Camo During Rifle Season!

Buckhuntraj · 10-01-2006, 05:00 PM

Went out opening day with a buddy to McDonald Dunn forest near corvallis and I was just in shock at how many hunters were wearing FULL CAMO! You have got to be kidding me. I hunt over east a lot and have run into the same thing. Anyone else notice this where they hunt? At least wear an orange hat or something, if your going to wear camo!

Wang · 10-01-2006, 05:06 PM

Wearing full camo in McDonald Forest doesn't seem to bright.

traks44 · 10-01-2006, 05:07 PM

Blue jeans and a camo shirt for me....

I call in elk and have nothing but jeans and a T-shirt on and the bulls are 5 yards away......

Its kinda funny because when I bow hunted I would wear full camo. I can honestly say I have had more bull closer with less camo on or face paint(never wear face paint).

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motcha · 10-01-2006, 05:10 PM

I dont know if anyone read my close encounter, but I was in wood cutting clothes, reneforced knee jeans, a yellow sweatshirt and my do everything Boston Red Sox hat babee!! I hear they have a hard time seeing yellow as well!!

gottafish · 10-01-2006, 05:35 PM

Thats something Ive seen also Last year in the late season I wore gray wool pants and a green woolrich shirt and a camo stormykromer hat and had doe's walk within 30 yards of me. they knew I was there but didn't seam to care once they saw my buddy at about a 100 yards they bolted. I think they are getting conditioned to the camo thing and thing your just a granola muncher if your not in camo

Don Becker · 10-01-2006, 05:45 PM

I hunted McDonald Forect once, years ago - - once was enough. More than once we would hear a little rustling in the brush - - 'sounded just like a deer - - get ready and what breaks out into the clearing - - -- - - OSU-professor-once-every-few-years-big-game-hunter-dude, dressed all in <font color="brown">brown </font> - - - grrrrrrrrrrrrrr Don

Mad Mikey · 10-01-2006, 05:49 PM

I'm not deer hunting this year but am grouse hunting during that time period.

No, I don't wear camo, blaze orange at all, just regular clothes.

I don't worry about getting shot at because I hike far from the roads. I hunt weekends when there is more deer hunting pressure than normal.

I have yet to run into a hunter that actually got out of the truck/quad.

In NEO you are safe if you are out of sight from the road.

younggun20 · 10-01-2006, 05:54 PM

I always wear full camo and a face mask. I also very rarely encounter people. Get away from the roads.

Twitchs_Tackle · 10-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Used to be a camo guy... but not anymore. A couple seasons ago I assisted with the situation in the Ochoco N.F. (grizzly unit side, I work for the USFS) where the 20 yr old from prineville was shot in the stomach by a guy who 'saw movement where he had just seen a deer'. Have also heard bullets go by while hunting near the Mill Creek Wilderness.

Want to know what really irks me...people who will look at you through their scopes. Either use your bino's if you want to take a close up, or use bare eyes, but don't ever let me catch you looking at me through a scope!

I now wear at least one OSU item of clothing, and tie a few strips of flagging ribbon to the back of my backpack.

lentz · 10-01-2006, 09:01 PM

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I'm not deer hunting this year but am grouse hunting during that time period.

No, I don't wear camo, blaze orange at all, just regular clothes.

I don't worry about getting shot at because I hike far from the roads. I hunt weekends when there is more deer hunting pressure than normal.

In NEO you are safe if you are out of sight from the road.

Hunt'nFish · 10-02-2006, 09:57 AM

Oh great here we go again...... :lurk:

All I can say is I will be out there and you probably will not see or hear me....if you do happen to take a shot at me, you had better hit me good....because you will not get a second shot!

No horns....no go. It's pretty simple.
Hunt'nFish

Buckhuntraj · 10-02-2006, 10:39 AM

Gottafish! You wont be calling me a granola muncher for not wearing camo when someone mistakes you for a deer and you get shot. Use some common sense ! It may seem simple to tell a guy in camo from a deer, but do you know how many guys are out hunting for there first time! Incidents happen every year, its just sad people dont learn from them.

earlybird007 · 10-02-2006, 10:41 AM

Not so sure that I would wear a yellow sweatshirt in cow elk season.....

