Tuna + Dog = bad?

ChinookSlayer · 09-13-2006, 07:18 PM

So, while I was not looking, my dog slurped a (cooked) tuna steak off the counter. Is this just as bad as Salmon for dogs?

I know for the Salmon poisoning, it takes one week for the full symptoms to appear (fever, no eating, ...).

Thanks for the info.

HiTekRdNek · 09-13-2006, 07:23 PM

With slamon it is the blood or the iodine in it. Since it was cooked it shouldn't be a problem.

Miss B Haven · 09-13-2006, 07:32 PM

Only anadromous (SP?) fish have salmon poisoning to dogs. Pelagics/bottom fish etc- no issue.

Aqua-Holic · 09-13-2006, 07:40 PM

Normally only salty fish that enter freshwater...however does include trout.

http://merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index....m/bc/57305.htm

Mark Mc · 09-13-2006, 08:14 PM

I think you have one smart dog, with very good taste.

Did you ask him how he liked it? What kind of look did he have on his face?

Ditto the above....conventional wisdom is: salmonids have the problem.

Chrome Bumper · 09-13-2006, 08:17 PM

Last dog that ate my tuna just about died of lead posioning.

Salmon poisoning is carried by a local fresh water snails, tuna don't come inland so don't carry the parasite.

Beer Waggin · 09-13-2006, 09:02 PM

My dog eats it almost every night. He's far from dead...

Serious Fun · 09-13-2006, 10:01 PM

My dog did the exact same thing two days ago and so far so good!

Onokai · 09-13-2006, 10:36 PM

CB said (Last dog that ate my tuna just about died of lead posioning.)

No wonder your kids do not eat tuna.

5-Cents · 09-14-2006, 05:51 AM

Cooked is the key word here... dog should be fine. Once my dog ate about 11 lbs of smoked salmon I was letting setup on the counter after I pulled it out!

Spindrifter · 09-14-2006, 06:37 AM

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Once my dog ate about 11 lbs of smoked salmon

Must have been one fat, round, lazy dog for a few days

Miss B Haven · 09-14-2006, 07:31 AM

I'd hate to clean that one up out of the yard! Must have taken a snow shovel!

:grin:

98ramtough · 09-14-2006, 07:36 AM

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I'd hate to clean that one up out of the yard! Must have taken a snow shovel!

:grin:

Coffee all over the keyboard now..

ChinookSlayer · 09-14-2006, 07:37 AM

Hey folks, thanks for the helpful information. I feel better about not having to take the dog to the vet.

Mark: I'm not sure how well the dog liked it, but since she was coming back for more, I figured it must have been pretty good...

Funny thing was, there were a couple of steaks left over from dinner. I left the kitchen area to take care of a couple of things, and when I came back, there was only one steak :whazzup: I thought one of my kids must have come back for some more. A couple of minutes later, I see paws and a nose sniffing for more :shocked: OK, now I knew who slurped the first steak!

That was going to be my lunch for the next day too!

I guess I will just have to put a muzzle on the dog in the future...

The idea of "lead poisoning" never came to mind, but does sound pretty funny.

See ya folks around, and thanks again for the help.

Now, back to that Salmon fishing stuff...

fyshndad · 09-14-2006, 07:48 AM

This is the 1st post I read this morning and I gotta say thanks

I have not laughed this much at any post I have read

What a great way to start a morning

I loved it

Hank

crabbait · 09-14-2006, 07:58 AM

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Normally only salty fish that enter freshwater...however does include trout.

http://merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index....m/bc/57305.htm

Please remember that all salmon/steelhead originate in fresh water and pick up the parasite (fluke) that causes "salmon poisoning" when they are smolt. Just because you caught a salmon offshore does not mean it is free of the flukes.

RODACTION · 09-14-2006, 08:14 AM

Yep, its a "fluke" and not really a poison at all. My dog ate a very small piece of salmon gill (left in the brush by someone on the Santiam) I thought oh my, now what ? Well I thought if she got the poison, it would show up in a few hours. This is not the case, the flukes take up to 10 days, generally its a 7 day period before you dog starts to show signs of being sick. If not treated they will die, the vet told me also that many people think once your dog gets sick and is cured, they are immune the the parasite/fluke, this is not true......according to the vet.

ChinookSlayer · 09-14-2006, 08:30 AM

Never seeing salt water also applies. I caught some Kokanee once, and cleaned them at home. Some small little pieces of blood/guts just were washed off the driveway where I was working. Later I noticed the neighbors dog sniffing around, and in about a week, the dog was at the vet for Salmon poisoning. :blush: After that, I always throw a little bleach water around to kill any germs, and to deter dogs from even sniffing the stuff. Boy that really makes the worms pop-out-of-the-ground :shocked: :shocked: :grin:

Vulpinus · 09-14-2006, 09:09 AM

There is a reason that the old timers called coho/silver salmon "dog salmon" way back in the day.

