The "other site"

Jennie@ifish · 10-12-2006, 06:54 AM

If you haven't done so, and you want to visit the primary web site dealing with fly fishing in the Pacific Northwest, try Scott's "Westfly" http://www.westfly.com .

Scott's site is awesome and has been around for a long time. He's helped ifish in the past, and I really appreciate it.

It's a great site dealing mostly with fly fishing. In fact, wholly!

Lots of great ifishers over there, and lots of great fly fishing talk!

Scott does a great job of maintaining things over there, and it's clear that some people think it's a no no to talk about it. That cracks me up!

Anyhow, have fun. Don't forget about ifish, though! We still love you, here, too! :smile:

Jen

LaterPeter · 10-12-2006, 07:59 AM

WOW! this is a wonderful post!
There is a flow between the two that I've noticed but to announce it is the kind of comraderie that makes fly fishing different. The sharing of knowledge, experience & even equipment.
Just so you know, Jennie, this was truly appreciated.
Later,
Peter
btw, I used to live out there, my older daughter was born in Tillamook General... then I had to find a regular income so we moved.

Mad Mikey · 10-12-2006, 01:43 PM

I have about equal amounts of posts between these two sites, oft times(like other folks) I will put the same report/pix on both sites. The folks on ifish LIG who want to argue politics may find, uh the OT section on W-Fly a bit rambunctious, to put it mildly.....

AndyK · 10-12-2006, 03:41 PM

I thought Leftfly (a.k.a. Westfly) was just another liberal blog

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Scott needs to do a better job of "maintaining things over there".

Jennie and the moderators on Ifish do a better job of keeping discussions "civil".

Dave Smith · 10-13-2006, 07:42 AM

My first post ever on Westfly, asking for brook trout help: I got ROASTED. My first post ever on ifish flyfishers: I got lot's of help and welcoming. The few on westfly who actually knew something about brook trout were quick to PM me and have been unbleivable helpful and kind, like everyone on ifish. I shouldn't have started my first post asking for help I readily admit, but there is definately a different crowd over there with a few outstanding individuals. Dave

john montana · 10-13-2006, 08:16 AM

Dave,

I remember your first post, and I think it just read the wrong way. i don't know anything about brookies.

i don't post much on either site anymore, but i do tend to post reports, etc. on westfly. i know a lot of guys frequent both sites, so i rarely put a report up on both ifish and westfly. my reports are a waste of time anyway, not many people interested in carp fishing with a flyrod! i have fun writing them though.

both sites have something to offer...

clacksteel · 10-13-2006, 08:32 AM

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I thought Leftfly (a.k.a. Westfly) was just another liberal blog .

Scott needs to do a better job of "maintaining things over there".

Jennie and the moderators on Ifish do a better job of keeping discussions "civil".

**busyfishin** · 10-13-2006, 07:56 PM

I have posted there. But, if you are not in the "click" your post will get "roasted" or get some sort of sarcastic response. I am only there when I get REALLY bored.
Great arts and crafts and hatch section though.

Mad Mikey · 10-13-2006, 10:42 PM

The direction this thread is going amazes me.

Devil's advocate here. Let's say Scott Richmond posts a topic simlilar to Jennies on his site, giving probsts to ifish and complimenting her on various things.

Would it become another rip-fest by the "snobby-in the clique fly guys" bashing those gear chuckers etc???

Yeah, might get a response or two in that vein but I see some real venom in some of the previous posts here. I bet you would see more compliments about Jennie's site coming from Westfly than the other way around...

Westfly is DIFFERENT than ifish, get over it.

You guys whining about the stuff in the OT section must not spend any time in the fishing related part of the site eh???

Or did you find the fishing section yet?

It's there, really...... :tongue:

I am conservative, I don' t really care for much of the stuff on the OT board but yah know what? Don't like it, don't click on it.

Westfly does a great job of self moderation, if someone really goes too far they get beat up pretty good by the others.

It's actually quite fun to watch.

I really enjoy both sites, why do y'all feel like you have to beat up on Scott's site just because the OT(LIG in ifish-speak) is PG-13/R rated at times, instead of a copy cat version of ifish LIG???