Abalone · 10-02-2006, 10:45 AM

Well for one thing Camo is hunting gear and it is designed well for being in the field. Besides Camo patterns it wears well and some of the good stuff is water proof. I wear my Rivers west even when I am mushroom hunting but I also wear a red hat. Most of the guys I hunt with hunt in their Camo gear for the same reason but we all wear Red Vests or hats with it.

I wish the local store would stock RiversWest in none Camo colors as I know it's available. There are rivers west product that are made for fishing and other activities but no one I know in town stocks it.

Rank Amateur · 10-02-2006, 12:01 PM

I never owned a piece of camo until about 5 years ago, now I won't go out with out it. Is it because it is camo, no, it's because it is built for the hunting environment. The blaze orange camo is just too over board for me, if the manufactures would just do some camo with large blocks of blaze orange on them I might buy that.

I do wear a blaze orange vest and a real cool hat that no self respecting hunter would wear while rifle hunting.

ehunter · 10-02-2006, 12:11 PM

Don we hunted one year there we saw a guy wearing a buckskin jacket in pouring rain storm he looked like a brown bear walking around. I don't know why people are afraid to be seen. Wearing camo without covering your hand and face doesn't help it is movement that animals see. I am a bowhunter so I have a lot of camo but when rifle hunting I wear a red hat and or broken up blaze vest over my camo rain coat..

ajfishfinder · 10-02-2006, 01:22 PM

Jeez, I don't even like wearing a mocha brown carhart around camp, let alone out in the trees.

raptorschild · 10-02-2006, 01:33 PM

Hunt N fish,

i understand your stance, although i hope you are just playing internet tough guy, cause i'd like to see you talk your way out of a man slaughter, or agrivated 2nd degree murder charge. "But mr. Wildlife officer, he shot at my direction first!"

not meaning to flame, but i hope you have truely thought out other solutions to that problem.

Chromaflage · 10-02-2006, 01:40 PM

Deer and elk are color blind. There is some great gear out there with blaze orange break-up patterns. Just use non-phosphorus detergent and use natural cover to break up your sillhouette.

Wearing blaze orange in Oregon is a personal choice. Statistically, across the country, hunters are less likely to be mistaken for game (the #1 cause of hunting accidents) while wearing blaze orange. Can't argue the numbers. For me, if I'm in the woods, on public land, I don't want to be scoped by a hunter who is trying to see if I have antlers. Further, during the west side antlerless season, there are a lot of ATM shooters out there. Personally, I'd rather ensure that other hunters see me in the woods. Just my .02.

CrF

:lurk:

Wreckless · 10-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Chrome I'm with you. I can be seen from 1000 yards by a 90 year old in the FOG!!!! We use bright orange a lot to keep track of each other during drives and other "co-ordinated" operations. I still hunt Blacktails in the brush and I've been close enough to spit on Deer while wearing a LOT of "hunter orange".
I will take off my orange vest at times, so that I can sit in camo on a trail where a long shot will be 40 yds.
BTW-I hunt private land a lot and rarely see another hunter, but there are WAY to many "hunters" out there swillin' beer and driving the roads or having a tug off the bottle and going for a walk, for me to trust them.

I personally think it INSANE to be in the woods, during rifle season, without some bright colors on your person.

I'll wear orange while on the move during muzzleloader season, but I'll be in camo while I'm on the stand.

Little Fish · 10-02-2006, 03:09 PM

I'm with Chromaflage.

In Washington during modern firearm seasons we're required to wear something like 500 square inches of blaze orange, but even if it wasn't the law I'd be doing it anyway.

Hunt'nFish · 10-02-2006, 04:55 PM

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Oh great here we go again......

All I can say is I will be out there and you probably will not see or hear me....if you do happen to take a shot at me, you had better hit me good....because you will not get a second shot!

No horns....no go. It's pretty simple.
Hunt'nFish

Hunt N fish,
I understand your stance, although i hope you are just playing internet tough guy, cause i'd like to see you talk your way out of a man slaughter, or agrivated 2nd degree murder charge. "But mr. Wildlife officer, he shot at my direction first!"

not meaning to flame, but i hope you have truely thought out other solutions to that problem.
raptorschild

Flame? No harm, I can take it. Point taken. Your right, half cocked comment. Your right to check me.
And no I wouldn't shoot. When I pull the trigger it's for keeps. Hard to care for a family in prison.

