Double Dipping

SamBen · 07-25-2006, 05:19 AM

I would like to know:

If I catch 2 salmon in the ocean, tag them and take them home, then come back and go out in the ocean and catch 2 more on the same day is this legal?

Salmon (coho)closes on Monday night and due to bad weather I have not been out and or had no success so far for salmon. Would like to put 3 or 4 in the freezer for the winter.

Any input would be appreciated. Weather looks a little sporty at this point for the weekend so this might be a mute point anyway.

Still waiting for tuna weather.
tight lines

retaliate · 07-25-2006, 05:24 AM

NO!

Mr. Fisherman · 07-25-2006, 05:28 AM

Not just NO!

namu mac · 07-25-2006, 05:38 AM

One limit per day-2 days limit in possesion.

Ride Red · 07-25-2006, 07:08 AM

StickFish · 07-25-2006, 07:09 AM

All the kidding aside - think of it like this - how would you record the fish on your tag?

CAPT KUJO · 07-25-2006, 07:42 AM

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I would like to know:

If I catch 2 salmon in the ocean, tag them and take them home, then come back and go out in the ocean and catch 2 more on the same day is this legal?

Still waiting for tuna weather.
tight lines

If you tag them, your tag will reflect the day you caught the 1st 2. Take them home and stay home. Go for 2 more and get caught, YOU"LL BE SORRY...it's not worth it. And believe me many of the "salty dogs" would report you in a country heartbeat! There is always next year!

CAPT KUJO

SamBen · 07-25-2006, 09:23 AM

It was a question, so that I could be more informed.
I was confused by the 2 daily limits in possession verbage.
Thank You for the responses.

CAPT KUJO · 07-25-2006, 10:08 AM

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It was a question, so that I could be more informed.
I was confused by the 2 daily limits in possession verbage.
Thank You for the responses.

Sorry...let me clerify...two daily limits in possession, mean if you catch fish on Tuesday, tag them and have them in your cooler on the beach and then go out Weds and catch two mor and have them in your cooler, you now have the "daily limits" and two of those limits in your possession. So when you return to the valley, with 4 fish in your cooler and you get stopped on I-5, with those 4 fish. Your tag will reflect 2 limits in possession.\\

CAPT KUJO

Wyocowboy · 07-25-2006, 01:50 PM

Lets go another senario, you go out on an overnight trip and you caught your limit the first day and second limit the second day. You would have four fish in the boat. Would that be legal

retaliate · 07-25-2006, 02:21 PM

You would be asking for a ticket if you did, there would be no way to prove you caught 2 fish the day before.

MacFish · 07-25-2006, 02:45 PM

That would actually be two daily limits in possession and the proof of the date they were caught would be your tag

royalfish · 07-25-2006, 02:55 PM

There were a few boys in Chinook Wa last year that wish they had taken their prior days limit off the boat. They had cleaned and tagged the previous day's limit and put them on ice in the cooler onboard the boat. Upon landing the next day, again with another limit, they got checked and they all wrote big checks to the state of washington and had no fish to show for it

. Officer said he had no way of knowing if they caught them all in the same day.

Wonder how that fish would have tasted

MacFish · 07-25-2006, 03:05 PM

I don't know the regs for Washington, but if they have a 2 day possession limit like Oregon, it wouldn't take much of a lawyer to get that one thrown out, if the fish were properly tagged etc.

fishboys · 07-25-2006, 04:55 PM

Could a guy go out and get 25 tuna and sleep out there then get another portion of the second limit?? Seems to me you should be innocent until proven guilty, Not the other way around

Salty Walty · 07-25-2006, 05:41 PM

It would not be advisable not to have more than 1 Daily limit in your posession while on the water. This topic is bordering on the promotion of breaking game laws and or trying to find ways of getting around these laws. Neither one are acceptable on ifish. Thank you, Walter

fishboys · 07-25-2006, 05:54 PM

I am in NO WAY trying break any law, they run 36 hour tuna trips in Oregon and 7-10 day trips out of California don't they? Is it legal to spend the night on the ocean and have 2 limits aboard your vessel A pretty valid question I think

Paddler · 07-25-2006, 06:00 PM

I disagree. On a multi-day trip you should be able to catch a limit on two days, and keep both to comprise your possession limit. I don't think keeping two daily limits with you is violating the letter or spirit of the law, so long as the daily limits are caught on different calendar days. I don't commit, endorse or tolerate game law violations, but this doesn't sound like one to me.