Good grief!

Jennie, classy post......... :smile:

Ryan Pultz · 10-13-2006, 11:09 PM

I love both sites I do not chat much on Westfly but I lurk on there a lot and hey any site that Stew is on cant be all that bad hahahaha sorry miss ya brother rp

clacksteel · 10-15-2006, 03:22 PM

I really do like the other site...there is some great info there...some great people...and some real jerks. I avoid the OT board due to the "liberal-ness".

I suggest everyone check out the post Stew started on Westfly about this thread...I'm sure Jennie would find it amusing.

Jennie@ifish · 10-15-2006, 03:39 PM

You guys, isn't it silly how web sites have child like wars?
It's a web site with people on it.
You know.. people... people who need people!

We all need each other and we are all awesome!
It's a web site! Kinda like a real community!

Please don't call it leftfly or anything mean... No web site can control the content.
All I know is that Ifish is all I can handle right now, and I refuse to take part in all of that childlike putting down of one another. Why do people like to do that???

Let's just fish, OK?

Jen

gimmeumpqua · 10-15-2006, 04:35 PM

True, there are some good people on Westfly. However, I have posted a few questions in the past 6 months and each time, I have been defecated on by some snotty jerk who's response degrades the sport by his (no hers yet) relentless conceit. The main problem with that board is that it is more of a clicqueish weblog for a dozen or so regulars, most of whom personally know each other, with all others considered unworthy of not only their inquiry, but also their respect. It seems that it takes something beyond a computer presence,outside of Westfly, to conjure visibility,and immunity from attack. Frankly, IMHO, it's boorish behavior at it's finest.

AndyK · 10-15-2006, 05:06 PM

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Please don't call it leftfly or anything mean... No web site can control the content.
All I know is that Ifish is all I can handle right now, and I refuse to take part in all of that childlike putting down of one another. Why do people like to do that???

The term Leftfly originated on Westfly!

I find the hate & venom displayed on the Westfly OT forum as unacceptable anywhere.

SilverFly · 10-15-2006, 09:03 PM

Yeah Westfly is an interesting site. Fortunately, I think the vast majority of the folks there are of the non-hostile variety. I have learned a great deal from the immense knowledge base and I thoroughly enjoy the humor. On the other hand, the arrogance and condescension doesn't bother me nearly as much as it used to. Where I draw the line is when a well intentioned person is vilified for unknowingly violating one of the "local customs".

Scott is a great guy and for the most part, I think he has a great site.

clarkman23 · 10-16-2006, 03:13 PM

Hmmm, this is interesting. Personally, I really enjoy the banter that gets going over "there"...I post reports pretty regularly there and have found everyone who I've met to be very nice. Now, I don't visit the OT board much at all but I'm sure I'd find it amusing. I think that it's being a bit close-minded to say that you won't visit a site because of it's "liberalness"...but, hey, that's just my opinion. I don't post much at all here only because I don't know very many people (don't really know all that many over there, come to think of it)....hmmm, where was I going with this? Not really sure, but bottom line, get out and fish...and ENJOY IT DAMMIT!!!!!

eat, drink, fish, live...
peace,
~Randy

LaterPeter · 10-16-2006, 04:59 PM

It's funny that one's experience colors their vision for the whole site.
There have been & are folks on Westfly that have literally saved other Westfly folks. People that have given, seeking nothing in return, to someone in need.
&

Jen's original post, which is kindness in words, seems to have lost it's good will to the negativity of sequential posts...
Can't we all just get along?
Well, the hokey pokey... that's what it's all about!
Later,
Peter

Subtlety · 10-18-2006, 10:16 AM

Information wise the other site is leaps and bounds ahead of this one but the community on ifish is awesome. Especially when the Salty Dogs get together. What a great group of people.

TroutGirl · 10-18-2006, 03:10 PM

Folks-

even if you are a'feared of the other site, there is lots of information over there. Try using the search feature if you're looking for some specific information. All the usuals have been covered many many times over there. Waders, reels, rods, boots, boats, lines, casting, flies, rivers.... You can search and do research without posting.