I do wonder what peoples thoughts about shooting into the brush might be IF sometimes the brush shot back?

huntercgr · 10-02-2006, 07:17 PM

I see no reason NOT to wear some kind of blaze orange. I've elk walk right by me on an open slope before, with me just sitting at the base of a tree.

If someone scopes me, I get right behind a tree and scope back. If you can't see my orange, then I'm assuming you have other things on your mind.

SeanD · 10-02-2006, 07:25 PM

So do you just aim your rifle at them and wait for them to do something, or do you shoot? Seriously do you really do that?

threecreeks · 10-02-2006, 07:47 PM

Interesting debate, unfortunately there is no clear right or wrong. I've been "scoped" in camoflage and in orange. Both times it was some "yay-who" who I think knew exactly what I was but was trying to get a better look.

The first time was during an archery season and my dad, who was waiting for me to climb out of a bottom of a cut, saw him at the top and started yelling and honking a truck horn to get both of our attentions. My dad watched him pick up my movement, lower his scope in my direction, raise the rifle, drop it again, etc. I was in full camo. He left before we could have a meeting of the minds.

The second time was my first rifle elk hunt (took a year off of archery hunting to hunt with my father-in-law. Walking an overgrown skid trail, saw movement, picked up my binoculars and saw a guy proned out on the ground with his rifle trained on me (100 yards away). I waved at him and started moving for cover. I walked about 10 yards behind a tree, and looked around the tree with my binos to find him again. He had shifted his body (to the right) and followed my path with his rifle. I was wearing an orange hat and vest and before I moved off the skid, there was no cover between us.

Needless to say, I got a bit verbal and moved briskly in his direction keeping trees between us to have a talk about pointing firearms at others. He left before we could meet face to face.

The point of both stories are the same. It happened to me in orange and in camo. Ultimately, I think what is more important than what you wear is how you act. NEVER point a firearm (loaded or unloaded) at another person unless you are acting in self defense (and you better be sure). Never put your finger on the trigger (or inside the trigger guard)unless you have positively identified your target AND you are going to shoot. And lastly, NEVER use your scope to identify what something is. That's what binoculars are for.

leadeyedbugger · 10-02-2006, 07:51 PM

I wear some camo some times...usually just plain sweatshirts and pullovers...But i always have a blaze orange hat on. Its a choice here in oregon...i don't condone if you do or don't wear camo or orange but i will always have at least some orange on me...and i carry lots of blaze orange stuff to hang on horns or bodies for when i have to pack an animal out.

bullslayer · 10-02-2006, 07:53 PM

Opening morning last saturday, the first dude i saw on the property I was hunting on the coasrt was wearing brown pants and a solid black hooded coat. He looked like a big black bear lurking down the road :whazzup: I alway's wear blaze during rifle season and won't hunt without it. My life and my family are too important to rely on some other hunters judgement that I don't know or trust. My

Kris.

Hookset · 10-02-2006, 09:03 PM

Rifle hunters in Oregon should have been required to wear blaze orange years ago.

The camo manufacturers love the fact that big game rifle hunters have embraced the use of camo during hunting seasons. And that's ok as long as you still wear enough orange or red to be seen easily enough.

Wearing full camo while rifle hunting should be illegal, it's not safe.

gottafish · 10-02-2006, 09:11 PM

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Gottafish! You wont be calling me a granola muncher for not wearing camo when someone mistakes you for a deer and you get shot. Use some common sense buddy, obviously you have none! It may seem simple to tell a guy in camo from a deer, but do you know how many guys are out hunting for there first time! Incidents happen every year, its just sad people dont learn from them.

WOW

First off the "late season I was refering to is ARCHERY COW/BLACKTAIL SEASON. During rifle I look like a pretty popcical Hunters orange head to toe. not just a hat and vest. My comment was that deer are scared of guys in camo but tend to not much care about a guy wereing something else. Maybe you should reread my post !!!

10-03-2006, 07:07 AM

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Gottafish! You wont be calling me a granola muncher for not wearing camo when someone mistakes you for a deer and you get shot. Use some common sense buddy, obviously you have none! It may seem simple to tell a guy in camo from a deer, but do you know how many guys are out hunting for there first time! Incidents happen every year, its just sad people dont learn from them.