I think the officer should be able to tell if you've been out on a multi-day trip, and should act accordingly. I'd fight that ticket tooth and nail. I'd be interested in what the official policy of the F&G is on this issue.

Popeye · 07-25-2006, 06:02 PM

I'm not an expert, but to try to answer your question, I believe it states that a "limit" is what is landed on "State land". I could be wrong, but I believe this to be true.
Therefore, a "Limit" would have to come back to port?

Just tryin' to help.

Mark Mc · 07-25-2006, 06:06 PM

1) Walter, take the second "not" out of your sentance.

2) Fishboys...that works in Washington since there is currently no limit on tuna. However it doesn't work in Oregon, which has a 25 fish limit. So if you are talking about Oregon, you can not come back to the dock with more than 25 per person, no matter how many days you were out.

Now, if some new agreement / process was started with ODFW to grant a permit for a specific period (say a 2 day trip) to allow for 2 limits to be landed, well that would be different. Feel free to propose it at an ODFW Commission meeting.

p.s. This is the classic thread where the arguement is about "what makes sense", but the reality is that the enforcement perspective over-rules. If you really have a stick up your hiney about this, you need to talk to the OSP & ODFW...not ifishers.

Jeff P · 07-25-2006, 07:56 PM

Fishboys,

Good question. The answer to your question about the 7-10 day trips gets to the heart of the original question. These trips obviously do not "land" the daily catch at the end of each day.

I do not have the answer to your question. Perhaps someone else on this board does.

Walter, I think this is an innocent thread. Game laws are confusing at best. Clarity on those laws was the intent of the original question. The fact that others made the leap to implied game violation does not change the original intent.

Uglygreen · 07-25-2006, 08:05 PM

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Lets go another senario, you go out on an overnight trip and you caught your limit the first day and second limit the second day. You would have four fish in the boat. Would that be legal?

Yes it is totally legal. Both for salmon, crabs, steelhead, tuna, whatever... anything but halibut. Most often it is useful when going night crabbing (which is legal BTW) and getting one limit before midnight and one limit after midnight. Same in Washington where night fishing for salmon / steelhead is legal (in some places) and you can fish and catch and keep one limit before and another after midnight on certain rivers. Additionally interesting is that outside 3 miles (limit of state waters) there is no federal regulation regarding fishing hours. Past 3 miles the Ocean is open 24 hours a day. Ever wonder if coho or tuna will hit a glow hoochie at night? Trust me, they will.

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You would be asking for a ticket if you did, there would be no way to prove you caught 2 fish the day before.

Thats not correct, as I have done so many times with crab and a few times with salmon. You have to prove nothing, It is the officer that has to prove that all 4 fish were caught on the same day if he wants to write a ticket. I have been checked returning to the dock with 2 properly tagged daily limits and never had a problem.

- Brad

retaliate · 07-25-2006, 08:49 PM

True, I also got away with this a couple year's ago, I had to stay another nite...cause I left my camera, & knive's in the fish cleaning station at Depoe Bay, & it was locked up, I forgot I had 2 fillet Salmon in the cooler in my boat, After I retreived my Camera, & Knive's, I went out by myself & caught 2 Salmon within 1 hr, & returned, I was the first boat in, a State Trooper approached me, & wanted to see my fish as I pulled up to the fish cleaning station, no problem I held them up guttted, but still whole, then he wanted to see inside my cooler...oop's 4 fillet's in the cooler also, I explaned what happened, showed him my tag, I guess it was obvious, since 2 fish were fillet, & 2 were whole,& fresh, so he was totally understanding, & let me go with a warning, but he also explained, he could have given me a ticket. I'm reading the reg's now, & on page 11 under possesion limit it say's "1 daily limit on the vessel" So it's up to the Officer if he want's to give you a ticket, It's aslo up to the Judge to throw it out, if you get a ticket. So take a chance if you want, but It's not worth it IMO.

