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Old 07-28-2006, 10:23 AM   #1
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It's amazing all the stuff that you wouldn't even have considered until you start readling a bit. I'm wondering about off shore issues like being "seen" by other vessels - either visually or by radar. What do some of you do/use to add extra radar reflectivity to your boats. I have 8' antennae - one for VHF and the other for FM radio. They make nice flag/burgee masts too. But I'm wondering what I could add to the top, if anything, that could add reflectivity without interfering with reception. Or am I off the plank on this one?

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Old 07-28-2006, 10:28 AM   #2
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CrF,

They make radar reflectors for exactly this application.

Here's a link to a previous discussion Radar reflecting flags
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Old 07-28-2006, 10:58 AM   #3
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It's amazing all the stuff that you wouldn't even have considered until you start readling a bit. I'm wondering about off shore issues like being "seen" by other vessels - either visually or by radar. What do some of you do/use to add extra radar reflectivity to your boats. I have 8' antennae - one for VHF and the other for FM radio. They make nice flag/burgee masts too. But I'm wondering what I could add to the top, if anything, that could add reflectivity without interfering with reception. Or am I off the plank on this one?

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I'm sure you'll get some stuff on radar reflectivity, but Antenna's should not be used as flag poles. If you want to fly a flag off an antenna, please pick one that you do not transmit on!

Adding something to the top of the antenna - watch out especially if it is made out of metal as it can effect the 'tuning' of the antenna.
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Old 07-28-2006, 10:59 AM   #4
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These things are hard to palce on a power boat. They work great on Snailboats where you can put them on a stay. I'd love to have one. I'm thinking of just stashing it in the flybridge under the helm. Radar energy passes through fiberglass like it isn't even there so the reflector should work find just rolling around on the floor! :grin:
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:38 PM   #5
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... but Antenna's should not be used as flag poles. If you want to fly a flag off an antenna, please pick one that you do not transmit on!
Explain please. I have plastic burgee clips for my attenae - that's the application they are sold for - and a cloth flag....a varily small one at that. So, I'm not sure what the problem would be. Enlighten me, please.

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Old 07-28-2006, 01:01 PM   #6
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Well, I'm not the radio man that Stickfish is, but I tried (tied) my burgee to my antenna for the first time last trip. No more.

It didn't seem to cause any trouble, but it sure made the antenna shake and rattle. I consider my radio one of my most important life-lines, and watching the antenna vibrate because of the burgee was not a comforting sight.

I recommend using a burgee staff or at least something that isn't mission critical to your trip.

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Old 07-28-2006, 01:09 PM   #7
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Plastic clips and cloth flag would probably be fine - as long as there isn't any metal you should be ok as far as the RF function of the antenna. Metal attached to an antenna or in the antennas near field can couple with the antenna even with out being connected to it. For instance my HF antenna in the backyard couples to the verticle run of the AC wire in my house on 14mhz approximately 20 feet away - causes the CO detector plugged in at the top of the verticle run to spazz out - also causes grief with the resonant point of the antenna ever so slightly changing its radiation pattern and feed point imepdance.

Next the additional weight of the flag while itself isn't much - wind adds much more weight to it via the drag created. Now flexes in a different location than originally designed - shake your antenna hear that rattle - that is the element of your antenna rattling around inside the antenna - the feed point is only assembled with tin based solder - the pic below is of the feedpoint of a Shakespeare 5206 (this isn't a galaxy antenna and now you see why if it doesn't say galaxy on it don't buy it).



Another dog used used this antenna for a flag pole - than after a while wondered why his radio didn't work too well - feedpoint became damaged and the antenna no longer worked on the Marnin VHF band. While a galaxy might take more abuse since it is assembled from copper pipe it is still only soldered together with tin solder like a plumbing joint.

Call me overly cautious, but that antenna may make the difference someday - go ahead put it on your FM antenna at least if that one breaks you'll only miss the news or the music.

If you want an empty 5206 radom to use as a flag pole I got one in the storage area.
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:17 PM   #8
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Excellent info! Thanks!!!
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:45 PM   #9
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I installed the Tri lense just for this purpose. Also the aluninum disc that is manufactured for this purpose works well.
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