Silvers/coho are the main species to be aware of in terms of hazards to dogs.

Tuna and dogs? Dont even worry about it. Cooked or not. If my dog is still alive- it must be ok.

edit: removed pics

Thunnus · 09-14-2006, 09:53 AM

Silver salmon=dog salmon? I believe you misunderstood the old timer, what he actually said was chum=dog salmon since the natives in Alaska used to feed them to the dogs. All salmonids should be suspect for salmon poisoning, not just silvers. Please donot give out false information like that as someone may believe you and kill their dog!

Vulpinus · 09-14-2006, 10:54 AM

All salmonids carry varying levels of the "poison"... with coho/silvers posing the greatest risk (they have the highest concentrations).

I know that chums are commonly referred to as 'dog salmon' in Alaska.

I am talking about the pioneers- the earliest settlers on the west coast. They called slivers/coho 'dog salmon' because of all of the dogs who died after pillaging the carcasses. Nobody calls coho 'dog salmon' anymore.

BTW, I happen to know what I am talking about.

crabbait · 09-14-2006, 12:42 PM

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All salmonids carry varying levels of the "poison"... with coho/silvers posing the greatest risk (they have the highest concentrations).

BTW, I happen to know what I am talking about.

Sorry, complete bunk. There is no poison. "Salmon poisoning" is actually a parasitic attack of a freshwater fluke carried in the bloodstream of salmon/steelhead and trout from the northwest. Alaskan salmon do not have the fluke.

After ingestion and survival, the dog is generally immune to that specific fluke. There are at least threee different flukes that are responsible for the "poisoning" so a dog that ingested one of the flukes but did not get all three could still be killed by one of the other flukes in a subsequent exposure.

Safest way to go is to inform your vet that your dog could be exposed at any time (since it is around you and you fish). The vet will prescribe antibiotics that you can have on hand should your dog get exposed.

I am certain there are a lot of things that you are expert on, sir. Salmon poisoning does not appear to be one of them I'm sorry to say.

CATCH AND EAT · 09-14-2006, 01:08 PM

My dog loves tuna off the BBQ. He even eats cooked salmon too. Never has had a problem with it. Raw bloody salmon is a problem though. Keep your mutt away from this.

Vulpinus · 09-14-2006, 01:40 PM

Crabbait says- "There are at least threee different flukes that are responsible for the "poisoning"..."

I know it is not a 'poison' I am trying to keep it simple (just like you just did :smile: ). I studied parasitology for years and actually focused on fish parasitology. I suppose I should correct some of your "bunk" informaiton as well.

Actually, the fluke (N.salmincola) does not cause any harm at all. Your dogs could eat an entire bowl of the flukes and have no ill effect.

The fluke carries another organism (Neorickettsia helminthocea) which is responsible for the deaths of our canine friends. The fluke is merely a vector, or carrier, of the organism who does all of the damage. Not all flukes carry the infective agent (rickettsiae).

Sorry, but there are not 3 flukes who carry rickettsia... only one fluke is a vector/carrier. Dogs never become immune to rickettsiae- which is the infective agent here. The flukes dont matter- it is what may be lurking inside the flukes that is the risk.

My point was- be especially aware of coho salmon. Take it or leave it...

Respectfully,
Matt

Geemo · 09-14-2006, 01:57 PM

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Tuna + Dog = bad?

Now you know your dog will live after eating the tuna, here's a new equation.

Tuna + Dog = BAD Dog!

I'm glad your dog will be okay.

Geemo

Tower Todd · 09-14-2006, 06:52 PM

Will it have the same effect on the pesky neighbor cats? Here kitty kitty.... I've got a treat for you. Actually the cats are o.k. until I wash my boat or truck. I can live with prints on the truck, but on my boat........

Tower Todd

crabbait · 09-15-2006, 05:50 AM

Vulpinus is correct. I didn't feel the need to get into the "parasite of a parasite" intricacies, but he is correct.

Antibiotics are the cure and the vet is where to get them. Don't wait until the dog is sick. Get the meds and have them on-hand for administration at the first symptom. If you wait until the dog is vomiting it is very difficult to keep the pill in them!

PIR8 Hook · 09-16-2006, 06:19 AM

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Silver salmon=dog salmon? I believe you misunderstood the old timer, what he actually said was chum=dog salmon since the natives in Alaska used to feed them to the dogs.

Also remember that the Innuit,(Eskimo) sled dogs were pretty closely related to their wild cousins, wolves, and I believe that they dried the fish to preserve it through the winter.