Uglygreen · 07-25-2006, 09:06 PM

Well I guess my 2006 regulations read different than yours, cause on page 6 it says:

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Possession Limit:

Maximum number or amount of a type of fish or shellfish that a person may lawfully possess in the field or forest, or in transit to the place of permanent residence. The possession limit is: 2 daily limits for all species, including jack salmon except 1 daily limit for abalone, 1 daily limit on the vessel or two daily limits on land for Pacific halibut, <font color="red"> and no possession limit for adult salmon, steelhead, or sturgeon. </font> Anglers are restricted to 1 daily catch limit and 1 annual catch limit from the Columbia River, even if licensed in Oregon and Washington.

2006 Oregon Sportfishing Regulations

- Brad

Paddler · 07-25-2006, 09:31 PM

Sounds like two daily limits for a multi-day trip will fly. It should. I don't want to break game laws, and I don't get the sense that anybody else here on ifish does, either.

At the end of the day, I want to feel good about what I've done in the field or on the water, and enjoy what I have harvested. We had walleye with minced garlic and lemon and butter sauce tonight. Legally harvested, of course. I think that most people feel the same, and breaking games laws isn't consistent with our approach.

The original question was about catching two daily limits the same day, and I assume he meant the same calendar day. That is clearly illegal, and must not be done.

retaliate · 07-25-2006, 09:45 PM

You could be right!, or this could be a mistake, or a lack of a clear defination of weather you can have more than 1 daily limit on the vessel...cause what's going to stop a person from catching 4 fish or more in 1 day, & recording them on previous day(s) on his tag?

Billfisher · 07-25-2006, 10:30 PM

As for bringing more than 25 Tuna in, who in their right mind would want to ice, cark, and process 25 Tuna?!

I'll stick to the usual 16-12 (per person), thank you very much!

Interesting thread, though.

fishboys · 07-26-2006, 12:51 AM

Not me, 25 tuna would take me a week to cark. By the time I was done the first ones would have gone bad. It was simply a question. I dont even have a boat and have never done a over nighter on the ocean and dont have plans to anytime soon. But thanks to Pilar I will own a boat that will hunt tuna.

Wyocowboy · 07-26-2006, 05:59 AM

My original question was not addressing breaking or skirting the law. Those that feel a skirting or somehow a breaking of the law must have somewhat of a guilty conscience.I am running a trawler (slow 8 knots)and will be going for tuna overnight as there would not be much fishing time if I went out 40 miles and back in on the same day. I was planning on dropping some lines for salmon on the way out and also on the way back in.

flapbreaker · 07-26-2006, 06:34 AM

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My original question was not addressing breaking or skirting the law. Those that feel a skirting or somehow a breaking of the law must have somewhat of a guilty conscience.I am running a trawler (slow 8 knots)and will be going for tuna overnight as there would not be much fishing time if I went out 40 miles and back in on the same day. I was planning on dropping some lines for salmon on the way out and also on the way back in.

I don't think anyone was referencing your question but rather the original poster's question since he wanted to harvest two days limits on the same day.

Paddler · 07-26-2006, 07:21 AM

I was referring to SamBen's original question.

Wyocowboy, what can you tell us about your boat? Any pictures? I don't think most ifishers run that type.

MacFish · 07-26-2006, 08:30 AM

Possession limits shouldn't be looked at as a loophole, they should be recognized as the part of the law that lets us have fishing trips that last longer than one day.