WOW I don't think Ive ever read a more ignorent thing!!!

First off the "late season I was refering to is ARCHERY COW/BLACKTAIL SEASON. During rifle I look like a ******* popcical Hunters orange head to toe. not just a hat and vest. My comment was that deer are scared of guys in camo but tend to not much care about a guy wereing something else. Maybe you should reread my post butthead!!!

Ya I think he popped off without understanding what you wrote...people dont double check their comprehension before posting their reply.

Buckhuntraj · 10-03-2006, 07:21 AM

First of all this is not an archery post about camo! This is about rifle season and wearing camo, if you Check my Post the first time you would see this! Granola muncher and butthead thats pretty good name calling what are you 10! I never mentioned anything about archery so I dont see why you would post anything about it.

10-03-2006, 07:38 AM

He was making a point about what deer freak out about....he meant that if a deer sees you in street cloths he will think "oh that is just a granola muncher hippie, I think I will stand here and look at him" and if he sees you in camo he will think " holy crap what is that! Im getting out of here"

I think his point was you could have an advantage if you are a wolf in sheeps clothing.

freespool · 10-03-2006, 07:46 AM

Hunters wearing full camo during rifle season?
Sounds like more candidates for the Darwin award.

salmon hugger

jvp · 10-03-2006, 07:50 AM

how to really start the flaming.

I scope people but only if my gun is loaded.
I only wear orange during archery season.
When do I sober up.... after huntin' season of course.
If it moves I shoot at it.

Hello this is America we have the RIGHT and PRIVILEDGE to have opnions. Would you rather be assimilated?

:lurk:

in 'em · 10-03-2006, 09:08 AM

I think their IS a right and wrong here....wearing hunter orange CLEARLY has more benefits than wearing no orange. You'll get scoped a lot more if someone sees something moving with no orange on it...animals can't see color, so no advantage there...if you get shot with no hunter orange, the suspect can get off...you can be mistaken for an animal much quicker without orange...someone could shoot in your direction very easily if they don't see you...folks can see where your at so thay don't hunt your area/ridge... etc. etc.

There's really not much of an argument I don't think...the folks that don't wear hunter orange probably just don't like it cause it's not fashionable, or they like to think they're are hidden...it's mental.

I'd rather have folks know I was there and make there own choice of what to do about it, than have them not know and take a chance of something worse happening.

just my

good luck all

ehunter · 10-03-2006, 09:10 AM

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troutski · 10-03-2006, 09:36 AM

#1349041 - 10/03/06 10:11 AM Check this out.....enough said.

Hunt'nFish · 10-03-2006, 09:42 AM

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the folks that don't wear hunter orange probably just don't like it cause it's not fashionable, or they like to think they're are hidden...it's mental.

This is not a flame and I'm not replying to you. This is just an explaination as to why some of us don't want to see Hunter Orange a requirement.....please read to the end.

Why I dislike orange has nothing to do with fashion.
The simple fact is I don't want you to know I'm there. It will influence how you hunt knowing I'm there. You may do any number of things now that you know I am there. You may try and loop around me and cut off my hunt...I've seen folks do all sorts of rude things.
The short of it is, I want you to hunt as you normally would. I'm expecting that. and I will use you to my benefit.....you are now my brush dog. I will be watching for what animals you kick out.....much like animals crossing a hiway, they will wait til you pass and then scadattle.
Don't worry about me, you will not see or hear me. But I am there watching you, using you. I may be up in a tree or in a hide, but I am there hunting silently, carefully & slowly moving about...glassing, watching, waiting. I am a hunter this is what I do.
If I want you to know I'm there, you'll see me. Or I'll tell you on your FRS CH...yes, I've been listening to you talk to your buddies. Yes, I know where they are too. I hope you don't break any laws...because I am watching.

SPOOKED? Good, I think it's good that people know others may be watching. This post is directed more toward the folks that THINK they can go into the woods and do whatever, whenever, and however they want.
Someone is watching.

