Beavers vs. Louisville on Dec 29th?

Uglygreen · 11-19-2006, 08:43 AM

Well now that we are bowl bound, anyone have any thoughts?

I'm thinking the Beavers beat the Ducks next week at Reser in the Civil War and finish 3rd in the Pac 10, then go to the Sun Bowl. If that comes to pass I think versus Louisville would be a great game to watch. Heck I might even fly to El Paso for that one!

Assuming Louisville is the favorite going in, the Beavers have a upset victory and win 27-24.

- Brad

SouthCoastStu · 11-19-2006, 03:09 PM

Now you've gone and jinxed us

It would be cool to see the Beav's in the Sun Bowl

Just hope we don't play Notre Dame, nobody wants to see us stomp them again

Still a few more games to play before anybody starts booking reservations.......

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-19-2006, 04:22 PM

Beavers beat Louisville

Give me a break Brad..... I think we beat the beav's like 63 to whatever last year and nothing has changed except we are allot better.

Rumor has it if Louisville wins out, they & West Virginia both get BCS bid's.....

Another rump kicking of the Beav's would be OK but I like the Beav's and hope they kick the Duck's next week....

backlash442 · 11-19-2006, 05:56 PM

Two Big Least teams in a BCS game? Now that should be a crime. Pac 10 only gets one automatic bid. Just because they are in the top 10 doesn't mean they should play. Just look what happened to Oregon last year and Cal the year before.

There is talk of WVU playing in the Rose Bowl should USC not make it to the NC game. Although that won't happen should USC win out.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-19-2006, 06:24 PM

Backlash,

So your opinion is if Louisville & West Virginia win out that they both should not make a BCS game.

Lets see, there are 10 BCS game openings. 5 conferences have automatic tie-ins (Big East, Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10 & ACC)

SEC - Lets see, all other teams beside the champ will have 2 losses and its a possibility that the champ could have 2 losses if LSU beats Arkansas or Florida loses to FSU or any combination of that scenario.

Big 12 Champ - Only 1 will make it (Texas) but lets just say, Louisville & West Virginia are both more deserving if they win out.

Big East - Louisville & W. Virginia if they win out (If they tie with 1 loss, Louisville gets it because of head to head win)

Big 10 - Ohio State & Michigan

ACC - Only 1 will make it. End of conversation

N. Dame - If they beat USC and probably if they even lose to USC (What a joke that is)

Pac 10 - USC and no one else.

That is 9 teams and you want to sit here and debate that Louisville & West Virginia both don't deserve a BCS bid if they win out.

Please explain your argument....

backlash442 · 11-19-2006, 07:40 PM

Why should they both go to a BCS game if they win out? Who have they beaten? Each other? Who cares. Their SOS is pretty weak. Only the winner of the conference should go imo. The Pac 10 only gets one team so why should the Big Least get two? Do you honestly think that from top to bottom the Big East is a better/stronger conference than the Pac 10? No way. The only reason they are both even back in the top 10 is because everyone in front of them keeps losing.

Notre Dame is a joke. They shouldn't even be ranked in the top 10. Haven't beaten anyone either. Just hope SC beats the crapola out of them. If they weren't an independent they would never go to a bowl game. Press and the nation has some sort of infatuation with them.

ACC conference champions last year had several losses if not mistaken. Blame the conference presidents for formulating the BcS structure.

Right now I don't have any respect for the Big East. If their teams win their bowl games I may change my opinion. Until then they don't deserve to have two teams in the BCS.

Outside chance the Beavers play Rutgers. That might be interesting.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-19-2006, 08:03 PM

Hey Backlash, FYI the Big East only gets 1 automatic bid as does the SEC, ACC, Big 12 & Big 10.....

As it stands now, Louisville & West Virginia deserve BCS bids IMO based off rankings, schedule, who they beat & how they are playing and most of all, how they have played all year.

As far as the Big East vs. Pac 10 - This year the Big East is better IMO. Rarely can I say that but this year I think so and I would like to see Louisville or West Virginia play USC..... It would definately be a good game.

As for SOS - Louisville played Miami from the ACC and I know their weak. Louisville beat Kansas State on the road with our 2nd string QB and K-State beat Texas. By the way, Louisville is 9th in the BCS but their all important computer rank is #6.

Texas is going to be in the BCS unless a 3 loss Nebraska team beat them.

I surely don't understand your logic..... Louisville & W. Virginia both have had good years and both will be very deserving of BCS bids if they win out and I would find it hard to de-value what they have both done IMO.

mandinga · 11-19-2006, 11:21 PM

Hog, Hog Hog...I can understand you saying that WV should get a BCS bid...as they should, but the only reason you are rallying so hard for them is to prove a point that Louisville deserves a spot...jeesh. Cant say I wouldnt do the same.

now, heres the truth.

