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We use lots of oil because the oil industry wants it that way. The Ronald Reagan energy policy ensured that..
This country is run by and for oil companies.
It is not consumer demand it's the killing and very slow revival of alternatives..

We should have been off oil 20 years ago.

In some instances accidents CANNOT happen.

Some things are more valuable than the stupid economy.. Ohh and the jobs? They are temporary. How are things going in the oil industry in the Dakotas now? Falling apart from what I hear..
 
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People use oil. It needs to move from where it is pumped to where it is used. The methods of transporting oil is limited and accidents happen. If you don't want oil spills, convince everyone to stop using oil and oil byproducts - like asphalt. It will stop being produced and your fear will subside.

I now return you to your communal hand wringing.
 
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But do those trains run right through the middle of your town? Or are those of us that work within a few yards of the tracks just collateral damage? Seriously, what if that train had derailed going through Cascade Locks instead of going by Mosier? My opinion is that these trains are too dangerous to be moving through any town.
 
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Because outside of a pipeline, trains are the most efficient transportation method we have. You shipping the product for micro pennies per gallon. Besides its not like we see a wrecked semi every other day. You want to add another 100's semis to I-84?


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And the southern rout goes along the Sacramento River. However, there was a set of tracks that went from Reno to KF (Nevada-California-Oregon RR) and on to Portland, unfortunately it goes alongside Upper Klamath Lake, Salt Creek and the Willamette River.

"blue shark" said:
Why are we sending this oil by rail? And not by a pipeline?
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Warren Buffet and the environmental movement are to blame.
 
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"blue shark" said:
Who on this thread has take oil out of their life?
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You can't take oil out of your life. It isn't possible. You would have to stop using plastics, stop eating, and stop wearing clothes. fuel is just a small part of what we do with petroleum. Fertilizer, fabrics, even your chewing gum is petroleum based.

The problem with the oil trains is the housing that is along the tracks in Vancouver and other towns along the route. Its Russian roulette moving trains through that rail corridor.

There are more pipeline ruptures and accidents per year than oil train derailments, you can spend a few minutes on wikipedia and get lists by year for each. Common sense would say we do what we can to make both as safe as possible.
 
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On the plus side, the fire is out now. Sounds like they have the booms out to help prevent too much damage to the river. Could be argued that any damage is too much.

In respect to the train routes, the oil trains that come past Portland are headed to the Wauna mill. They cross load onto ships for final transport. They are only capable of a single train per week there though hence why they have been pushing for the same kind of terminal in Vancouver. The railway to Wauna mill is limited as far as the number of unit trains that can come through since they have direct impact as they run through Scapoose and St Helens. Lot of people are not aware of this particular. A number of the trains turn away from the gorge and go straight to the refineries up in the Sound.
 
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caster79 said:
In respect to the train routes, the oil trains that come past Portland are headed to the Wauna mill. They cross load onto ships for final transport. They are only capable of a single train per week there though hence why they have been pushing for the same kind of terminal in Vancouver. The railway to Wauna mill is limited as far as the number of unit trains that can come through since they have direct impact as they run through Scapoose and St Helens. Lot of people are not aware of this particular. A number of the trains turn away from the gorge and go straight to the refineries up in the Sound.
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I'm sorry but the Georgia-Pacific Wauna paper mill does not transfer oil from rail to ship. I don't know where you got that information. Ships don't even dock at Wauna, only barges and they are being filled with paper products.
 
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