby Huey Pat Hoglund or Mike Codino and CMOH Scott Staats (spelling)?? OK, I know, that means I have read FH latley. You got me. Like I said, I pick it up sometimes, mostly for the maps. But I swear, if I see one more picture of Caddis..........

[OR Coast Range]

I think that we might be seeing a lot more of people like Hewey and Zobe. You guys ever read the fishing forum on the Oregon Live site? There are always stupid little backstabbing posts that don't contribute anything. It looks like RTs job might be getting a little tougher soon.

[Hoosier Daddy]

In addition, there was a rash of trolls on The Guides Forcast board. Actually it was one guy, but the moderator SailCat was able to block him.

Young trolls like Zobe won't reside hear for long. They get removed from the registry and when they re-register under a new moniker we have a record of their ISP numbers (we only look at those when needed; not for the rest of you). - RT

[OR Coast Range]

Hey RT,

I know that we are getting a little off topic here, but I would be interested in learning a little more about how you can identify if somebody is re-registering.

By ISP number, do you mean the IP number? If this is what you use, then this wouldn't be a very good number to use for identification because people using dialup internet connections (modems) are allocated an IP number from a pool of IP numbers that the ISP owns. So every time they log in they get a different IP number.

But it sounds like you've done something like this in the past. I've got no complaints! You're doing a great job!

Actually I would have prefered not to have brought it up. You are correct. Jen had to pay for a tracking of a bothersome individual, the guy from Oak Harbor on Whidbey Is., Washington. When an individual is persistantly bothersome the internet detectives will not only track numbers but gave Jen and Bob, of Piscatorial Pursuits, the guys name and address. This was turned over to the Oak Harbor police and we haven't been bothered since. - RT

Well, you all are an interesting little clique. BabyHuey is my son and we were both looking through your site and found it interesting. However after posting a couple supportive replies to FH News, we find the site a bit hostile.
I would challenge all of you to consider that your data, information and fishing facts are as dated and potentially unuseable as you think they are in FH News, STS, or any other magazine. 24 hours, 12 hours or 6 hours have passed after you post the days fishing results. Rivers change, tides change, weather changes, so what makes you think the reports are any more effective towards your results on the river. Both this web site and other publications are directional only, so relax. I'll be visiting the boards, but I don't think I'll be posting anything to soon. Chaz

[Hoosier Daddy]

Well, thanks for clearing that up. My apologies for jumping to conclusions, the father-son aspect clears that up and makes sense why your profiles were similar. Please don't feel we are all too hostile about everything, although it can get a little good-naturedly-combative at times. Have to admit, since I still buy FH occassionally, I can't complain too much. They do need a new Oregon editor though, geez.

Chaz, Huey didn't catch any flack at all for his support of F&H. He caught it because of dissin' this very informative site as being "a silly chat room", and I think you know that! Says a lot about your 2 guy's argument style. And we will accept your challenge to compare the usefullness of F&H to Ifish, which augments guides and good fishermen's daily reports and fishing tech posts with local guide's daily reports in another section in this site. And not have to take into account the value quotient - Ifish accesses for free! - RT

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[jet]

Go RT Go...

JET~~~

[lippee]

Hey HUEY & DUEY
Let's see who catch's the next steelhead. I'll go by IFISH and you can go by f&h. It will be a race to the coast.

[Osprey]

Huey& Duey are screwy...get a life

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Ed Zachary.

Who's yer daddy?

[Master Baiter]

Chaz,

1) STS is not a fishing report, it is for trip ideas and excellent technique refinements from some REPUTABLE experts in the world of salmonid fishing.
2) If this site and others are directional then it is in the RIGHT direction. The reports posted here are for today, not for what is usually hot at this time of year. Although condition can change quickly, at least we have a starting point when deciding where to go. Any good fisherman will take a report and anticipate how those immediate changes will affect the fish ie. what hole they might move to next, etc.
3) As RT put it, at least we know the sources of these reports and whether they are reputable or not.

To sum up the advantages here REPUTATION and UP-TO-DATE are the key words!

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Fish-Rite or don't fish at all.

[RichH]

I've been lurking on this thread for awhile so I figured I might as well toss in my .02
I think the "rag" is designed more for people that don't fish as much as most folks that post here. It should be used as reference, not up to date information. As has been stated previously, they do a pretty good job with the maps and contact info.

As for slamming Pat Hoglund, I think he does a pretty fair job of providing sound advice on techniques that have worked and probably will work again. I also think he does a good job of giving guides a forum to get a little free advertising(well, at least it only costs them a day of fishing ).

I've seen some inaccuracies that were fairly large but overall I find it to be entertaining crapper material.

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[DK]

read the same stuff so many times started believing it till my wife slapped me silly thanks honey,

[DanS]

Huey,

Bye. We're going to miss you.......maybe we'll send you a nice fruit basket.

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.......

Dan, it'll take just a little longer to get the address's to send the fruit baskets to. Didn't take long to poof that rediculous raunchy post he made above yours though.

[RW]

Hey guys, I think some of these shots taken have hit bellow the belt. Lets just take a look at what Fishing & Hunting News has to offer and what it doesn't. Granted, the information is almost two weeks old, but welcome to print media. Do you read the Oregonian, that is old news also. I don't read STS, so I can't compare.

I have been a subscriber to F&HN for several years now and what their shortcomings, along with their strong points. Like what was said, they have some great maps with related stories. They have some very good information on techniques, but they could be more often though. I would like to see a regular piece on "Whats hot, and what's not on the market". New lures, hooks, jigs, line and such, have someone in the know how test the product and give a fair, unpaid response. Ifish is great, but I can't find all the information I am looking for just here.

I am a fan of constructive critizism, not lobbing pot shots. I know that this is read by someone that can help suggest changes and/or additions at F&H N.

What would you guys like to see in the mag that they don't have? What do they have that you don't really need? I have made one suggestion above, why don't you add to it? Lets see if ifish members can make a differance. Tight lines, RW

[OR Coast Range]

Its too bad he is gone. I am sure that we are all going to miss his valuable input.