Louisville is ON THE CUSP....barely...currently their BCS standing is 9th.
LSU 10TH, Boise State 11th, Auburn 12th, Texas 13th, Rutgers 14th...Heck, I al,ost give the nod to Oklahoma with 2 losses.

Locks
Ohio St.
Michigan
USC
Florida
Notre Dame
Arkansas
WV
Wisconsin

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 02:12 AM

Mandinga my estute BCS guru, only 2 teams per conference can go to the BCS....

Wisconsin is automatically out even though they deserve a bid

Know your BCS rules ......

Boise is in if they win and will play in the Fiesta bowl and that is great..... I would love to see Boise & Louisville play.

Arkansas or Florida will have 2 losses and I think Arkansas will have 3. (HogHunter says Arkansas gets their rear end handed to them by LSU)

Notre Dame hopefully will have 2 losses but most likely they will go no matter what because those freaking BCS people love them......

How can you even begin to put Oklahoma in there..... They lost to a 4 maybe 5 loss Oregon team.... Oops, man they are really getting the shaft about that call now aren't they.....

You people are going to have to admit that this whole BCS thing stinks but with all these 1 loss teams, who really deserves to go? Louisville's resume is just as good as anyones.

By the way, Louisville still has 2 games to play and can definately lose to Pittsburgh so they better be careful or they will play someone like Oregon State in the Poulen Weed Wacker Bowl or something......

1bigfish · 11-20-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mandinga

Locks
Ohio St.
Michigan
USC
Florida
Notre Dame
Arkansas
WV
Wisconsin

Better rethink your locks.

1. Like Hog said Wisconsin is out because you can't have 3 teams in from one conference. Sorry but that is just the rules.

2. WV is not a lock even if they do win out. If UofL wins out they will get the automatic bid because they will be the conference chaps.

Go Card.

husker · 11-20-2006, 05:37 AM

current prediction for sun is

Sun Bowl
El Paso, TX
Sun Bowl
December 29, 2006, CBS
Big 12 or Big East vs. Pac 10 No. 3
Bowl Projection:Missouri vs. Oregon State

should OSU not lay another egg; not bad for a team that got steam rolled at boise

husker · 11-20-2006, 05:46 AM

boise is slated to play the big 12 champ in tempe....if they go undefeated and finish in the top 12.....or finish in the top 15 ahead of another conference champ....i think thats the rule....

big 12 ..1 team...texas...arg...common huskers....LOL they dont deserve a BCS game though

pac 10 ...usc....

big 10...osu and mich

sec 1 team....ark/fla

big least 2 teams....louis/wv

boise if they win out

ND if they finish in the top 8 garenteed....top 12....they are still going...count on it....

ACC...ugh...1 team...VT at 22?...u have to be kidding me

...yup thats it....big least probably gets 2....unless CAL, ark,fla,lsu gets picked as a wild card

KHH....if u take that lame loss away from the sooners......they only have lost 1 time....just like your beloved cards....its hard to go 13-0 no matter who u are....thats just the facts

Uglygreen · 11-20-2006, 05:56 AM

Well Terry, that kinda depends on which OSU team shows up, huh?

If it turned out to be the OSU team that beat USC (nothin to lose and pumped to be be there after a hugely sucessfull season in there eyes) versus the Louisville team that lost to Rutgers (down in the dumps after a failure of a season where they lost their BCS bid and national championship chance and looking past a easy win in a second rate bowl in their eyes), I think OSU would take them.

However, I do like Louisville... so I think your scenairo where they get a BCS bowl and end up whuppin evil Boise State would be fantastic!

- Brad

backlash442 · 11-20-2006, 06:28 AM

KHH, you don't appear to understand what I'm writing. I said only the winner of the Big East conference should go to the BCS game. The second place team should go to a non BCS bowl game because of their SOS. It should be no different than the Pac 10. Remember the second place team in the Pac 10 has to settle for a non BCS game whiich is the Holiday Bowl. Granted the BCS has expanded this year to allow more teams but I still don't believe the Big East has 2 teams worthy of playing. Team for team they play an easy schedule. You may not understand my logic but I wasn't the person who coined the term "Big Least". They didn't come up with that for no reason at all.

I'm not so sure LSU or UF beats Arkie. LSU plays them in Arkansas. SEC is supposed to be known for defense but Arkie can score. They put a major butt kicking on Auburn in Auburn and didn't even pass the ball. I think Ark. will beat UF no problem as I don't think they are really all that good.

I agree the BcS is messed up. Should go to a play off system. Probably won't as it's all about money. Notre Lame should not have their own seperate deal either.