If you find someone that seems to be particularly knowledgeable about something, you might try sending them a PM or e-mail if you don't want to post. Course most aren't likely to reply if you haven't taken the step of introducing yourself to the community and risking getting involved by posting a fishing report, or attending one of the outings. But, a private non-answer might suit you better.

It is a community though and can be a rough one at times. Its not an on-line dear abby that to answer everyone's question. Example would be, a crew is framing houses next door. You wouldn't walk over to the crew and just start peppering them with questions on how to frame houses, what's the right tool, how hard do I swing the hammer..... They are not there to answer your questions about framing. They are there to frame. Now they could be polite with you, I think they should be polite with you. But, if you can pick up a tool and get busy effectively, they will tell you lots more. If you don't know enough to pick up a tool and join in, then maybe buy them lunch or a beer afterwork as a penny for their thoughts.

I like that I-fish is polite and civil. But, its also strongly enforced here. Over there, its not a gated community. No one is going to throw someone out for being rude to the new guy. The neighborhood, doesn't throw out the mean guy, we can't, he just lives there, and we go on about our business. Yep, there can be some bad neighbors. There can also be great great neighbors. It doesn't make that neighborhood bad or wrong, nor does it make this one bad or wrong. Some people are more comfortable in one or the other. Some of us have no problem with the joys of either and we put up with the constraints and issues of both boards.

That board does fish alot together though. Large large groups plan get togethers many times a year, if its on the board, its public invite, seriously. If its on the board, its open to people jumping in.

I think there is a sincere belief over there that fishing is taught by fishing. While folks can read and write about it, its more of a tool to inspire, plan, and motivate the trip where the real deal happens. Its a big pick up game of ball over there. If you show up and sit on the side lines, your skills won't really advance. And the players probably won't yell answers to you on the sideline. They want you to get on the court.

Sometimes, its too much hard ball for me though, and I happily hang out here for long times where its very nice and folks are helpful too.

Pete · 10-18-2006, 04:47 PM

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No one is going to throw someone out for being rude to the new guy. The neighborhood, doesn't throw out the mean guy, we can't, he just lives there, and we go on about our business. Yep, there can be some bad neighbors.

No one is going to be thrown off Ifish for being rude, either. But like the neighborhood I live in, there are laws and rules and violating them has consequences. Parting ways with people here only happens after very serious thought and discussion and usually many years of failing to achieve resolution. We all agree when we come to this site to follow a set of rule, just like we tacitly do when we live in this country. No one has ever lost their membership here for rudeness. But we don't discuss the problems that lead to that drastic action publicly, either. We're here for the fishing, not for the ugly drama.

LaterPeter · 10-18-2006, 05:34 PM

Heather,
that analogy was superior!
The clique scene is everywhere, by the way. Here, there & everywhere.
anyway, it's the hard judgement that makes things tough for everyone.
It's ok for me but not for you.
this bashing of Westfly is not productive nor is their bashing of iFish's bashing of Westfly.
So, it's simple to resolve:
fish more, Bulletin boards less.
Later,
Peter
I lost more flies today than any other fishing day this whole year!!!
wanna learn more?

TroutGirl · 10-18-2006, 09:58 PM

Pete-

good clarification. Thanks. And sincerely, I like both boards. I think all the moderators here are to be commended for a board that has HUGE traffic on a wide variety of thoughts and issues and manages to continue to grow and connect people. I think both boards help connect people. They do it differently. And heck, I can admit that I fish lots of different ways over here. Over there, it would be Off Topic. Here, i-fish. pun intended.

H

leadeyedbugger · 10-20-2006, 08:14 AM

I can't believe that heather, "other methods of fishing". Your in for it now. (westfly regular, ifish mostly lurker).

Actually i visit ifish mostly for the dedicated hunting board. And of course i find it quite comical the comments about westfly when i pop in here and see a whole bunch of the same people. Including a whole bunch of the people you refer to as "leftfly" people are also members here...i guess that means your left ifish