Chrome Bumper · 07-26-2006, 08:45 AM

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Well I guess my 2006 regulations read different than yours, cause on page 6 it says:

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Possession Limit:

Maximum number or amount of a type of fish or shellfish that a person may lawfully possess in the field or forest, or in transit to the place of permanent residence. The possession limit is: 2 daily limits for all species, including jack salmon except 1 daily limit for abalone, 1 daily limit on the vessel or two daily limits on land for Pacific halibut, <font color="red"> and no possession limit for adult salmon, steelhead, or sturgeon. </font> Anglers are restricted to 1 daily catch limit and 1 annual catch limit from the Columbia River, even if licensed in Oregon and Washington.

2006 Oregon Sportfishing Regulations

- Brad

2 daily limits in possesion in the feild, so a 2 day tuna trip would allow you 50 fishys each.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

Chrome Bumper · 07-26-2006, 09:09 AM

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There were a few boys in Chinook Wa last year that wish they had taken their prior days limit off the boat. They had cleaned and tagged the previous day's limit and put them on ice in the cooler onboard the boat. Upon landing the next day, again with another limit, they got checked and they all wrote big checks to the state of washington and had no fish to show for it

. Officer said he had no way of knowing if they caught them all in the same day.

Wonder how that fish would have tasted

Regs say one limit on board in the Columbia. Were they fishing in the columbia at buoy 10?

And to respond to the original question, you may take one daily bag limit per day, not two.

cougfan · 07-26-2006, 09:31 AM

Here's the rules as stated in the Washington regs and it's pretty clear to me. The first line states you can only possess 1 limit aboard your boat in fresh form(Fish or shellfish that are refrigerated, iced,salted, or surface glazed) and the next line, Salmon, says you could possess 2 limits as well as an additional 40 frozen or processed.(Fish or shellfish that have been subjected to heat including kippering, smoking, canning,and boiling).

Possession Limits

MARINE AREAS 1-6: Anglers aboard a boat may only possess one daily limit of fish or shellfish in fresh form.

SALMON - Two daily limits of fresh SALMON. An additional 40 pounds of salmon may be possessed in a frozen or processed form.

TROUT - Two daily limits of hatchery steelhead. Statewide annual limit 30 hatchery STEELHEAD.

STURGEON - Two daily limits in any form. Statewide annual limit 5.

BOTTOMFISH - Two daily limits in any form.

HALIBUT - Two daily limits in any form, except only one limit while aboard the fi shing vessel.
For HALIBUT caught in Canadian waters, daily
limit is 2, possession limit is 3.

TUNA AND MACKEREL - No possession limit.

SHELLFISH - One daily limit of fresh SHELLFISH. Additional SHELLFISH may be possessed in a frozen or processed form. See
page 122 for Shellfish/Seaweed rules and page
123 for the shellfi sh health advisory.

FORAGE FISH (HERRING, ANCHOVIES,
SARDINES, SAND LANCE and SMELT) -
Two daily limits in fresh form. Additional FORAGE FISH may be possessed in frozen or processed form.

OTHER MARINE FISH - One daily limit in any form.

Paddler · 07-26-2006, 10:03 AM

So it is clearly illegal to catch and keep two daily salmon limits in those areas of Washington even on a multi-day trip. Too bad, but I can see their point of view. Allowing this practice would make for an enforcement nightmare. It's okay, though, as we don't go out overnight for salmon anyway.

MacFish · 07-26-2006, 10:04 AM

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Wyocowboy · 07-26-2006, 03:36 PM

In reference to Paddler's post, I have not figured out how to paste pictures on the board yet but the boat is a 45 foot pilothouse trawler with twin diesels and cruises at 8 knots so I ride in comfort but not fast.

Paddler · 07-26-2006, 04:26 PM

I'd like to see it, and hear more about it. I've wondered about a live-board vessel for summers. Can you email me the pictures and give more details?

Popeye · 07-26-2006, 04:27 PM

Email them to me....I'll post'em for ya.