Kootenay · 11-20-2006, 10:05 AM

I read today that USA Today is predicting OSU vs. Rutgers in the Sun Bowl, Louisville is going to the Gator Bowl

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 10:09 AM

Backlash,

I am not sure what the Pac-10 has in place with the BCS besides the champ but say if a team was undefeated & then you had a 1 loss team as well. I think the 1 loss team would most likely be getting the shaft IMO if their conference told them they had to go play in the Holiday bowl.

As for the Big "Least" - well, like I said you would have a hard time convincing me on the SOS thing.

Lets see Louisville's Out of Conference Scedule :

Kentucky - Bowl Team
K-State - Bowl Team
M. Tenn St - Bowl Team Sun Belt Champion (7-4 Record) Lost to Oklahoma, Louisville, Maryland & S. Carolina.
Miami - Train Wreck

Louisville has tried to schedule home & home series against SEC schools like, Georgia, Tennessee & Vanderbilt but none of those schools want no part of it. Louisville has always tried to play good teams out of conference. Florida State, Miami & Oregon State to name a few in recent years. Who could tell Miami was going to be so cruddy this year?

I think Louisville's SOS although not being the best in the country is certainly not the worse and the BCS computers for what its worth, has them at #6.....

Backlash, I would concede on the SOS thing but make an argument for some team that is more deserving.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kootenay

I read today that USA Today is predicting OSU vs. Rutgers in the Sun Bowl, Louisville is going to the Gator Bowl

Gator Bowl does not want Louisville - They were there last year.....

If Louisville wins out they will be BCS bound and should be

1bigfish · 11-20-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by backlash442

It should be no different than the Pac 10. Remember the second place team in the Pac 10 has to settle for a non BCS game whiich is the Holiday Bowl.

It is no different for the Pac 10 as it is for any other BCS conference. At the end of the year the BCS conference champs get an automatic bid. Notre Dame has a deal worked out to get an auto bid if they finish in the top whatever in the BCS standings. That makes 7 auto bids this year. The other 3 bids go to given by the bowl committee(at large bids). There is a restriction that says no more then 2 bids per conference. So which 3 teams do you think deserve them? The last couple of years the PAC 10 has been saying they deserve one of these "at large bids" but so far they have not gotten one. If the BCS would have expanded to 5 bowl games instead of 4 a few years ago the PAC 10 would likely have gotten one of those bids. However this year it is not likely the PAC 10 will get one. But the second place PAC 10 team does not have to settle for the Holiday Bowl if they recieve one of the "at large bids".

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Originally Posted by backlash442

You may not understand my logic but I wasn't the person who coined the term "Big Least". They didn't come up with that for no reason at all.

Your right backlash442, you did not coin the term "Big Least". The term has been around at least since 2002 and more likely since the Big East was first name. Want proof here you go.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/preview02/s/bigeastoverview.html

The article is preseason of 2002.

People always try to bring up the "nick name" to try to put down the conference when they have no other agument. As for UofL SOS. Read KHH's repley and also keep in mind that UofL did not play ANY 1AA teams and also has only played 4 teams with losing records.(Only 3 teams with losing records if Miami wins their last game) Start looking around at other teams who claim to have a strong SOS and see how many teams with losing records or 1AA teams they have played.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 11:39 AM

Right on 1BigFish

We probably should get together to watch the bowl game.....

I wish we would play Oregon or Oregon State, that would be kinda fun

mandinga · 11-20-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Hog Hunter

Mandinga my estute BCS guru, only 2 teams per conference can go to the BCS....

Wisconsin is automatically out even though they deserve a bid

By the way, Louisville still has 2 games to play and can definately lose to Pittsburgh so they better be careful or they will play someone like Oregon State in the Poulen Weed Wacker Bowl or something......

oops...my bad...it was late...

If things ended today, you would have a BCS bid...but, you still have to play 2 games to get in...and, if you remember correctly, last time you started looking ahead, rutgers thumped louisville.

It must be nice though...playing in the Big East...you can sit back and watch the good teams dismantle eachothers BCS hopes.

mandinga · 11-20-2006, 11:44 AM

Hog, please explain to me why Rutgers shouldnt be the Big East's 2nd team in a BCS game...if they win out?

They would have the same record as Louisville, but they beat Louisville???

backlash442 · 11-20-2006, 12:30 PM

I really can't make an arguement for the BCS teams this year. Maybe the TV revenues will be so low off the bowl games that ABC and FOX (other than the NC unless tOSU vs. UM again) will demand a better solution. Just to many two loss teams out there. If half of them wouldn't have lost no way both Louisville and WVU are in the top 10 together. Perception is that it's a weak conference and by watching what's happened the last few weeks only strengthens it. Really we should wait two more weeks and then start debating who should be playing where. A lot can happen.

I honestly believe that if WVU or Louisville played in the Pac 10 or SEC they would have at min. two losses this year. Right now the Pac 10 has 8 teams bowl elgible.