Hunt'nFish

OSUhuntnfish · 10-03-2006, 09:49 AM

I'm fairly new to ifish and don't want to sound like I'm getting up on my soap box or anything. The last reply is a prime example of what we've all been debating over. The principles were all taught to us in Hunter's Safety, etc.

-Make sure of your target and beyond
-Never point a loaded/unloaded firearm at anyone
-When in doubt don't shoot

Granted there are yayhoo's that are ignorant to these three simple rules, but wearing blaze orange will significantly reduce your chances of getting scoped and/or shot at. In my opinion it is too bad that Oregon doesn't have a law requiring hunter's to sport blaze orange during rifle season, I believe a lot more accidents and "hairy situations" could be avoided.

For instance, the Medford story, my condolensces go out to both families, but if you cannot see what is behind your target "DON'T SHOOT!" and wait for a good shot.

Remember what your tools are for..
Binocs/spotting scopes-glassing areas for animals
Rifle scope-intended for discharging a firearm at a target (if you don't know what you are aiming at-don't use it)

I'd rather go home without blood on my tailgate than have to tell my family about a hunting accident that was my fault.

danger · 10-03-2006, 09:52 AM

troutski · 10-03-2006, 09:53 AM

Life is a risk, use yours as you wish.....that is freedom. I would watch my back if I were your hiding in a bush in a hide. There are still Cougars and other predators that don't care if you make it home for supper, you may be theirs. JMO

ICHTHYDEMON · 10-03-2006, 10:43 AM

Why exactly does it matter to any of you if someone LEGALLY wears full camo? If they want to risk getting shot,why should you care? Its their choice not yours,get over it.

It surely doesn't bother me. The same thing goes for people not wearing seatbelts in their car or helmets on crotchrockets.

troutski · 10-03-2006, 10:59 AM

Seems to me that it does bother you.....your attitude toward someones else's opinion is rather hostile...I was under the impression that is why we had this forum. To exchange ideas and opinions.

Abalone · 10-03-2006, 11:00 AM

" Why exactly does it matter to any of you if someone LEGALLY wears full camo? If they want to risk getting shot,why should you care? "

That's a fair question and this is my reply.

Because I am a safety minded hunter and the last thing I want to do is shoot someone else. Ultimately once I pull the trigger I am responsible for what happens to that bullet.
I can understand the desire to not wear Bright colors. That don't look very appealling, almost kinda nerdy looking at that. Bright red or Orange isn't in any kind of fashion unless your name is Dennis.

But it sure does make you visible and it helps keep me from
injuring or killing someone.

Thanks

earlybird007 · 10-03-2006, 01:25 PM

Someone start a poll....Camo....Orange....Rifle....Bow.

If I knew how to do the poll I would do it myself.

Just curious what the majority says......

(And just vote....no slamming)

gottafish · 10-03-2006, 02:30 PM

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He was making a point about what deer freak out about....he meant that if a deer sees you in street cloths he will think "oh that is just a granola muncher hippie, I think I will stand here and look at him" and if he sees you in camo he will think " holy crap what is that! Im getting out of here"

I think his point was you could have an advantage if you are a wolf in sheeps clothing.

crabbait · 10-03-2006, 03:28 PM

Okay guys, enough with the name calling. Anybody with a "butthead" in their post needs to edit it, now.

We just don't do name calling on ifish. We can make our point when someone misreads a thread without calling them names and trying to belittle them. Right?

crabbait · 10-03-2006, 03:32 PM

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#1349041 - 10/03/06 10:11 AM Check this out.....enough said.

Here is part of the post he was referring to:

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09:25 AM PDT on Tuesday, October 3, 2006

Associated Press

MEDFORD, Ore. -- A Medford man was seriously injured when a hunter aiming at a blacktailed deer missed and hit him instead, authorities said.

Glen Bogart, 43, who owns an auto detailing business, was listed in critical condition Tuesday at a Medford hospital.

Jackson County Sheriff's deputies said the bullet from Cole Reeves' rifle went through Bogart's back and out one of his arms.

Reeves told officers he didn't see Bogart through thick brush behind the deer, said Sgt. Colin Fagan.

"When (Reeves) fired, he didn't know anybody was down there," Fagan said.

Members of both men's hunting parties Sunday afternoon near the Howard Prairie area east of Medford did not know each other and none wore blaze-orange clothing, Fagan said.