Forget about playing SEC schools. Do you know UGA has only played something like 25 OCC games (maybe less) west of the Mississsippi in their entire football history?? They don't even travel that far north either.

Kentucky a bowl team? Yes, I see. Impressive wins over Texas St., La. Monroe, Central Michigan and Vandie. UGA flat stinks this year and was lucky to pull out a couple of close games to Colorado and Mississippi.

adiposessed · 11-20-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Hog Hunter

Rumor has it if Louisville wins out, they & West Virginia both get BCS bid's.....

Neither team deserves to be in a BCS game. They deserve a BCS game as much as Boise St. deserves a shot at Ohio state....which is not at all. Thats what happens when you play in an inferrior conference.

mandinga · 11-20-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by adiposessed

Neither team deserves to be in a BCS game. They deserve a BCS game as much as Boise St. deserves a shot at Ohio state....which is not at all. Thats what happens when you play in an inferrior conference.

1bigfish · 11-20-2006, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandinga

Hog, please explain to me why Rutgers shouldnt be the Big East's 2nd team in a BCS game...if they win out?

They would have the same record as Louisville, but they beat Louisville???

OK let's break it down for you.

If UofL wins out and Rutgers wins out, Rutgers will win the Big East and get an auto bid and UofL will be second and will likely get an "at large bid" because of there BCS standing.

If UofL wins out and WV wins out, UofL will win the Big East and get an auto bid and WV will be second and will likely get an "at large bid" because of there BCS standing.

If UofL loses then only the winner of the Big East will play in a BCS Bowl game.

So yes Rutgers does still have a shot. But do you really think they will beat WV in WV?

1bigfish · 11-20-2006, 01:31 PM

Get your tickets now.

Louisville VS. Beavers

Good seats still available for the game at Reser.

Of course the game is not till the 2010 season.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mandinga

Hog, please explain to me why Rutgers shouldnt be the Big East's 2nd team in a BCS game...if they win out?

They would have the same record as Louisville, but they beat Louisville???

If they do beat West Virginia, they will be the 2nd team. West Virginia would then go out of the BCS....

They still play each other dude.... Look at a schedule

backlash442 · 11-20-2006, 03:59 PM

Agreed Louisville has only played 3 teams with losing records. What does that prove? Who have they played? Yeah yeah they beat KSU who beat Texas. You know you can't compare common opponents. If that was the case USC should have NEVER lost to the Beavers! Kentucky? See earlier post on who they have beaten. Middle Tenn. State? Uh yeah another power house. Have they ever even been on TV? Miami? Bad luck because they flat out suck this year. Pitt; lost their last 4 games and will most likely lose last. A 500 team. You can go right down the list of their remaining schdule. The teams within the conference are just not that good regardless of winning records.

WVU isn't much better in their schedule either imo.

I'd like to see WVU and Louisville play in a conference where week in and week out they could get beat by anyone. Including their OCS. I guess it's not their fault they play in a weak conference. What they really need to do is play some top names but good luck scheduling something out of the SEC. USC might have an open date next year as Idaho (scheduled as a favor for the former head coach) wants out. Maybe Louisville should give them a call.

I'm NOT trying to defend any other conference or team's SOS. Please don't confuse it with my lack of enthusiasm for the Big East. However, if I was, the only conference that year in year out schedules tough games is the Pac 10.

Anyways, like I said earlier just wait for a couple more weeks. We'll know who is going where at that time. Then we can debate the merits of the selections.

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 11-20-2006, 06:10 PM

Backlash, I will agree that the Big East is not in the same class as the SEC, Pac-10, Big-12 but you know as I do, the schedules are done way in advance.

Louisville scheduled K-State & Miami when they were in their hay-day and this year happens to be a down year for both the ACC & Big-12. I thing if Louisville was in either of those 2 conferences this year, they would have faired pretty well.

Pesonally, I think West Virginia has been legit the last 2 years. They proved it last year in the Sugar Bowl and if you look at them this year, they have pretty much whacked everyone except for the game they lost against us.

Louisville played a horrible 2nd half against Rutgers or they would be right there as well. I'll say this for Cincinnati, they should have beat Louisville and played Ohio State very tough for 3 quarters this year so that team is not horrible (You can also ask Rutgers about that)

Your right about one thing, as long as this system is in place, we will sit here and question many things but given its subjectivity, it is what it is and there will be many who will disagree with many of the BCS' decisions.

By the way, I would love to see Louisville play USC, that is how your program improves. I would also love to see all D1 teams play only D1 teams. At least Louisville hasn't done that in a while. USC doesn't do that either.

Here's to bowl season

mandinga · 11-20-2006, 07:29 PM

my bad, i dont have rutgers and WV's scheduled pasted to my forehead.